max writes on the Defending Denial post:
“Not snooping seems reasonable; I try to practice that myself (as part of the Golden Rule), but sometimes the alarm is triggered and the defense grid goes up.”
I read that and realized in the same circumstance my defense grid goes down, in effect flooding the person.
It is a Saturn Neptune defense.
What does your “defense grid” look like, how does it function? Where is Saturn in your chart?
and btw max, sorry your posts keep hitting the spam filter. I took 5 or 6 out of there today, no idea why. 🙁
I don’t need to snoop (not trying to sound sanctimonious). I figure out what I need to figure out, and when? My Saturn’s in a Grand Fire Trine with Neptune and Venus/Mars conjunction. (4th/8th/12th).
Even when I found out my ex had cheated on me, it gave me a blessed out: the girl he’d cheated on me with was giving me a place to stay and I didn’t like her one bit…found out about the betrayal and was grateful to have a valid excuse.
Oh…and I try to think before acting. Sometimes it works. 😉
Saturn is in Leo, and it is very very very in Leo, it’s also in the 12th house, and I have to literally smack myself around to keep myself from acting like a twat sometimes.
As you, my defenses go DOWN. The worst thing I can ever do to someone is get too honest or intense. I’m a-skeery.
If I can keep my brain in a zone of truth and love, mystical as that may sound, I don’t have to keep my walls up nearly so much. But my Achilles heel is relentless negativity, so I keep those walls in good shape.
and btw max, sorry your posts keep hitting the spam filter. I took 5 or 6 out of there today, no idea why.
Yeah, I kninda noticed; I’m not bothered. I guess we just gotta train the thing to accept quoting like I do.
I read that and realized in the same circumstance my defense grid goes down, in effect flooding the person. It is a Saturn Neptune defense. What does your “defense grid” look like, how does it function? Where is Saturn in your chart?
Hrmm. Well, snoopwise, I avoid violating other people’s privacy. My ex- snooped on me for three years (and I knew it), and it made me a little twitchy. But I did not do the reverse. Later tho, when I finally copped to how extensively she was lying to me, that’s when the alarm bells went off I went and snooped on her. I was basically trying to confirm what I suspected so as to protect my sanity. Once I found what I was looking for, snooping was no longer needed, and I certainly did not like doing it.
Anyways, sometimes your neck itches and you just know that someone has got you lined up in their sights, and it’s time for serious action. (I am being quite literal: I got that feeling once and decided I needed to be flat on the ground right then, and I went with my gut. About the time I was actually hitting the dirt, the bullet hit the tree right about where my head had been. Lucky lucky lucky. Not metaphorical: a real round missed my real head.)
Going back to much more common situations in the ‘real world’, if I get that feeling, I generally decide to be somewhere else in one sense (‘Ok, not talking to you anymore.’) or another (‘I got a feeling this party we’re supposed to go to is going to be a disaster.’). If someone starts probing hard with the ‘wrong’ questions, I tend to clam up.
But I have Saturn in Aries in the Sixth and Mars in Cap in the Third.
[‘I would basically never tell anyone about all the crud *I’ve* seen. What would be the point?’]
shut down, cut them off, move on.
not maybe the best idea. i have a bad habit of amputating bits of myself that i let get attached to whoever and i have to go back and find them later, but that’s the immediate instinct.