Who Is Most Intense & Violent – Scorpio Sun, Moon, Or Rising?

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Who is more intense and violent a rising Scorpio or a sun Scorpio? I am a rising Scorpio with a Sun in Gemini and a Moon in Scorpio. I used to have a very bad temper, I have calmed down a lot of the years, but sometimes I still get the urge to strike out.

Curious

Hi, Curious. I don’t think you can judge something like this without considering, Mars.  A Scorpio (Sun or Rising) with Mars in Pisces in the 12th house would use subterfuge as a tactic. Gaslighting and the like.

In contrast, Scorpio with Mars in a Fire sign would fight overtly. Mars in Aries strikes first. Mars in Leo might stage a dramatic battle or fight creatively, etc.

Also, when you’re talking, “cruelty”, then Mars would be involved with Saturn somehow. You get the idea. Intensity and violence take different forms.  Bottom line, when evaluating, Scorpio, check Mars!

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Who Is Most Intense & Violent – Scorpio Sun, Moon, Or Rising? — 24 Comments

  1. I’m a triple conjunction Scorpio with Sun-Venus-Jupiter and Mercury in the sign. Moon in 8th house. My Mars is in Capricorn, as close to the 12th house as you can, without really being there.

    Mars in Capricorn is cold.
    My anger is cold but boil underneath the surface, self destroying me sometimes because I can’t seem to get it all out (12th house play). It just boils up with my Mars square moon, and then erupts when I am finally DONE working to make things better. If I don’t see any improvement and the person just keeps going at it, I either give them a scalding verbal hit (Mercury Scorpio) which either amputate the connection or results in much greater respect and integrity for both of us.

    Capricorn has this “If only I work a little harder” mentality, and that’s perfect for Mars, because he is well suited for this – but when we’re done, we’re DONE.

    My anger is cold, hard – like the Capricorn season or winter earth. That CAN seem a bit cruel I guess?

  2. I also am a Gemini with Scorpio rising – Moon in Pisces and Mars conjunct Venus in Taurus. I had a huge temper as a youngster but have calmed it down. I can give the ‘look of death’ which backs people off considerably. I have burned many a bridge rather than stay in a situation where I have to fight. My intuition is strong and have learned to trust it completely and seem to know when I need to walk away.

  3. I have Scorpio rising and Mars in Aries. I have a lot of Pisces so I don’t usually fight, but when I do, I am direct and don’t play games.

  4. I have Scorpio Moon conjunct Mars and Saturn and Pluto in Scorpio too.
    I can say that at early age I’ve attracted violence also permanent intentions of suicide any time I dont find sense in humanity (Saturn and Pluto in 9th). But at that age and so many years of digging in my own issues and after such an extreme experience I pogressed the quality of these planets in something extremely positive and helping others find the root of their issues. So Scorpio in my oppinion cannot just be set in frames this or that, and violence dont forget is just a piece of negative energy not a permanent attitude. For me the degree of violence has one reflection and power for others the degree is different.

  5. I would never consider myself physically violent (I was the one abused). But, I can strike with words that devastate. Pluto Rising in Scorpio. My Mars is in Gemini opposite Saturn.

      • As for Mars/Saturn. Yeah, I’ve seen pissed off Mars/Saturn people. It’s amazing (not sure if that’s the precise word) how cutting they can be, you almost feel sorry for their victim, even if the victim deserves it.

        I also see a lot of ‘instant karma’ with Mars/Saturn people who do bad to others. I’m think Mel Gibson in this type of case. They don’t really get away with much, at least from my view.

  6. I have a Scorpio Mars in the 4th house. I didn’t like being told what to do by my parents or any one else really. ODD must have been created by those with a 4th house placement. Loving is easy, but with a big demi-god like ego even as a child, it’s hard to listen to others when you doubt them based up what you see and feel.

    I cannot hide my emotions at all, but it takes a bit to really piss me off. My father would say, “put your hands up”, and I knew what that meant every time. I can say that it’s hard to beat a man with 2 high ranking belts in 2 disciplines along with 21 years in the infantry, but I tried even though at times I didn’t ask for it.
    We are much better now. It has allowed for more openness with my emotional history and given more focus and drive. I practice mindfulness and some medication, stretch/yoga and work-out. I must have a physical outlet, and a spiritual one too, where reading and studying religion and participating in discussions regardless of sides chosen. You see, I’m good at confrontation when it’s either physical or mental, such as chess or strategy games. I’ve nationally placed for chess tournaments at 14 and some video games as well. I love games involving in-depth tactics.
    I should also mention my Mars opposes Moon and squares Sun. I cannot tell you how many times I’ve gotten into altercations with random people, or may have started one due to my tone or misreading me. Not being aware of ones own interpretive actions is a hindrance. Still I struggle with this at times.
    I’ve taught at an At-Risk H.S. due to my own history and work background, and it’s paid off in a lot of ways. Still much to learn though.

  7. violence came via aries(sun) with Scorpio rising and Lilith in Aries
    For me,I always will ask
    “When are you born”
    No time for repeats

  8. Hmm – mother dearest who tried to abort me twice then forever told me I was no good & will amount to nothing, has her Moon conjunct Saturn in Scorpio trine Mars conjunct Pluto in Cancer with a Gemini Sun.

    She hated me intensely; her Mars is conjunct my Sun by 4 mins. Did not matter how much I tried nor how hard, nothing would please her so the counsellor I had in my late teens/early twenties told me to stop trying as I was wasting my time.

    In the end, I had to cut ties completely or she would have kept on trying to destroy me. Who needs that in this life?

    • (((Louie2U))), I’m sorry you were treated so poorly. You feel like the counselor’s advice helped you? Late teens seems a bit early to have to make that kind of realization.

  9. Scorpio Sun, Venus, Jupiter, Mercury, Neptune (4 planet Stellium) Gemini Mars square Pluto.

    I haven’t hurt a soul yet! Never in my life…ever once. I have a sturdy Taurus moon and a nurturing Cancer rising.

    If I have to defend myself, I do it with my mouth.

    My DIL is a Scorpio rising conj. Pluto. Lord have mercy…her last go at me ended with me saying….sister girlfriend…you better pack a lunch! She has Mars in Sag. She’s impatient (and so two-faced) but her Mars is pretty harmless. Lets put it this way…she doesn’t scare me in the least. I can say all this and still tell you that while she has been a handful, I do love her.

    • That sounds like a 5 planet stellium to me – the same as I’ve got. Same day too, in 1958, but I’ve got Aquarius rising, in square to that stellium. I think you have a gentler chart with the Cancer rising. I too have never been violent. My tongue can be sharp though. Mercury and Pluto in mutual reception. Mercury in Scorpio. To me the Mars square Pluto is more relentless than violent. I get sick of hearing it associated with violence. Same with Scorpios for that matter.

  10. Scorpio Moon and rising, just one degree apart. Mars in Gemini, 8th house, Pisces Sun. I’m not a violent person. it’s not in my personality at all. I can be harsh with words when really provoked. And my intensity comes up in conversations when I’m discussing something that I really care about. Then I regret what I said, if I was too intolerant to my friends or colleagues. it’ often black and white for me….

  11. Whoa. I have Mars cj Moon at 6*, Mercury at 8*, and Neptune at 10* Scorpio. My Sun is Libra. My sister is Scorpio Sun. She was wicked and cruel to me my entire childhood, and extremely judgmental and destructive and backstabbing(writing letters to the court on behalf of my alcoholic ex saying I was “vindictive” and she recommended that custody go to him.)
    I have never been cruel, underhanded, or mean. Naive, yes. The victim of most of her cruelty, yes. I am intense and intelligent, and generally use my energy in purer activities.

  12. I know someone with Moon in Scorpio square Mars in Leo. Thankfully(?) Mars is in their 12th house. Constant aggression, but thankfully channels the physical energy into sports and workouts. I agree that Mars is important to look at with a personal planet in Scorpio regarding anger.

  13. I’m a rising with a Libra Mars with some favorable aspects…while I feel like I could be a violent person, I try to mitigate my rage with what will get me further/closer to my goals. So if, like, I want to punch my boss, for example, I’d avoid doing that unless I was prepared to go to jail over it. If, however, I’m backed into a corner and my best option is to go at it like a rabid tiger, look out world! My violence HAS been physical in the past, but that’s pretty much as my breaking point. For the most part, my rage is subtle to outsiders. I will (and have) work the long con to get revenge if I’m passionate enough about it. I have some childhood PTSD, so frankly, Libra mars is probably the best placement I could have gotten. With my internal rage, I would probably be serving a life sentence if I had an Aries Mars.

  14. I would say Scorpio Moon.

    Moon is feeling, and let’s face it, Scorpio Moon is/are/has super intense feelings.

    A Scorpio Sun can be softened, and rising is just rising…it is not pure ego or emotion. Yes, rising has influence too, but…I still say Moon.

  15. I am Scorpio November 21, 1964 (don’t know much about charts.) I would fight fiercely and crazy fiercely if someone I love is being hurt. When I am provoked I do get angry, but attacking is not a tactic for me. I prefer peace. As a child and teenager I was physically abused by my brothers and mother. With my brothers, I would get to the point when I would chaotically and haphzardly hit back. With my mother, I never did.

    Am I less of a Scorpio if I am not vindictive, manipulataive, and irrationally angry/violent? Am I less of a Scorpio if I life peace and simplicity? I like Astrology, but at times it can be used to “type” people in ways that are not very rational or fair.

  16. I have found Gemini to rival Scorpio in the tyranny department. After the simple of Taurus the individual of Gemini can be quite ruthless I have found. But as always with Gemini there’s another side, a very sweet one. Actually Scorpio too gas a very loving side.

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