Self-Undoing & The 12th House

Wine is a mockerI just wrapped up a consultation with a gal with a stellium in her 12th house.  She came back asking about “self-undoing”.

The 12th house is associated with self-undoing of any kind. Addiction is a good example of self-undoing. A person exists, “unimpaired”.  They get themselves high as a kite – all kinds of things happen.

There is the depreciation in the moment, but the effects of the drug use are not contained.  You can hurt others, for sure. But I’m talking about the long term affects, which may not reveal themselves for years or even decades to come. 

This is the nature of the 12th house.  It has no boundaries!

If your 12th house is emphasized, you’ve probably had experience with something like this, but not necessarily as the person who causes themselves problems. You might be the person who helps the person who causes themselves problems.

Is the 12th house emphasized in your chart? Tell us about self-undoing.




Self-Undoing & The 12th House — 33 Comments

  1. Now all planets in Cap – my 12th hpuse will soon undo me on 2020. I am as solitary as possible, after qrand disapppointments in my social life while Saturn transited my 11th house. I blocked so many students and friends.
    I have ascendant 5 Aquarius.
    You have quite similar situation, with all these major players in your 12th, dear Elsa?

    • 12th house Virgo with Saturn in AQuarius in 5th…damn. Im nervous. Im trying to head off anything that will undo all starts March of next year. Ill get a taste of it then back into Taurus, then forward for 3 years. NOT looking forward to this.

  2. Hi Alice – I, too, am a 5 degree Aquarius Rising. Yes, I “lost” many local friends and group activities a few years ago due to moving to a new city. Last year was pretty isolating for me, also, until I made the concerted effort to meet new people at church, the grocery store, and at my gym. I’ve enjoyed reshaping (12H Capricorn) my life in this 12th House period of my life and I’ve removed (Saturn) the extraneous. I’m applying hard-earned wisdoms and I’m finally living life on my terms and not someone else’s. Good luck to you!

    • Thank you so much for sharing and suggesstions! I am looking for what is right for me, who am I professionally now after so many years of hard work and research.
      When Pluto will reach 5 Aqua it will be interesting – luckily exact trine to my Sun and IC.
      Just like you I have survived Uranus and Neptune transits on my ASC. I hope I will change again constructively. How these transits were for you?
      With Uranus I made ground-breaking rebellious research. With Neptune I was in rainbow fog of occult and spirituality for very long. Meditated seriously and hard.
      I have Saturn 29 Cancer, Mars 5 Leo and Uranus 3 Scorpio so Pluto and Saturn hit will be a bit hard.

      • Hi Alice! I had to dig out my family calendars to review what I was doing when Neptune and Uranus crossed my ASC.

        Tr Uranus had three Rx periods in 1997 irritating our ASC. The most significant Uranus event was my son’s near fatal accident.

        When Tr Neptune crossed my ASC I seriously began studying photography and built a home darkroom.

        I haven’t thought much about what kind of impact Tr Saturn and Tr Pluto will create once it crosses my ASC. Both transits will be in a separating trine with my natal Sun. I think the effect will be more out-with-the-old and rebirthing a new me! I might be moving since it will be squaring my IC and natal 4H Mars.

        8H Libra Sun 2*; 1H Pisces Moon 9*; 11H Sag Saturn 19*; 4H Gemini Mars 1*; 7H Leo Uranus 15*; 7H Virgo Pluto 3*; 9H Scorpio Jupiter/Neptune conjunction 3*; 7H Virgo Venus 20*; 8H Virgo Mercury 24*.

  3. As I was waking up this morning I had this thought that maybe I should contact Elsa for a consultation regarding my stellium in the 12th house and particularly thought of my “self undoing” tendencies as of late. LOL. Imagine my surprise when I find this post. Ughh…the universe really does have a sense of humor! 😉

  4. Stellium in Pisces and Taurus 12th. My view:

    Self-undoing 1: Smoking too much weed to counter sensitivity counters 3D-development in 3D-world, but is related to:
    Self-undoing 2: Tear down shell of 3D personality to reveal soul self.

    Path toward nr 2 can be hard to decipher. Ultimately I believe all self-undoing functionally relate to nr 2 as its destination.

  5. Sun in 12th. Too much day dreaming, music and astrology. I really need to spend more time in 11th due to my stellium and nth node in Capricorn. Love hiding in my inner sanctuary -12th, too much.

    • I understand that hiding tendency, as I have Sun conjunct IC. Maybe you cant change it just make your time alone more useful for yourself

      • I agree with not changing as we need to look after our emotional well being. I have a strong Saturn in fourth and mars in 10th so this ensures that in between 12th house recreation I am very motivated/hard working with my studies.

  6. I get into trouble when I give people too much credit. I also have too long of a delay between when I see they are trouble and I respond to save myself. I also do the hiding thing, I do it to recharge my batteries. Recently due to autoplay, I heard someone talking about energetically washing yourself clean beneath a waterfall of white light. I have been trying to do that when I feel like I have picked up someone else’s emotions/issues. Sun, Mercury and Mars in the 12th house.

  7. “..recharge batteries”..Yes that’s how I refer to my 12th house time as well. I must try visualising the waterfall of white light, sounds good. In recent years I’ve moved from showers to the bath tub. Aromatic bath oils, water and relaxing music rejuvenates.

  8. It’s only self-undoing because these forces are “spiritual”/subconscious. 12th = Pisces which is complementary to Virgo, the secrets addict. Every psychologist knows (?) that all that’s hiding becomes disease as in dis-ease, discomfort, malady – Healing comes from bringing all the hidden, read subconscious, stuff into the light. Then they’re no longer secrets. No longer in the dark. No longer doing their own thing out of one’s control. No longer self-undoing. Consciousness heals The Truth Shall Set You Free!

    • Love how you’ve articulated the 12th/Pisces. I struggled with how little the internet seems to understand this house as there is often way too much focus on the” undoing” part and not on the “self”. Oxford dictionary defines self as “a person’s essential being that distinguishes them from others, especially considered as the object of introspection or reflexive action”.

      So often with the 12th house we don’t see ourselves or some area in our life that distinguishes us from others very well. Perhaps necessitating a release, possibly ego stripping or “undoing” to reveal/un-hide our essential being. Perhaps the 12th house is better described as “self-awakening”. Whether a person achieves “self-awakening” in this lifetime or not, is a separate topic.

      • Very interesting (and positive) approach to the concept of self-undoing.
        So 12th house doesn’t have to be ALL bad.
        Thanks for this encouraging idea!

        • No houses or planets are evil even though medieval/mid-evil astrology decrees so, they either work for you or against you depending on where you position yourself. For the normal astro unknowing/ignoring people it tends to be true because they precisely ignore what’s going on. People who study astrology have the power to do something about it namely transmute the energy or at least utilize it non destructively. For instance excessive Mars 🔥Fire🔥 may be offloaded at the gym instead of letting it pressure cook and explode in your face by way of being robbed at gun point or stabbed or hurt in a car crash. Mars is known in medieval astrology as malefic. But the great malefic is Saturn. With that one it is really really hard to have it work non destructively. Even trines and sextiles. But it’s possible 🙂

  9. 12H Sun and Mercury in Capricorn…

    Was a high functioning alcoholic for many years and have been in recovery for 19+ years. Addicted to cigarettes for many more years and in recovery for 9+ years.

    I undo my self undoing. 🙂

  10. Sun, Mars, Pluto, and Mercury in my 12th, Virgo.

    Self-undoing….resources and endless work sucked up by ungrateful family, and by a typical workplace that could care less about me or others in my office working 70 hour weeks and skipping vacation time. But, I put a halt on most of this a year ago, with the encouragement of friends and husband. Me first now vs addiction to helping and servitude and trying to please.

    • What if you served a cause you could actually get behind that was actually helping others? Do you find that the “service” tap was never turned off and it was hard to take time for yourself or even see yourself?

  11. Merc, Mars, Ven + Plu in Virgo. 12th house cusp is however Leo. To boot Ven, Mar & Pluto are conjuct!
    Strong leaning towards the spirits, but not in a destructive way – more as a means of escape. Escapism is a big theme! Is escaping destructive??? Wanting to be in an another world?

  12. My 12th contains Jupiter at 24 deg. Cancer and Mars in 1 Leo.

    I see people all around me get “breaks” and I rarely do, even when I’m making an effort to create my own luck. Jupiter is exalted in Cancer, but I can’t help but feel like its 12th-house placement interferes with my ability to catch a break.

    Mars in the 12th? With it being in Leo (I have a boatload in my first house proper), I’m sort of relieved it’s there because it keeps me from being too bombastic. The bad side of it is that I have to watch stuffing my emotions until I explode). I almost immediately get over it, but others don’t.

  13. Here is one of my 12th house experiences. The first time that Saturn transited through my 12th house, I was in the process of obtaining a Catholic annulment and studying for specialty exams. I felt utterly alone. I spent a lot of time contemplating my background and psychological makeup. It dawned on me for the first time that it was not all Mr Terrible’s fault that things ended up the way that they did. I felt that I did not have the luxury of self-pity. I instead focused on both completing the annulment process and on working on my next phase in life.

    • “I felt utterly alone. I spent a lot of time contemplating my background and psychological makeup”

      I felt this way during my moon pluto transit.. usually during Saturn transits i feel like a “loser” and I feel the guilt.. hmm

      I’m having a 12th house saturn transit and doing so little with it i’m a fucking idiot

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