Scorpio: The Least Appreciated Sign In Relationship By Far

scorpionI figured the title would get your attention. Scorpio always gets attention but I really think most miss Scorpio like missing the side of a barn. 8th house types too and I will explain.

Scorpio has and ungodly amount of power. This is why people are attracted (and repelled). They are disturbed.

Scorpio gets you by the balls basically and some people don’t like to admit they have balls so you see the problem.

But even people who like Scorpio or love Scorpio seem profoundly confused and unaware of what they getting from the the bug because the energy is just so hidden. They don’t realize they’re thriving because of the Scorpio in their life. They don’t realize they are being fed at the root and they are thriving because of it.

So scared of the power, they don’t realize it is the Scorpio providing their vital nutrients and consequently there’s no appreciation. Scorpio is the bastard you have to defend against – he or she is going to come in and rape you I guess. Scorpio is the shadow, the thing you want to cut off from and defend against. I see this every day.

I am forever having to tell people what they are getting from the Plutonian in their life – high quality energy. Want a tiger in your tank? Scorpio provides this and hardly anyone recognizes it, so concerned they are that the Scorpio is going to do something nasty.

Are you energized? Are you blooming? Chances are a Scorpio / 8th house type is involved.

I get so sick of hearing what the Scorpio did TO you. Ever think about what they did FOR you? Like maybe brought you back to life for example???

Tell us about your experiences with Scorpio…



Scorpio: The Least Appreciated Sign In Relationship By Far — 337 Comments

  1. My ex is a Scorpio. Sun, Merc, Venus, and Asc.

    What he did for me he did early in the relationship. My mother was dying of cancer when we met, and he made it possible for me to keep her home (thus honoring her wishes) through the end. Hell, he even suggested getting married so she could go at peace that her baby girl wouldn’t be “alone” like she was for so much of her life.

    Although the marriage wasn’t great for a long time, that debt was enormous to me; I stayed longer than was good for either of us because I felt I owed him. We are both in much better places now.

    • Fuck scorpios and their emotional bs. Yours truly: a libra stuck with a scorpio for 5 years. You dont owe him anything… Believe me. Just run as fast as you can from their guilt trips

    • They say the same thing about Taurus. We are the least appreciated sign in zodiac. Scorpio love control. They love arguments all the time. They always want to control everything even your soul! They want full control of your money finance!

    • For some reasons I attract Scorpio. I had 3-4 back to back relationships with them. I can’t never break up with this last one! He’s so confusing and controlling! !!

    • I am sorry to say, this post makes you sound a little selfish in one way or another. Glad you did the right thing though and set him free. I am trying to say it nicely for I too am a Scorpio (female).

  2. First man I ever loved had a Scorpio stellium, including the Sun, and he made me feel that way (energized, etc.).

    However, since some might see that as a biased example, I can add my best friend. She’s actually only a few days older than the first example, so also has that stellium, plus Scorpio rising. She’s not afraid to ask the tough questions in any situation we’re in. She, most importantly, *has my back.* She isn’t afraid of the parts of life most others don’t care to see, works in a hospital for the mentally insane and does a fantastic job.

    I could go on and on about her. She’s the friend I can take anywhere and show off, a friend I know will always be there. We met very randomly – one of those situations where a series of events led us to each other – and I can’t imagine not having her in my life! (Not to say she doesn’t drive me crazy sometimes πŸ˜‰ )

    I know a lot of Scorpios – sister has a Scorpio moon, and she wears it well. Another Scorpio Sun friend of mine is the most loyal person on this earth…

  3. Scorpio exudes energy at all times. They literally provide life support and most are absolutely oblivious.

    As a result Scorpio twists.

    • This actually helps may be !
      Hi I am a Pisces. I had a relationship with a scorpio.
      I am an Indian where cast, religions, traditions,customs are followed till the core. Unfortunately I was told that he couldn’t marry me at first (due to difference in cast),as we really felt in love,later I was told to be practical all the way !!. And obviously its hard for me…we were there was 2 years together.
      in the middle had a gap for 8 months because I tried to run from him due to d fact he was too possessive. I could not run much far..I came back !
      And now I can’t get over him, the sad part is he’s getting married as I was told.
      Scorpions have really get the energy !…I really love him. It’s hard to be practical as a pisces. Scorpions really gets over exes but my love will be burried in his heart. But it will be just burried !!
      he ill move on..make a transformation and change thats what a scorpio does !
      His energy in me makes me feel like. I m in love and want to keep forever in my heart till my last breadth. But feels murdered by him when I feel he will may not be there.

    • As they should. What about when someone shows too much appreciation? Have you seen this? When someone is so obsessed, so consumed, they actually worship. I’ve seen it and I have to say it’s not attractive.

  4. I’ll say on the behalf of Scorpios everywhere, thank you for understanding and writing this! LOL! Very timely.

  5. My good friend is a scorpio. During the obsessive relationship with my ex she was there to tell me i was talking too much about him. It was like a cut to hear it from her. After ranting about it for a bit I realized she was right and called her the next day to meet for brunch. It was after that that I really started to pull my energy out of the relationship – first by simply talking about other things. Other people tried in other ways to get me to pull out but only a scorpio can do it with a quick observation/line.

  6. Ive got a scorpio stellium and Ive always associated with Scorpios. They are the ones who can say something that if anyone else said I would be totally offended, but coming from them it is so stripped of bullshit pretense and steeped in an awareness of what really is for my own good, whatever bomb theyre gonna drop recieves immediate acceptance in the depths of my psyche as the raw naked truth.

  7. I have Venus and Pluto in 8th house! I gueess I have this power and energy …that i dont know about;

    It doesnt make sense… but i dont feel confortable with other Scorpios! I have difficulty to totally trust them! I also feel vulnerable around them! As if they can read me and understand me ..more than anybody else!

    p.s I stilll have many Scorpio friends that i love:)

  8. yes.
    and then they get sick of people coming in like a horde of bloodsuckers for that energy…

    and, yeah, twist. or retreat (if they have 12th house…)

    • This has been very true in my case. Energy suckers can last many years around me, until one day I’ve had enough and my loyalty goes south. I don’t abide narcissists and flakes endlessly either.

  9. i don’t see it with my eighth house, but i might be blind to it. i have neptune aspecting some of that stuff, after all…

  10. Every Scorpio I’ve ever known has been fucked in the head. Emotionally disturbed.

    It’s probably unfair of me to pre-judge the entire sign, but man…I’m cautious around them.

    • Phew… Me too!!!
      What do you do when they decide to go narcasistic & target you?
      When they are control freaks invading your space unwelcome?

      Have a nasty stinger chasing me just because I want her to stop snooping on my life & stop stalking the complex she has one unit in.

      Everyone is scared of her & she runs the complex as if its her god given right.

      The strata management just do whatever she tells them to.
      A troublemaker that doesn’t even live here, she rents here out & causes unrest for all the homeowners & her tenants

      What do I do as I k ow once a Scorpio target need self defends otherwise may as well say good by to any happy life

    • Scorpios are karmic sponges, we take on the pain of others, so yes, we can appear “fucked in the head.” But a big part of it, is that we are cleaning up other people’s emotional/spiritual debris. That said, not all Scorpios are in the same place of spiritual/emotional evolution.

    • I think they are fake, liars when confronted with wrong they’ve done, flaky, envious, stuck up and disgustingly full of shit. They talk shit about all of their friends and think that the meaning of friendship is having someone around to make fun of. They are truly soul-less, dull, boring evil money obsessed people.

      • Gee, so so sorry you have encountered such horrible persons! These types abound and could be born under any and all astrological signs. I have Sun, first house (Ascendant) plus five planets in Scorpio and possess NONE (repeat NONE) of these qualities.

        • Hi I’m ALICE AND I’m a true true Scorpio born October 29 1973 It’s true I’m married 20 years to a Sagittarius I don’t love I’m sorry I never married a cancer but this cancer male who I should have been with married the wrong Scorpio she is nothing like me she’s born November 10 and 4 years later their divorced and I’m still married to Sagittarius today we win

    • We are mostly disturbed because people have taken advantage of my kindness and passion after so much abuse of course working like crazy this is coming from a Scorpio who has almost lost it

  11. Scorps–They’re sexy, they’re hilariously funny AND witty, did I mention that they’re sexy? Oh, yeah I guess I did…The reason “everyone” has a sad Scorp story is that the big talkers are always the airs and the fires!! Ask an earth or a water, who are sitting there in the corner minding their own business, about Scorps, and the conversation will change. Ok, so Scorps are a little sneaky and hidden agenda-ish but as a Capricorn, I can deal with that. It’s the schizo mind-changing now you see ’em now ya don’t signs (and you know who you are) that I could talk some serious dirt about. Thank you for your Dating a Gemini post btw…

    • LOL, I’m a fire and I’m very vocal, My first boyfriend was a Scorpio and he was GQ handsome, and funny and made good money but he was lethal. He drove me to the point where I wanted to kill myself, He was probably one of them sociopaths. I’m lucky I survived.

  12. hmm I’ve never felt like I have to defend against scorpio. friends have had scorp moon mostly & I married a scorpio.

    maybe my scorpio neptune makes me oblivious, like the fool going to step off the cliff haha.

    scorpio folks have taught me when/how to point my stinger but mostly about regeneration (the phoenix bird thing) it seems like they’ve gone through some shit & deal with it 100% no exception.

  13. The one person in my inner circle who is a Scorpio is able to see through my bullshit very clearly, but never uses it against me. We occasionally have our (serious) issues, but the friendship has staying power because of this amazing and generous energy.

    And while I’m at it: My 8th house sun shines brightest in sitations that cry out for a shedding of secrets. I do not abandon people who are suffering, though sometimes they leave me, and when that happens, I always know–it’s the 8th. It’s a hard sun, but it’s mine.

  14. Great topic! I’ve been thinking about this exact same question lately.

    I’ve allways shied away from Scorpio’s. Too bloody demanding. Which is something that still bugs me about them, driving my Aquarius Sun MAD. And yes, some of them can sting pretty mean…

    But the longer i live, the more i tend to gravitate toward Scorpio types, slowly learning to understand them, and learning FROM them (i’ve also got an 8th house Sun, with Uranus and my NN in Scorpio, so i guess i need the example).

    They’re he best hosts in the Zodiac, for one thing. They go at grest length, unobtrusively, to feed you a great meal and make everybody comfortable. This seems to be something that comes naturaly.
    Every single Scorpio Sun i know (family and friends) possesses this quality in one way or another.

    There’s also something sweet about them, as if they’re feeling helpless being as intense as they are.
    I know now that their demanding ways – annoying as they may be – are a result of their own deeply rooted loyalty.

    One of my Scorpio Sun friends radiates a warmth, heat almost, that’s so soothing and nurturing that nothing else is needed. I don’t know if she’s aware of this, i suspect she isn’t, but i love her for that.

  15. luci…
    apologies if this is blunt, but…
    everyone is fucked in the head, one way or another. scorpios tend to have more incentive to do something about it than others. and they learn from that… which tends to make them dangerous to people who don’t.

    OK. well. this is my fragment of the big stained glass window of reality

    • Thank you. This is so true. I am pretty much forced to do something about as a Scorpio Rising, but no one else seems to care to do anything on their end and I often get to hold the baggage of that for others. Done with that! I want to find people who can understand my intensity and who deal with their own shadow shit and not make me responsible for it. I feel like I am natural karmic lesson teacher at times and it sucks.

      • Yes and yes, Scorpio Rising also. Carry your own weight and and don’t be responsible, honest and loyal, loving and kind.

  16. My mother (a scorpio) made me aware of this energy and am quite uncomfortable with it some of the times. i have venus, mercury and pluto in scorpio, in the 12th house. I’m not really sure how that energy manifest in me. But i do feel like sometimes that energy is too overwhelming on others (and myself) if it does come out so i try to repress it. But that’s not even possible right? Can you ever repress an energy? It’ll just come out in other ways i guess…

    • As a scorp, (that has mived pairings from libra to cancer to pisces) i’ve learned that repressing energy can cause illness from within.
      The best possible solution is to harness your energy for good and let it shine as bright as possible.
      Just becareful of those that get addicted and those that deny it all.

  17. My boyfriend has Scorpio rising and an 8th house Mercury, Sun, and Saturn, and I credit him with saving my life. We are going to spend the week with my friend and her Scorpio rising-Sun-node-Mercury-Uranus husband, and I expect it to be very re-energizing.

  18. I thought of more Scorpio energy infusion – my mom (Pisces) has a long, long-time friend who has always sort of sustained her, doing things for her, checking on her, helping her. She’s a Scorpio. I have a friend whose mom takes care of an ailing friend as well, spending every day with her and supporting her with her medical stuff – just checked: Scorpio.

  19. Jessica – yeah. I have a Scorpio astrologer pal who checks on me. She just… checks on me.

    9 times out of 10 – nothing.
    1 time out of 10 I hit her with a blast from hell.


  20. I bet she can handle that blast from hell.

    I love how the Ads by Google links on the top right include “Why Scorpios are Jerks” hahaha. I’m sure there’s one for every sign.

  21. I am an Aquarius Sun too, but I rather like Scorpios, and I have a few in my life…
    all sun scorpios… my dad, he’s always been a rock, and though he’s not demanding… I’ve always strived to make him proud.
    Then there’s is my baby girl (6 mos old). She’s teaching me how not to be so emotionally detached (as aquarians can sometimes be)
    my newer friend I met in knitting, well she just cracks me up!

  22. Elsa,

    Excellent topic. You quite right in your assessment. One of my best friends (Scorpio sun) would not only give you her last dollar, but borrow a dollar and give it to you as well with no regard for the consequence to herself.

    My humble observation… (trying not to be too esoteric)

    I distinguish between low-level, unevolved Scorpios and those with a spiritual purpose
    whether they’re aware of it or not. The Sarah McLachlan song ‘Building a Mystery’ perfectly describes the former and her song ‘Fumbling towards Ectasy’ and ‘Possession’ reasonably describes the relentless, fearless quest of the latter.

    A Scorpio’s deep urge is to find the Infinite. Touching infinity involves dying to the known and rebirth to something unknown. Figuratively speaking they’re always looking for a good day to die. The Native American Sun Dance is an excellent example of this Scorpion quest. To a degree, Scorpio’s energy is a result of their spiritual quest.

    Invariably I sense a Scorpio upon first encounter and immediately apply this filter…
    are they staring into the Universal abyss, toes to the precipice? If so you can trust them with your life, because they’d unflinchingly give you theirs. If not, turn away for they’re destructive.

    If you’re facing an Alamo, there’s no one better to press your back against.

  23. Huh. This is interesting. I have only two very close scorpio sun friends – in general scorpio suns seem to be difficult for me but the moons and rising are abundant in my life.

    The scorpio examination (lol) gets interesting when I look at my family. I have a scorpio uncle who threatens to kill people and has serious drug/alcohol issues. I have a scorpio aunt who is very spiritual and who walked away from some very bad religious history to great benefit for her family and she is ALWAYS pleasure to be around (one of my favorite aunts) and then there is the other scorpio aunt who is commonly referred to in the family as an emotional vampire. She doesn’t just shred secrets she uses peoples secrets to shred people and families and relationships (her son will not have contact with her anymore – grown and married as he is).

    So from one family (with a strong water/earth signature) I can see different paths a scorpio sun can take towards expression and life.

    And then there is my mom – scorpio moon. She feels everything and is constantly the “support” within the family. It drains her physically and emotionally. It is hard to watch but she loves her sisters and brothers no matter how poor their choices are and continues to listen to very painful things even though it becomes a physical illness in her body in response because of the stress.

  24. I am very drawn to Scorpio types. I have a 7th house Pluto in Libra. Scorpio is in my 8th house, with Uranus aspecting my venus, moon and mars.

    I’m wondering if what draws me to Scorpios is because I’m a very deep, intense person myself. I have a 12th house Aries sun and I could not help but be drawn to the deep and unknown. I scare most people, but for some reason scorpios and pisces have never once shied away from this intensity.

    My SO is Scorpio and it’s been a year since we startyed dating. I’ve never been so happy πŸ™‚

  25. I don’t know about this. The Scorpio I dated for about 5 months didn’t tell me he was married (separated) with 3 kids until about a month in, all he did was talk about how he hated his, not wife (a Pisces) but ex-girlfriend (who is also a Scorpio, btw), cried A LOT (always about himself and his situations), frequently “borrowed” money from me, and ended up cheating on me (good thing I am a good spy and caught him) which I caught and which is why I ended it for good!

    This guy has Mars conjunct Neptune and Pluto conjunct Venus – make of that what you will. I could not get rid of this guy – I had to change my e-mail address and get a new phone number. But, it takes two to tango and I thought I “understood” him (Aquarius rising, Moon in Libra, Pluto in the 8th) and would go back out with him after talking to him and thinking “I am overreacting, nobody’s perfect”. The problem was – the guy was super smart and intellectual and that is THE most important thing to me (Mercury in the 7th, Gemini 5th House). It wasn’t even the sex that was keeping me, it actually wasn’t that good at all. I wasn’t into pain, but I’m sure his Scorpio ex was! We were mismatched in that area and I told him several times, I am more sensual (Sun in Leo) and he is more sexual (Sun in Scorpio). He was wayyyy too sensitive and could not take a joke, I had to walk on eggshells all of the time – hard thing for a Leo with an Aquarius rising to do! It was like I was the man in the relationship – always making the decisions, always paying (says over clenched teeth), always the one consoling and reassuring. It was crazy!

    Needless to say, this experience has really soured me on Scorps.

  26. my boyfriend of 7+ years has moon/venus/neptune conjunct in scorpio. when we first started dating I was in the worst roommate situation of my life…it was hell and I was really depressed about it. His bed was like a piece of heaven.
    I still retreat into that energy and that embrace when the world gets me down and he is always waiting for me. I am sustained by this kind of love.

  27. I found this article to be profound beyond belief. I only have one planet in the 8th house & that’s my Pisces Moon. Up until now, I could never understand why my “emotional displays” were so upsetting to everyone, including myself. Truthfully, I thought any expression of emotions made me “weak.” And I’m a female, where traditionally we’re “allowed” to be the “weepy-ones.” Well, not where I came from. I’ve also got a Scorpio Saturn in the IC, which hasn’t been a lot of fun figuring out & living with, either. It’s true, I don’t care for anyone to fall apart at the seams during times of crises, but to deny or be unable to express oneself ever? I’ve been trying to explain this to others my entire life. My emotions are my emotions & I should be allowed to express them any time I like. I just couldn’t figure out why (until now) when I became angry or cried or was anything other than “reasonable” (my sun,merc,venus are all gemini/11th house)my family, friends & co-workers get rattled beyond belief. I know I don’t get angry that often, so when I do blow, it’s like the preverbial volcano. I do know this placement puts me in the position of armchair psychologist. Others do come to me to talk about their emotional problems; must be that 8th house “sharing”.
    My late husband & our twenty-something son both have Scorpio rising & my son has his Scorpio Saturn conjunct it! (Not to mention his Mars & Pluto in Scorpio) He & I have “power plays” all of the time, but he doesn’t like emotional upsets period, but that may be due to his Aqua Sun Virgo moon as much as anything else. (Too messy & impractical, until he falls in love.)
    I had started dating two years after my husband passed way, but it dissolved due to too much arguing; too much Taurus in bad placements in his chart. Now I’m with a man I met during this same period with a Leo sun Scorpio moon & we are just so much more emotionally stable together. Oddly enough, he was in a relationship with a Leo Sun Aries Moon woman at our 1st meeting. I think Scorpio/8th house/Pluto placements are really misunderstood. It was almost as if we became obsessive-possessive about our relationship (we’re both media specialists who worked on a PR project together)but very loyal to our S.O’s, so no “crossing the border” so to speak. We’d email, talk on the phone, even “gift” one another & keep in touch. We were the 1st to come to one another’s defense if any criticisms were made, in either the professional or social sector. 1st his relationship fell apart & then mine, but it took months afterward for us to do anything about it. We took the time out to reflect on what had gone wrong in those relationships. Anyway, we had another chance to work together & he moved in with me right afterward, with two teenage daughters & two dogs! And no, I’m not a gullible sucker with my Pisces heart & I believe it’s due to the 8th house placement. He’s got his own house nearby which he didn’t feel emotionally comfortable in after the break-up with his ex, so we use it as offices, guest rooms & storage, which is oh-so the “urge to merge”. So I’m not really sure which energy’s at work here, but the more time we spend together, the more “lock a rock” I feel emotionally.
    I really think people need to quit blanket-statementing every sign or placement as one thing or another until they look fully at the natal charts of the people involved. (I think that sounds very Scorpianic) My Pisces moon emotionally enlightens me, while my 8th house placement gives me the power to transform myself & others. Not a bad placement at all.

  28. well holy crap. one thing i love is what he
    (scorpio) has done for me. in all relationships, there are negs and pos. he was more pos, than he will ever know. the amount of healing he has let me feel and do…ah, something almost transcendent. soul to soul. also provided me with more life work. you have to let this one go, if there is love. he has a mind of his own and he needs to expereince this on his own. me la cavo! grazie mille chad

  29. I am a scorpio sun with a leo moon. How can someone be so emotionally aware and secretive yet so flashy. I am the nerd wearing a rainbow stripped suit and pink hair. I am the most feminine macho man ever. people dont know wether to kiss me or kill me. There is enormous, enormous, enormous power being a scorpio that people could never even fathom. altho i would say it sucks

  30. I’m a Scorpio Sun and I’ve always been told that I have an aura about me. I’ve read that Scorpios have 3 totems, the scorpion, the eagle and the phoenix. When I look back I can see when I was just a scorpion, dangerous and seductive. After a while I developed an extremely keen perception but I remained heartless in some peoples eyes. It was my first love, a Capricorn who helped me rise up to be a phoenix. After a relationship that was and still is rocky I was able to die enough inside and I rose again with an ability to empathize with other people and endure almost anything. Now I’m not so much secretive as illusive like one would expect a mythical bird of fire to be. So I just want to point out that even Scorpios who have an aura of fear and awe, are the only signs to have 3 faces and If you stay with us long enough, we transcend into something amazing.

  31. I relate to Jinn (sorry I’m late to this conversation). I have Scorpio Sun, Venus, Mercury, and ummm. . something else I can’t recall. Here’s what it feels like: imagine stuffing the biggest bonfire you’ve ever seen – the kind you can see from miles away – into a postage-sized lot. I’d be interested in knowing if other Scorpios sense that one of their life’s lessons is how to harness this energy, be aware of it, and use it for good rather than evil (I’ve always worn a white hat). I don’t like to tire people out, which is another thing that can happen. I would prefer to have others happy at the added energy, not dread it. Anyone agree?

  32. Thank you for this very insightful article Elsa!I have Scorpio Sun & Mercury. I would like to think my friends can count on me but that is something i cannot assume. I can though give my observations on other scorpios in my life. My first love was a scorpio and somehow we still keep in touch (its been 10 years)- my mother-in-law’s scorpio ex-lover is still in her life and basically “protects” her in her times of need. My mother has a scorpio sun and is definitely the rock in the family. Even though we butted heads when i was younger, she is the parent that stood up for me and there are secrets that passes her observations. I am married to a pisces and we are expecting our first son who is expected in Nov…another scorpio.

  33. My paternal grandmother was a Scorpio (Nov. 17), and she was EXTREMELY private, affectionate and had a wisdom that was ahead of her time. When she gave me hugs, kisses and I-Love-Yous, I felt like I was was being protected as well as loved!

  34. I’ve been “burned” by some Scorpios in my time. But when I look back, I always feel that the situation, however painful, helped me move into a higher and better place. So in the long run, I can’t say that I regret having dealt with these Scorps who caused me trouble. Really, they got me to face myself.

    I’ve also had some Scorpio friends and acquaintances who have really blown me away with the quality of their friendship, their loyalty, their insight, their good energy as Elsa describes it. One of my old Scorp friends from high school recently had a child, also a Scorpio. I’m so proud to see her in her mothering role and just blown away by the way she loves her little daughter.

    Another one of my Scorpio friends who I greatly admire went through some rough times. I dropped everything to be with her in her time of need… there was just no way I was going to let my girl suffer alone and misunderstood.

    Overall, I am pretty infatuated with the sign of Scorpio and dearly love my Scorpio friends.

    When I was a little kid, we had to do some type of creative report for a class, and we had to draw straws for a mythical animal to write about. My animal turned out to be the phoenix. And guess what? My moon is in Scorpio so there you go.

    I don’t have nearly the same appreciation for my Libra or Virgo aspects as I do this special moon. I feel everything extremely deeply and in fact I wish I could control my own emotions better, or should I say rise above them. But alas, that’s a life lesson yet to be learned.

    The poster above me wrote a very sweet tribute to her Scorpio grandma and I can really relate to this feeling of fiercely protective love.

    I do not have a family of my own, but if I did I know I would lay down my life for them, and in fact my Scorp moon feels kind of unfufilled for not having a family.

    I need a place to direct this energy that makes my hair stand on end for any given reason.

    Anyway, viva la Scorpio! My fave sign.

  35. The double scorpio who surfaced…

    I write

    Nice to talk to the sane, it’s like there are about 11 of us left.

    he responds:

    That seems a bit high…

  36. Recently burned by a mega-scorpio – amputated out of the blue -has me feeling sour but I don’t blame scorpio in general. I was swept away by him. He was the most perceptive person I’d ever spoken too probably. I felt he changed my life briefly and I was fed briefly. He showed me what is possible and what I want, briefly. Maybe that was his purpose. To come and show me something — and then disappear.

  37. What a whopping good day for a blog with Elsa. Getting in on the tail of this spin, this Scorpio has loved reading all big arm-filling commentary here. I especially love what Jinn had to say:

    “Now I’m not so much secretive as illusive like one would expect a mythical bird of fire to be. So I just want to point out that even Scorpios who have an aura of fear and awe, are the only signs to have 3 faces and If you stay with us long enough, we transcend into something amazing.”

    It’s what I’m looking at when I do get a look into a mirror. The three faces of Scorpio has meant … if I manage to survive one more death and rebirth, I move through and up the totem of the triple faces. The stinger remember often curls in and it’s the sting of my own making that has been most debilitating. There is incredible power to the sign birthed for a purpose the journey is the unfolding. The soaring chapter is funny. Ever seen what happens to eagles when they fly? Those damned light birds just bug the sh– out of ’em. The mythical bird life: Jinn said it so nicely. Thanks Jinn, Thank you EP.

  38. I’m late to the party, but since when does that stop me?


    My sister is a double scorp with a stellium in it in her 11H. What does she do for me? She supports me, unequivocally. I can tell her things that most people would blanch at and it’s nothing. She calls once in a while to check on me, and I do the same for her. When she puts out subtle signals that she needs something (but never wants to ask) I call and offer it.

    I love her <3

  39. That was lovely Shannon.

    And I think you pointed out a thing about us Scorps – it’s my opinion that we are very leary of asking anyone for help – ever. It’s the ‘never let them see you sweat’ & stiff upper lip and all that thing.

    So, all of you who love a Scorpio? Look to see what they need assistance with, because it’s fairly unlikely that they’ll out and out ask for it. If they do? Perhaps they’re about to go down for the last count.

    I think they will be ever so grateful for the offer (you are going to offer first, aren’t you? Because the stink bomb you set off by just jumping into their stuff? Would set Dumb n’ Dumber off the stinky scale!)

    …and you know what? …some times the offer would be all it would take to set them/things aright again. To know that we aren’t really alone after all might put all kinds of wind in our sails.

    …and some times you might actually have to offer more than once (we are rather prideful after all), before we’d actually accept.

    I know, I know – but we are worth it man!!

  40. Never met a Scorpio I wasn’t in absolute awe of. I am the ultimate Plutonic person and I know very well what I have done for my people. It is such a pleasure to use power graciously and in service to the highe power.

  41. I find I am quite proud to be a Scorpio. Being as young as I am, I have been able to transform and gain the ability of near ulitmate perception. I can tap into my power and use it to my advantage; which is rarely for an evil purpose. I try hard to help and understand the human mind, which also doubles as a burden when I realize how much greater I’m tuned to it. I have discovered and profiled more than the normal person. I can feel myself rooting into people’s souls and watch distantly as they squirm under my gaze. I can be imperious. I can be jealous. I can be the best person you have ever met or an enemy that makes you want to die. I am strong and I will not ignore it, but with my strong will also comes the responcibility to choose to use my immense powers to help others and give them change as I have. I learn from my mistakes and more from the mistakes of others. For this reason, I can vouch that I find myself very intollerant of others who are close-minded or refuse to change. It, at times, serves as a burden; but in the end, I know that I have the strength to rise above it all. My only hope is that I can bring my weaker family members and friends with me. I have been given a gift by being a Scorpio of the Zodiac and I WILL survive this life with eagle’s wings, although many others have not.


  42. What a lovely post! *sniff* I have lots of Libra but I also have a share of scorpio, too.
    People have strong reactions to me- sometimes good, sometimes bad. Girls can hate me for no reason, ppl have wanted to punch me without even knowing me. Men never ever approach me when I am out. I have been told I just have a ‘bitchface’. All of this hurts my feelings! Just because scorpios look and seem tough, it doesn’t mean we are not balls of gooey emotion underneath it all! Like flight of the conchords say on ‘tears of a rapper’: We’re Vincible! Thanks Elsa!

  43. My father is a Scorpio and when asked what it was like to be raised by him I always say he was hell on wheels! He is impervious to compliments and criticism. He is very strong, decent and generous and I appreciate him alot more now. Especially since:

    I’m moon conjunct Neptune in Scorpio and I feel it’s the dominating aspect of my chart. I feel everything. I go to hell and back on a daily basis. I feel incredible joys and incredible sorrows. I am too private and secretive but you can tell me anything and I will never break a confidence.

    One of my daughters is Scorpio but she’s only seven and the other is also moon In Scorpio. The years to come should be interesting.

    • My Dad was a Scorpio/Sagittarius very supportive Father but had bouts of depression, connected with childhood events. he always thought i was going to grow up to be like his Dad (a bit of a dodgy geezer/wide-boy), so i was condemned from an early age by him always making remarks about how he thought i was going to grow up, i almost felt my self giving into his will. although i never did bring shame on to the household i always felt guilty for just being alive. that’s because the Scorpio 6th sense is used to pidgin hole you into what fits their profile for you, and they don’t get to know you. i’m not saying all Scorps are like that but i have encountered a few in my life, male and female i am 59yrs old and i actually like the people of the sign. but the power of the Scorp is still a strong influence on me, they must all be connected some how and i still feel as though they are judging me. Rip Dad miss you love you.

  44. “The double scorpio who surfaced…

    I write

    Nice to talk to the sane, it’s like there are about 11 of us left.

    he responds:

    That seems a bit high…”

    HAHAHAHAHA. Priceless. πŸ™‚

  45. I love me I wouldn’t want to be any other sign in the world. Yes it is true women do give nasty looks as if u have done something wrong I had to learn that it wasn’t me that was the problem it was them and when they looked at me in what ever way that was they saw themselves or what they wanted to be and they couldn’t come to grips with it. I deal with it with my younger sisters All the time I would say to myself what is wrong with me that they treat me so bad but then I had to stop and think they r not secure with themselves and I am and that was and still is the problem and will continue to be this way until they change:-) I just needed to get that out

  46. I have read the blogs here, and wish to comment on the generalities that I am reading. First off, you can’t go by the Sun sign alone, you can not go by the 8th house alone. A rising sign pays a huge role in a persons chart. Other planetary placements also changes the chart. I am reading good and bad things here about us Scorpios. There is a positive and a negative with each sign. Yes the Symbolism plays a huge role. Scorpio with a stinger, oh yes, we can sting quite well, and hopefully he or she is an evolved Scorpio, that has true aim,that can hit the target of their intension. Do they like to use it, if a conscious hu-man, no, only as a teaching tool. The Phoenix. Yes, we do have the capabilities of rising up out of the ashes very well. We are survivors.

  47. I am a Scorpio, born on the 20th of November, and although I have (in the past decade) transformed myself into the best person I’ve ever been in my life–thinking and feeling positive for the first time in 40 years–I can’t shake the feeling that I DRIVE people away. I mean, sure, most of my communications are via e-mail, but I am not demanding of them, I am not intrusive to their lifestyles, I am as friendly and sociable as my nature allows me to be…but I get the strongest impression that I just basically repulse them in some way. I don’t care to probe them, as it is probably just my questioning nature that is causing me to feel this way, but I can’t help feeling what I feel. Yes, I obviously STILL have issues…

  48. It’s possible that as a Scorpio you give off an intensity vibe and I find that most people don’t do well with the intensity vibe unless they are that way themselves. You probably have a built-in bullshit detector and people won’t be easy with that either. Because as a Scorpio it’s possible that you would go to the ends of the earth for people you care about, you expect the same. That kind of reciprocity doesn’t happen often.

    I’d say lower your expectations but always be yourself. You’ll know who the right people are and who are worth your wonderful energy.

    This is something I’ve had to deal with my entire life as a Scorpio moon.

  49. Thanks, Katherine.

    I believe I DO expect too much from others. I’ve been considering that quietly since I submitted that previous confession (for a Scorpio, it’s a confession!). I try to be patient and carefree, but sometimes you wonder when it’s the people that are your better friends. Thanks again.

    NUTSY πŸ™‚

  50. Okay, since my last posting I’ve been reading more on this site (and on other sites) and I’ve got to say I’m blown away by the depth of the signs.
    Yes, as naive as it sounds, I really didn’t look into what I was (outside of my typical astrological sign) until several days ago. I’ve had a lot of spare time on my hands AT work, so I’ve been kind of doing on-the-side research. Up until now (and I JUST turned 40 November 20th) I was only familiar with being a Scorpio–forget about the Moon, Mercury, etc., etc., I never knew anything about that stuff. I’m an Aries Moon, by the way, Mars-Aquarius, Ascendent Leo, and the list goes on.
    Now that I see there’s so much to it, and pretty damn accurate at that, I’m becoming a little obsessed. But the dialogue of some of you just blows me away. HOW do you find out so much about all the aspects?
    Plus, the whole intensity thing. I never FELT I was intense, although I’m like a miniature (5’7 130 lbs–soaking wet!) devil when I get pissed, but now I’m stepping outside of myself and deciding I MUST be pretty intense, because I FEEL a LOT–ALL THE TIME! And I’ve taken notice of how people react when I pass them or enter a room–it’s kind of electric. I always thought I FELT too much, hated having emotions that made me feel weak when I shouldn’t have been, but now I can see that this is how I am. Amazing stuff…

  51. This is the first time I have obtained so much validation regarding the scorpio energy! It is also interesting and wonderful to have the scorpio sexual energy clarified. In my case I have experienced periods of having amazing sexual experiences, and can also tolerate periods of celibacy without going nuts. I am not sex crazed, yet when I have the right connection, my sexual experiences are truly wonderful.

    It truly is not easy to be a Scorpio. I feel that the energy strength and depth can be very nourishing, but most people cannot deal with it, and I have consequently been pushed away. This is hard especially when one of my biggest motivations is to help and nurture people, especially since I am in the health care field. It is hard to have good intentions and have others step all over that.

    I have experienced a lot of hurts and losses, and find it amazing when time after time, I feel my phoenix rising, and my transformative energies turn inwards to heal “even” me.

    I continue to bounce back and hope to continue to do so, as I adore my children, and really want to be there for them as they grow and develop, but it is so hard to be so misunderstood and rejected.

    We are strong, and kinda “magical” but we also get hurt, and need love. Maybe I need to search out other people who have Scorpio energies. My strongest connections right now are Taurus, Libra and Virgo. I feel that my Virgo friend understands me the best. She is in a relationship with a Scorpio man.

    Thanks Elsa for your kind and illuminating work.

  52. i am a scorpio myself and am constantly feeling that people are forever trying to break through the barriers of my soul lol.. pity the fool!! some people just dont understand how we work.. how complex our minds are.. we are indeed very misunderstood and mysterious creatures. i dont even understand how i work myself at times lol.. i just know deep down inside the warrior thrives in me, and when against all odds we will prevail:) nice site elsa!

  53. Hello all am I the only one here who gets upset when not treated equally. I feel like I sometimes give until I have no more and get nothing in return until I get upset but then I don’t want anyone to do anything for me . I know that this isn’t healthy for me and I need to come out of this cycle if madness

  54. Natalie,
    I know how you feel. It seems that no matter how close I try to get to people, and (once again) I’m pretty distant because I keep in touch with people primarily through e-mail, I merely tend to drive them away. I try to be positive and merry and give them a few laughs, but it’s not enough to bring them back to maintain a regular communication. It’s sad, really. They seem so happy to hear from me, and then that’s it. I don’t hear from them again until I initiate another contact. But after decades of maintaining friendships from my end, I’ve kind of lost the desire to keep doing it. I’ve got my own projects to keep me occupied, but I often miss some of my dearer friends and after several weeks/months end up sending an e-mail or two to some of them. I’ve lately just decided to send them birthday and Christmas greetings if I don’t hear from them, but it’s still sad. Being a Scorpio does hurt, but, as you’ve mentioned, there’s also magic to it. So I guess it kind of balances out.

    Yes, it seems that I’m always the one that has to exert, exert, exert, and most others take this for granted and go skipping off in their own directions without reciprocation. That’s my biggest peeve in life, I think–lack of reciprocation. Being a Scorpio, I feel it deeply when I don’t receive something even remotely comparable to what I give. It’s one thing that lowers my opinion towards people in general, really.

    • You put my thoughts into words. I feel this same. I fight really hard every day to not let other people’s ungrateful and unappreciative way change me from who I am. I’m loving giving person and will be that way until I die. That’s all there is to it. Just gotsta be more careful of who allow to affect our chi.

  55. Hmmm . . . all very nice about the bright side of Scorpio, and much appreciated! Intense, energizing, emotional powerhouses, yes, which is why we find them so hypnotically sexy even if they don’t look so good πŸ˜€

    However, lest we forget that the 8th house also represents other people’s money: pay close attention to the Venus placement in your favorite Scorpio’s chart. A healthy prominent well-aspected Venus promises a gracious good-looking keeper. Especially if their Venus nicely jives with your own personal planets.

    But if perchance you’ve crossed paths with a Scorpion who sports a sick Venus, best distance yourself. Hide your assets. Hide your heart. And brace yourself for one hell of a bumpy ride, especially if Uranus is acting up.

    And we haven’t mentioned Mars, co-ruler of Scorpio. I know a Scorpion with progressed Mars conjunct Uranus/Pluto near the ascendant. OMG.

  56. so true for scorpios to get a bum rap but they might learn to give without attachment and less control, as for the moon in scorpio (my ex) very compasionate but when the emotions take over all logic goes out the window and we are both aquarius me with jupiter @29scorpio, you reneg or srew me and i’ll get you

  57. Elsa, thanks so much for this entry. (The timing of my finding it is uncanny.) Very nice to come across such an eloquent expression of appreciation for the “invisible” stuff.

  58. More surgeons are born under the sign of Scorpio, they can and do save lives. Scorpio energy is intense because it is self-centered, Aries on the 6th. If that energy can be turned away from the self and towards others with positive intentions, then Scorpio can be a source of very humane giving and love.

    Evolved Scorpions elevate mankind, Aquarius with Scorpio on the MC. Unevolved Scorpions drain and degenerate humanity. Many atrocities have been committed by this type of Scorpionic energy, it’s why they get such a bad rap, even though in many cases it is deserved.

    The true Scorpion redeems itself by service to humanity through right relations as shown by Libra on the 12th.

  59. Funny, the comment about surgeons by Angel. I am a scorpio psychologist, and have been told that there is a precise piercing quality to my insights and understanding in my work with others. Also, during talks with spiritual advisors, the image/thought of the surgeon has more than once come up in reference to myself and my work.

    As fatiguing as my work at helping others becomes, I also know that in order to feel engaged in a positive manner with life, I need to and have to be giving ahd helping others.
    One of my struggles that even in my mid forties continues, is that sexual energy that I try to reign in, but that I find others, men and women, (I am heterosexual) responding to. More often than I would like, it makes things more complicated in relationships and interferes with others acknowledging my insights and intellect and being able to accept and use what I would like to give of myself. I try to hide curves under clothing, wear glasses, minimize make-up etc., and I still get that. At times I sense people objectifying me, and not even wondering what is in my heart and mind,. This does not feel good.

    Some balance would be great!!

    Any advice on containing that sexual vibe? Again I am in my mid-forties and still struggle, even though I sublimate through many creative and intellectual channels.

    Thanks Elsa for this forum for Scorpio discussions. Since childhood this path has not been easy, and I find these discussions inmensely validating and helpful.

    Another question, I know very little about the complexity of Astrology and influences other than the usual month-span designation of Zodiac signs. My birth date is 11-21-64 and my time of birth is 7:20 pm Caribbean time. Can anyone offer any insights?

    Thanks again Elsa!!

  60. Hi Natalie πŸ™‚ Awesome, the work you do.

    I took a quick look at your chart and see that Mars, the planet of desire and sex energy, is conjoined with Uranus & Pluto in Virgo. Those aspects are sexually challenging, especially in the sign of Virgo. If you have a significant other, this would help tune down your natural sex appeal by having a natural outlet of all that sexual tension/vibe you naturally give off. I have Venus in Virgo conjoined Uranus & Pluto, my vibes tend to attract people too, so I know what you mean.

    Mars is an outgoing, forceful planet, the planet of the sex drive, so your energy will be obvious to people upon first meeting.

    Being in Virgo, it makes you naturally modest and unassuming. With those aspects of the stellium and conjunction, you have what they call “sex appeal” such as some celebrities have.

    You also have Venus in Libra trine your North Node in Gemini, this is another appealing/attracting aspect, no matter how you look, people will still find you appealing πŸ™‚

    If you are not currently involved, a consultation with an astrologer or psychic could help point you in the direction of your potential future husband. Venus in Libra really needs a relationship and would be ideal married to the right person.

  61. Angel,

    Thank you so much!

    I truly appreciate your info and insights! What you wrote is so helpful!

    Any suggestions on how to get that helpful consult?

  62. You’re welcome Natalie, happy to be of assistance πŸ™‚

    With your Mars in Virgo, you have a natural feel for what is right, I’d say go with your gut instincts and research some astrologers. Some of the best ones are expensive, and worth every penny. I personally would like a consult with Isabel Hickey, lol, unfortunately, that’s not possible.

    Anyway, Michael Lutin seems pretty good too, you can find his website on Google. It all depends on what you really are looking for, there are many Astrologers on the web, like Elsa; some specialize in relationships because they have a feel for them. I’ve spoken to some psychics who were right on, they just started telling me my past and my relationship without any information from me, so go with your instincts when choosing.

    Good luck, I’m sure you will find the information you seek.

  63. I have my Sun and Venus in the 8th house and Pluto and Saturn in Scorpio… I don’t know if I have this energy but then my Neptune I think squares my 8th house planets..

    But It would be cool to have some of that energy…

    I have to say though I am extremely uncomfortable with Scorpios … I feel very mistrustful of them even though I’ve never met a scorpio I couldn’t technically trust.. I just feel like they want too much from me and I’ll fall short

    I think my father’s moon is in Scorpio, he’s very complex and women both drawn to him and repelled at the same time.. But boy is he the best!! Unfortunately for me that sets the bar very very high for a long term partner

  64. I must disagree with this post. Not sure why, but almost every Scorpio male I’ve ever come into contact with has tried to either manipulate me into sleeping with them, tried to convince me I’m in love with them (when I’m not) or has tried to make me feel inferior to them. I’ve always been extremely loved and respected by Scorpio women, but the men almost make a sport out of trying to head-trip me. It’s bizarre. I always feel completely drained when I’m around them. Could it be my chart?


    Sun, Merc-12th house
    Moon, Mars, Jupiter, True Node-1st
    Venus, Uranus, Neptune-10th

  65. My Scorpio Venus/Mercury/Uranus definitely gets a Scorpio. I actually have worked, and continue to work, very, very well with Scorpios and Scorpio moons. πŸ™‚

    The majority of them are great. Rarely do I deal with a dipsh*t, and when I do, I know how to handle him/her.

  66. I was totally channeling this piece when I wrote that thread about bragging. *lol* Oh, the things I forget I’ve read… Sorry, E-P. πŸ˜‰

  67. Hello, I just started dating a Gemini, who has so far been very charming & sexy (I am thinking it’s all too good to be true.) His b-day is june 18, 1970, I am Scorpio 11-21-1964. I know that Geminis represent duality, & am concerned about this supposed other side (?). Any insights about what to watch out for? I detest people lying to me &/or manipulating, don’t want to invest much energy if he will be a jerk! Am I being too suspicious, am I right to be suspicious? Am I being too much like a Libra :-)?

    Again, advice, insights, warnings ?!

    • I Am marrying a Gemini next month….he is the best thing that has ever happened to me…..I adopted the knowledge of years ago….I treat him like the man of the house…I take out his clothes I cook for him I dish up for him even when we are at an event. He gets foot massages and back rubs and I absolutely never ever say no to him when it comes to needs…..We have been together for 7 months and we havent fought a day…..we work together we live together and we get into bed together every night….He in turn makes sure my daughter and I and his 3 girls are well looked after…..I have never felt so loved and appreciated in my life….I am 38 and he is 31 …..

  68. I have a Scorpio Moon and a Leo sun and although this puts the two signs square with each other, it gave me the chance to balance and mesh two opposing energies within myself (masculine & Feminine). I feel like the Scorpio moon really contributes to my ability to assess situations for what they really are and helps rid me of some arrogant Leo pretenses I occasionally develop. All in all, I truly feel I am able to strengthen myself by channeling my Scorpio.

  69. @ Vicki

    Its probably something to do with your Saggitarius Venus, which indicates your need for freedom in a relationship, combined with your Pisces Moon,which gives Scorpios the perception of someone who can be walked on or a pascifist. The part of you that disagrees with this is Aries, the fire sign who doesnt exactly tolerate belittlement and mind games!

    Im not an Astrologer but that’s my insight! =)

  70. Good day,

    I was born on november 14.

    The power/energy thing isn’t mythical after all (!!). It’s somthing I never understood how or why as a kid and am still not exactly sure: i’m just finally comfortable in my own skin and feels wonderful to not have to ‘dumb myself down’ for anyone anymore.

    That was said in an effort to just be myself without having to explain myself especially to myself.

    Oh! πŸ˜€ I’ve recently met a Scorpio man and holy bonkers! We’re both in our mid-late 30’s… it is so wonderful to be known, accepted and not sort of partly feared. I’ve met my equal and it’s so indescribable.

  71. Hi all sometimes I feel like I’m the strongest thing in the world and other times I don’t. I don’t know if this has anything to do with being a scorp but I can sense when someone is sad or hurting it’s crazy. I wish I had more control over this but I don’t my birthday is November 4,1975 born on the east coast can someone tell me something. Oh P.S do sag and scorp go together his Bday is 12/21/66

  72. I am a Taurus woman, and I just love love love Scorpio people!
    I’m always attracted to them, and I feel good in their company, maybe because they are so loyal and strong as me.
    My best friends are Scorpio, and my boyfriend is a Scorpio too, he’s great and I’m so totally besotted with him! I met another Scorpio before, long ago, and when we split up we remained as friends.
    I feel they help me to evolve, become someone better. They like about me that I’m loyal too, I respect their secrets and accept them they way they are.
    I only have good words for Scorpio. πŸ™‚

  73. Thank you Elsa P for this thread as I have enjoyed reading these comments greatly. I am a Scorpio my Mate/Husband is an Aries with a Leo rising his sun, Venus, and Mercury in the 8th house and Pluto on his Assendent so he really understands me extremely well and I personally find that to be a blessing not only that he accepts me as I am. A difficult thing for a Scorpio person to find is someone who accepts them as they are faults and all.

    I have the hardest time asking anyone even my wonderful husband for help because I look around and see that everyone is just as busy as me so rather than say hey could you help me I just keep on keeping on. Why ask if no body can help it just makes them feel bad.

    I am the current Matriarch of the family my mother passed away St Patrick’s Day 2009. My father is still living and I am not only his Guardian but his P.O.A. His lung cancer his out of remission and he is in radiation treatment right not every day I pick him up at the skilled nursing care facility he is at and take him to his treatments which will be finished the 28th of October. I also am assisting my daughter get her life squared away by taking her to work nearly every night of the week. She is helping my sister who has been a single parent now for almost a Year thank the heavens so they can’t help with daddy and the economy is not being kind at all but the girls are making it. My younger brother is also a single parent he does daddy’s laundry which is a great help to me every one of my siblings and kids have said I don’t know how many times they don’t know how my husband and I do what we do. We have a blended family between my husband and I we have 6 grown children most have children of their own, so I have lots to keep me very busy.

  74. Wow… When you said “energized and blooming” that related to me a lot. I’ve been progressively feeling this way since my partner and I started dating 2.5 years ago. I went from pretty much “hopeless” and without self esteem to someone who is growing to love herself. It’s as if a part of me in the past has died.

    My Scorpio partner has given nothing but love to me. He’s absolutely wonderful and I could not ask for a better partner. I’m really surprised to hear about negative experiences with Scorpios because I had nothing but positive to say about them – at least when it comes to male Scorpios. My stepdad and my youngest brother are like best friends to me. My first boyfriend is a Scorpio and we are still in touch and never had a messy breakup. Some male friends who are Scorpios are very honest, straightforward and absolutely faithful to their girlfriends as well.

    I wish I could say the same about females, but there are a few that I can definitely connect strongly with.

    Overall, I have nothing against Scorpios. If we’re talking about bad reputations in romance in my life? Let’s talk about Pisces πŸ˜›

  75. Nota: I just noticed you wrote this:
    “They are the ones who can say something that if anyone else said I would be totally offended, but coming from them it is so stripped of bullshit pretense and steeped in an awareness of what really is for my own good, whatever bomb theyre gonna drop recieves immediate acceptance in the depths of my psyche as the raw naked truth.”

    I totally relate to this. I like the “bullshit-free” environment Scorpios provide. It’s enough to keep this feisty double Aries happy πŸ™‚

  76. What he did FOR me? Well he threw me into a year depression, for starters, however I came out of it with a heightened sense of myself and the world around me and I’m a better person for it. He hurt me, he used me, he diminished me, but all the negative was only temporary. In the end he helped me see things I never knew existed, he took my defensive blinders off.

  77. I’m Cancer Sun, Aquarius Rising, Moon in Taurus, Venus in Cancer
    She’s Scorpio Sun and Ascendant, Moon in Libra, Venus in Sagittarius.

    Supportive workmates, surprising friends – completely baffled by almost dating each other – pretty much mentally committing as life partners before getting around to a kiss, so aware of what a big deal it was – then spectacularly seizing romantic defeat from the jaws of victory.

    About to meet up for the first time in seven months.

    Loved this article and comments – by first ‘choosing’ me and then ‘rejecting’ me, she has brought me back to life.

    Have absolutely no idea what will happen next, and know that is the best way to be with this. Do know, however, that I should relish every moment I spend with her – and never be less than myself – whether she is there or not. She will tell.

    Thank you, scorps, for helping me ‘man up’!

  78. Still with the Scorpio Man.

    Both of us keep our individual controlling & jealousy tendancies in check: We both know how challanging that is and we respect each other more for the effort.

    I love that we both are very honest.

    He clued in that we’re both scorpios on his birthday Nov. 8th: “Huh! Huh?! Hmmm…. we’re both scorpios. Imagine that we’re doing ok!”

    I guess it takes awhile for negative sterotypes to put to rest.

    Well. I’m hoping that what we have going on will continue for a long time.

    Thank you so much for your time and these conversations.

  79. I’m a Double Skorpion with Neptune, Venus and Mercury clustered around my 12 deg ASC. Currently carrying on a difficult long-distance affair with a fellow Skorpion/AQU rising. Her Moon is 16 deg’s SCO placing my ASC at the midpoint of her Sun conj. Mercury. Finally her Neptune conj’s my Sun, and my Sun conj’s her Sagg Midheaven (my Sagg Mars is just inside her Xth).

  80. You can keep your Scorpios!!! And they do do nasty things!!! My father is a Scorpio and I told him once that he is a manipulator and a shiester!!! He then showed me the door!!! It took me almost 35 years to understand just how “power hungry” he and other Scorpios are. I am a Leo and I should have been his “bragging right” with all my college degrees and such, but I didn’t turn out to be what he wanted and now he is hell bent on punishing me for the rest of his life. He almost comes undone when we withhold information from him. He’s opened my tax-statements. I have thought about going to the Feds on him for this but being a Leo we hold out until sheer force is necessary–unlike Scorpios who hold on to slights and who plot and plan revenge against you for the rest of their lives. Gotta wonder why so many Scorpio relatives of mine suffer from auto-immune diseases and diseases of the immune system? It comes from holding on to anger and resentment!!! Scorpios never fail to promote their hidden agendas.
    Scorpios never do anything ALONE!!! Just like if you find a scorpion in your house you had better look for the other because they always travel in pairs. Scorpios have this incredible nack for getting into other people’s heads and getting them involved in their little schemes. Sometimes I think it is because those folks are terified of these Scorpios and would rather not be the “target” on the receiving end of their “stinger”. Scorpios constantly play mind games with you until you become completely exhausted from them and their schemes and require years of psychological counseling just to reclaim yourself. My own father has told me that he admires certain qualities about me (yes, can you believe that I actually got a few compliments from him) and that if he could bottle these traits up he would. HE WOULD BOTTLE THEM UP AND SELL THEM OR MANIPULATE THEM TO HIS OWN ADVANTAGE!!! He has been unable to tame his “idealistic” Leo daughter and trust me, he is bound and determined to get back at me until the day he is gone from the face of planet earth. I do not want this man in “control” of my life. EVERYTHING YOU READ ABOUT SCORPIO COMPATIABILITY COMES MOSTLY FROM THE STAND-POINT OF HAVING SCORPIOS AS MATES. But how are you to handle Scorpios when they are your father, brother or cousins? And please don’t mention all the “mind blowing sex” that you can have with a Scorpio because I don’t want to have “mind blowing” sex with any of my relatives!!!!!! I want them to keep their distance and know their boundaries when it comes to my relationships with them!!!! Scorpios almost make you feel like killing them and people need to quit giving them so much power!!! How they are able to get into the heads of other people to MANIPULATE them is beyond my comprehension!!!! I don’t know about most of you but dealing with a Scorpio leaves you feeling repulsed and mentally and emotionally drained!!! It is almost though everyone in this world has given Scorpios “carte blanche” to do things that are counter to “biblical” scripture and “time tested” truths!!! Vengence is against biblical truths and is frowned upon in almost every society. But yet, Scorpios get a “pass”!!! Controlling and trying to possess others is against biblical scriptures and is frowned upon in almost every society, but yet, Scorpios get a “pass”!!! The Bible says don’t let the sun go down on your wrath–meaning use that anger to bring about positive change and results, but yet, Scorpios get a “pass” to be as resentful,mean-spirited, caustic, angry, vengeful and vindictative as they want to be. Somebody needs to re-write the book of astrology when it comes to these “shape-shifting” (transforming??) vile creatures or better yet, Scorpios need to start adhering to sound principles, sound doctorine and the TRUTH!!!!

  81. To Sharon:

    It takes guts to be so honest & it is too bad you had such negative experiences with family members.

    Scorpios do have some defining traits and I agree, that letting go of hurts can be difficult. In my case, I do not like that I have a hard time forgiving the slights & abuses of others, I sure wish that it were easier. Then agsin, I have suffered some really painful injustices.

    I am a late Scorpio & have Libra and Saggitarius traits. I suppose one of the ways this plays out in my life, is that when I have a hard time forgiving, I pray to God to either forgive that person or situation for me, or for insights & enhanced ability to forgive. I find that when I nurture myself & take perspective forgivintg & letting go, and letting God becomes easier. Physically letting god of physical things that I do not need on a regular basis, also reminds me of the importance of letting go even if forgiveness is difficult. I wish it were simple, but neither can be forced, & Sharon, you need the time & space you need to forgive those who have hurt, slighted, and manipulated you.

    Sensitivities, sadness and anger toward family tend to come up more during the holiday season. I think this is true for most of us. I struggle with thinking about my Taurus mother, the ways she hurt me when I was a child and adolescent, but I try to recall the good things that she did when I need to spend time with her, like Thanksgiving dinner :-). Being stuck in anger & sadness is not good for my spirit, my body and my mind.

    Good luck Sharon & Godspeed…

  82. Raised in a psychic modality, I definitely feel that Scorpio energy! They do not let go, either… I tend to drift away from people I know are leaving or who are moving on, but Scorpios tend to keep their friends as long as they want them no matter where you happen to be on the planet. Meaning, it’s not up to you to let go. (This particular friend of mine has his Saturn in Aquarius, which might contribute to it.)

    Very manipulative, though.. I feel like my correspondence with my Scorpio friend is like a fencing match. On guard, parry, riposte. I’m always dodging manipulative traps. They wear you down even if the energy feels great, but you’ll have to adapt and–hopefully!–be stronger for the experience.

    You definitely don’t tell them what to do–you ask nicely, and still aren’t guaranteed what you want (kind of like praying to the almighty, haha.)

  83. this may be a bit late, but great topic. i have sun and mercury in the 1st in scorpio and sun contraparalell pluto so am very aware of this energy. yes pluto types can be very intense and controlling, when not aspiring to great things. i will say that i like scorpios, they are just not phoney like everone else. they will tell you if they like or hate you , so you know where it stands. that fighting and mean stuff is just to stir it up and see what really lies beneath the surface. it’s just testing. there is an unspoken understanding with scorpios, if you don’t start trouble there won’t be any. however if you do, they can be vicious. fair enough. the bad reputation, i think comes from bullies who don’t expect someone to fight back. i think no one will be as reliable and loyal. you have to really do something pretty bad for them to give up on you. the ones i’ve known are just cool! they are interested in things, and are very resourceful people with creative ideas and solutions (and DEEP). you can tell them anything, and they actually know how to keep secrets. if you ever have a real life and death problem they won’t fall apart and abandon you. i think all the little annoying stuff is a small sacrifice for the loyalty and devotion they have to give. my sister has a scorpio stellium w/ sun, and has come to be my best friend now that we are grown. there is also this quality of things always evolving and developing, which encourages growth. very positive in my mind. sometimes people have to go through bad spells and experience hardships as part of their growth process. i have observed that scorpios have this potential to evolve far beyond other people, and to keep evolving. so you can’t label them bad. maybe at some point they are terrible, then go on to do some truly wonderful and amazing stuff, you just never know.

  84. I’m a double Skorpion (Venus in SCO), and I get this response from the women (cis-women AND transgendered M2F) that I approach. Basically they can’t stand the heat like you say. My current flame is a SCO/AQU Rising 3000 miles away in Canada (I’m presently in Atlanta), and she’s giving me the scared-bunny-facing-a-boa act right now. She doesn’t have an excuse, being a fellow Skorpion!

    I’m an Orchestra Director/Musician with Pluto, Uranus, and my North Node in my Leo/Virgo Xth house. I think I scare off a lot of investor angels.

  85. This post originated some time ago, but I found it while searching this site for reasons why Scorpios cut people off (“WHY DO SCORPIOS LEAVE?” or “WHAT CAUSES SCORPIOS TO LEAVE?” “FROM FRIEND TO NONEXISTENT WITH SCORPIOS”)

    The post was such a positive reflection, I decided to pose my question here. I have 3-5 examples of Scorpios (mostly Sun, one Moon) who BREAK CONTACT WITHOUT WARNING.

    – my logic says “they are self protecting” (during their own personal crisis)

    – the rest of me says “did I do/say something? take too much”?

    They seem QUITE available and engaged when they’re IN with you (in tune to relationship vibes, events, etc) – quite connected.

    Then, no contact: no returned calls/txts… missed holidays, events, etc. One Scorpio re-appeared (smiling brightly) and explained that the absence as “me time”; it happened 2 years later, I remembered, accepted, and wished my dear Scorpio friend well.

    Any experiences with this? Anybody find it abrupt? or acceptably self preserving?

    • Speaking for myself, I am Scorpio and am definitely a giver. I really have no other choice for if I am not giving, people basically do not interact with me much. That is, there is no real interest in my “interior” meaning my inner world. I understand this, as my interior is challenging even for me to live in, sort of speak. The truth is that most people are not going to want to or be able to be curious about the world of the Scorpio person, and frankly speaking from personal experience, one does get tired of giving, and giving and giving, in order to have some type of connection. Reciprocity is so rare it is practically non-existent.

      • So, yes sometimes I just go away, and unlike your friend, especially if I have been betrayed or “kicked” repeatedly, there is no return.

      • Natalie, this is so true. I wish I had more friends like you that understand these facts. I have found that if I am not “extroverted” meaning that I conform to others around me, and try to “fill in the blanks” as far as the circumstances / interaction, that people think badly of me, unless I am purposefully being very positive, encouraging, and giving. People have NO interest in my inner world, and it is absolutely challenging for me, to the point that I sink to very low, low places of self-hatred and deprivation. I know that this is partly due to being married to a very selfish, childish, narcissistic Taurus boy (I say boy, because he was physically an adult, but emotionally a child) and I suffered through 6 years of marriage with him, where he practiced “gaslighting” and other tactics to manipulate me, while I stood up for him, defended his lying, and I also was loyal to him while he was cheating on me behind my back, and found out that he was doing so after he openly told his friends that I was the one cheating. People are terrified of me, I feel them getting anxious if I start talking about deeper matters, to the point that I see them running for the door or moving away from me, because they don’t know how to face me, or face the deeper aspects of themselves that I make them aware of. I don’t know if you are the same Natalie that posted comments earlier about trying to make yourself less attractive – I suffer the same problem. No matter how I dress or act, I attract attention from males and females. I am heterosexual, but I tend to attract women in their mid-40’s who are very loud, outspoken, and crass. (I do’t really know what this says about me, but it’s upsetting none-theless when I have to see this pattern repeat itself.) Additionally, it’s disturbing to me that I tend to attract really deranged sex addicts. I tend to attract married men too. They pretend they just like being around me, but I know it’s because they want to get in my pants. I am so afraid of attracting attention that I’ve worked very hard to look and appear very mousy and unattractive, because the ongoing attraction of people upsets me. I feel I am a Scorpio who is very afraid of her power. I don’t know how to seduce, and I may be good at sex, but I have so many hangups that it doesn’t last long before I fall into a pit of self-hatred and depression. This whole post has at least soothed me a little to know that there are a ton of different opinions on Scorpios and at least not everyone hates us.

        I am Nov. 8th, and I am dating a Pisces. It’s very hard for me to allow him to see me when I am upset. I have been through some very daunting life circumstances and I have PTSD (trauma related) and most people judge me off the bat as a piece of shit if I am not actively presenting the “positive, giving front” that I have noted previously. I am pretty much at my wits end with how to resolve my own inner conflict. I wonder if we are just hoping for an ideal that will never happen, as far as the reciprocity goes. Also, when you’ve conditioned yourself to be unable to receive, how do you learn you aren’t as horrible as you feel, and how everyone has made you out to be? Even my co-workers say “scorpios are cold, uncaring people” and I’ve found that I have to emulate my rising sign of Gemini at work in order to cope. In the long run, it’s like I am one person to everyone else, and my inner self is a chamber of masochistic horrors that is a neverending nightmare. I just want to know what I am reaching for, because I feel I am reaching for transformation and it’s never going to happen.

  86. re energy for life: it is simple. you did something, either hurtful, something to make them angry, or have shown yourself to be disloyal and unreliable. crisis is ongoing, that would never be enough to cause them to withdraw. superficiality is also a big deal, if you fail to open up and be honest and real, after a certain point you will be written off.

  87. Wondering how Scorps are doing & feeling given the Japan Tsunami & other global events.

    I have gone through this before, but currently I am feeling more psychically drained than I remember. There is this huge sadness about our planet, and the state of humanity.

    On a personal level, there is disappointment in relationships due to challenges in communication, and hitting walls previously encountered.

    The sadness is huge, yet I experience myself growing spiritually and gaining insights about myself and spiritual issues.

    So, I am interested, how are other Scorps doing psychically/spiritually?

  88. To: Energy4Life

    About Scorpios disappearing, & speaking for myself, reciprocity could also be an issue. I love to give, but when reciprocity does not happen, relationships become imbalanced. I have recently set some limits with an important friendship where I was extending myself more than she was. I made it very clear to her that if she did not step up, a friendship would not be possible. She did not step up, and I am no longer willing to expend my energies on someone who is limited in capacities for reciprocity, loyalty and consideration. I have not stopped loving her & if I were to accidentally bump into her I would actually be happy to see her & yes I might even smile.

    To all those who criticize Scorps, imagine being really strong, and really, really sensitive at the same time, having this strong urge to give and love, yet being misunderstood and repeatedly rejected. How would this feel? This is where some Scorps can become vengeful, the stinger is used with the surgeons accuracy but to create hurt, not healing.

    At the same time, all the hurts can grow wings, and there is the moment when the crustacean transforms into the Eagle/Phoenix. Emotional autonomy is strenghthened and creative transformations continue. As we know about the phoenix, its tears having healing powers.

    Energy4life, maybe your friend cried over you…

    • THANK YOU.

      “To all those who criticize Scorps, imagine being really strong, and really, really sensitive at the same time, having this strong urge to give and love, yet being misunderstood and repeatedly rejected. How would this feel? ”

      this is the agonizing story of my life.

  89. @ Kathleen: thanks, but I doubt it. NO INCIDENTS (or history of: betrayal, anger, disloyalty, etc. — none of that)

    LOL, thanks for your response though. I have to remember – you don’t know me.

  90. @ natalie – I don’t see my response about RECIPROCITY, so I’ll type it again – highly abridged. I am deliberately adding the word “reciprocity” to my vocabulary. Well-timed!

  91. also Natalie: not sure how to Private Message you. I’m not sure what “maybe your friend cried over you” means.

    btw, the “smiling” Scorp friend never STAYED away – it was a respite of sorts. I suspect the same with 2 of the other 4. and the 4th, just not enough data (history, time, situations). The other 3: NO INCIDENTS – LOL (of betrayal, disloyalty, etc. )

  92. i wasn’t saying those things as a sort of attack, just the probable truth, thought maybe you wanted a real answer? some people are more sensitive than others, betrayal can be as simple as, telling a secret, not being available when you are really needed, being insensitive. it’s all relative. if there is no trust or meaning there is no point, sometimes it is easier to love people from afar. oh and we all make mistakes in relationships, even unintentional things can be hurtful. i can only state my opinion based on a lifetime of experiences and observations. it is hard to really have true honesty with people, as most live in their own fantasy world. you don’t really need input from anyone, if you look inside yourself all of the answers will be right there!

  93. I wrote the “cried over you” comment both from a relational and symbolic angle. Scorps feel deeply, and this includes feeling hurt over things that other people may not consider hurtful. Why is this? I honestly do not know. But speaking for myself, most people that know me, perceive me as being strong. Well, they have no idea how deeply I feel my feelings including my sadness & I won’t go into that here because it is a private process (btw, this is a very Scorpionic response) & do not want to bore with details. One thing I have noted throughout my life, even as a child is that if I let myself, feel my sadness & cry, I come out the other side every time! This actually allows me to “smile” the next day.

    Again, when it comes to your friends, do not be surprised if at some point, they have indeed felt significant sadness and/or cried over something painful related to you. I am not saying that you necessarily did something horrible. Just keep in mind that different people have different pain thresholds, different types of sensitivities.

    I recommend that you read a bit about the different symbols for Scorpio. There is the actual scorpion which like the crab (Cancer) has a hard exterior, but soft interior. There is the eagle, the phoenix, and also the dove. The phoenix as a mythical and symbolic figure is truly beautiful and fascinating. Most people are familiar with the dove representing the holy spirit in Catholicism, but on a more general level, it represents love infused with purity.

    I do not think that Scorpios in general reach the ‘winged” levels of emotional/spiritual evolution. Some get stuck in the sensual/sexual realm. However, given that Scorp is a sign of transformation, there is amazing potential here.
    I remember in my late twenties & early thirties contemplating my stinger & making a decision to trade my anger for sadness (i.e. the scorpion’s stinger, for the phoenix’ tears.) This was a turning point for me, as I have indeed found the beauty of tears, to be very healing. Also, as my compassion for my own pain has grown, I have grown in capacity for compassion toward others. I still have my bad days, but overall, I use my stinger more as a tool for imaginative penetration (i.e., curiosity, compassion, exploration) rather than as a weapon.

    BTW, most of the Scorpios I know have had a greater allotment of pain than other signs. Why is this, I do not know, maybe there is some type of connection between Astrology & karma? Somehow, intuitively this makes sense to me. Anywho, I have written enough for now.


  94. I love the power and the energy of being a Scorpio and i have many scorpio friends. We just “get” each other and my experience i never crossed the line or border w/another scorp as far as i know. People love to tell me their secrets or bounce stuff off me and sometimes they dont like when i tell them blunt truth but they do learn to just deal with it and they respect me for it later. They cant stay mad at me for long. They always see how i survive anything that comes at me and want to know how i do it. I just have to i tell them i take care of me and mine. Simple. Those that know me well know that im quiet but resourceful, loyal, honest, humorous, and sexy. Men come around me even when i am in my plain state (no make up,not dressed up)and if there is an attraction i can usually get a date or a kiss. The kiss will let me know if its going any further. If the kiss wasnt good, we are not gonna be dating. If it is, ooohweeee. I get along with male friends better than females who are very catty. I dont like bullshit and i am hardheaded and stubborn about what i like and dont like. It drives my kids (taurus and sagitarious)crazy but they love me and depend on me even tho we all try to get our own way. Not a dull moment, we either having heated conversations,or laughing hysterically, or taking a time out from each other. Lots of spice here!! I love all the comments about the scorpio experiences. Just gotta live fully out no matter what you are…only i chance in this life to make your life matter.

  95. Scorpio/Scorpio, me and her. I’m Scorp rising, and she’s Aquarius rising. My Taurus Moon directly opposes her Scorpio Moon. She’s been unfriending me off and on for nine months every time she takes a half-shine to some bum (literally). She KNOWS that I’m the sweet dark LUV she really needs (“way way down inside…WO-MAN!”). Why this puerile denial?!

  96. It is amazing that this post has been generating comments for over 2 years now. I am a Scorpio and I agree we can frustrate anyone who takes an interest to us or cares for us. Trying to understand someone who is focused on the pain of the world is an impossible mission. You peer into my head to try and comprehend what my thoughts are and you may be transported to the other side of the world or maybe 20 years in the future. To be an evolved Scorpio is to have an almost omniprescent sense of what’s going on everywhere and still noice the small details like an Eagle. Yet the fact that we don’t focus on the “small things” because we are looking beyond them mystifies and frustrates some. This energy and insight is our responsibility and I have been fine tuning my “Eagle’s Eye View” as soar above common consciousness. Scorpios that I know and myself included don’t plot revenge. However we do agree that bad karma from crossing or betraying seems to come fast and furious to those who tread on us.

  97. My father was a Scorpio. It was easy to read his energy, if he was lying, hiding something, etc bc he is ScorpioI suppose. To this day, I find it very easy to know what a Scorpio male is thinking or feeling without him saying anything. For this reason, they are often very, VERY attracted to me. Even if I leave them. BUT, I always see the Scorpio stinger come out and I hate it!
    My father was evil, violent and exerted power only over who he perceived as weak. They few times I was hoping he would step up and exert some real power over some real situations to help me out, he simply folded or ran from the challenge.
    It’s hard for me to go past this view of Scorpio as the tormentor/tormented. I can’t see them as powerful bc I saw my father was sniveling. Sorry.
    My father was never on my team and was very good at betraying that bond and never followed thru on promises. I actually really do hope Karma comes through. Hahaha! I’m just kidding….I let go of that desire but I’m still wary of Scorps. Females, I like though. My aunt was a Scorpio female and was very kind to me. I heard negative things as I grew older but I only care about how she treated me. And she treated me very well. I think both were cheaters, though. Funny enough.

  98. about cheating…

    check out the statistics. I am familiar with the numbers due to my line of work. One statistic I read a few years ago indicated that up to 70% of men cheat at least once while in a serious relationship, and women hover around 50%. Some more recent statistics indicate that it is getting worse. Folks, look up the facts, it is more common than we like to believe, for whatever reason. Also, I am prety sure it is spread out throughout the Zodiac.

  99. Oh how being a Scorps is of so much beauty but yet of burden all at the same time. Sun, Merc, Venus, Pluto all in Scorps and that 8th house energy is so amazing to have but a burden to the people who don’t appreciate the loving nutrients. It reminds of your other blog entry about Scorps amputation and in some way that links for me. When people don’t appreciate, I amputate. When people are sucking me dry, I amputate. When people moan about what I’ve done TO them instead of FOR, I amputate. Sad but very true.

    It is very true when you say that people should stop moaning about we have done to YOU have you looked at what we’ve done FOR you?! They haven’t because they’re too busy moaning about being stung due to their own stupidity and instead of taking responsibility blame us for it. *sigh*

    My mother is also a Scorps as is my Aunt and a few cousins. My mother and I sting each other quite often and to be honest the truth hurts but in some weird way it’s brought us closer. I use to be one of those who would moan about what she’s done TO me instead of what she’s done FOR me. I’ve realised that she’s done a lot, more than most in fact and has taught me the number 1 Scorps weapon of having patience to find the truth. We’ll give enough rope to watch someone hang themselves and then amputate for the deciet and lack of appreciation.

    But I do like this entry though, we don’t look for the thanks or the appreciations but just saying it out of courtesy wouldn’t go amiss. What ever did happen to manners and courtesy?!

  100. check this out!

    female MOMMY scorpions carry their babies on their back until they are strong enough to live on their own! YES ON THEIR BACKS!!

    find this so interesting, this speaks to the “burdensome” experiences of scorpios. the mythical phoenix is also said to have a capacity to carry HUGE burdens.


    as i get older, i get tired of all these burdens, i want to simplify my life, want to lighten up and enjoy more, yet find myself still carrying burdens, and oftentimes willingly. however, this has taken its toll on my health and i feel has also cheated me of having more joy in my life. i feel much older than my actual age, yet have the experience of people perceiving me as younger than i actually am. what a strange paradox!

    sometimes i wonder if i take on the burdens of helping others because of that attract-repel dynamic that plays out with scorpios, and how difficult it is for others to get close to us and stay around.

    it is as if my options for human contact are very often based on providing help and attention to others, because they do not easily come to me. is it because of that “appearance” of strength? that hard shell, “ectoderm” of the scorpio that belies the softness and depth inside? this apparent toughness that repels? yet, when I let down my guard, it seems that many people are also repelled by that. it is as if because I appear to be strong, i have no right to complain or be vulnerable. i have carried many babies in the form of helping many, many people. however, who carries me?

    GEEZ, I also want and need to be taken care of!!!

    Tired of the burdens…

    Need love, appreciation, help, TENDERNESS….

    I ask this of this universe, GOD, help and some TLC for this exhausted Scorpio, autoinmune burdened, single mom!!

  101. Sun Scorpio 4Β°33’43 in house 12
    Ascendant Scorpio 9Β°53’36
    Mercury Scorpio 18Β°51’55 in house 1
    Venus Scorpio 1Β°01’19 in house 12
    Jupiter Scorpio 10Β°27’36 in house 1
    Neptune Scorpio 4Β°31’06 in house 12
    Moon Taurus 13Β°43’36 in house 7

    House position (Placidus)
    8th House Gemini 9Β°05’33

    Those are the important planets in my chart, and I am quite proud of them!!

  102. OH, & our of curiosity, what is Placidus?

    Is it the “placid” aspect of your astrological profile?

    the balancing element perhaps?

    or…. I projecting, I have Saggitarius, Virgo & Libra influences.

    playful, LOYAL, & tend to strive for BalancE.

    Anywho & silly-willy joKe aside. I am in fact interested in what Placidus means. πŸ˜‰

  103. Elsa,

    Do you have a twitter account. I would love to speak with you about this. This is so interesting and btw, LOVE your blog.

  104. And website. I’ve been Reading you lately and I truly enjoy your take on Astrology. Very insightful and so very accurate. Would love to learn more. xo, Elizabeth

  105. When I was young thought I was born in a different family I thought that there’s some thing wrong with my family . I was always hard headed and I liked things my way I was sweat and bitter because but deep down I always believed. In my self I knew I was special . I had my opinion snd that was it I joined the navy at 18 boy I’m glad I did it was against my families wishes and tradition and culture that the girls join the navy . And I met my first love and he saw I was confused he’s a Scorpio . He gave me a book about astrology And was I Sooooooo happy to read about all the true traits about us and I’m so happy to be a scorpio . If I wasn’t I would be Sooooo jelouse !!!!! All that intensity ! Pasion ! Energy ! Love it !!! And btw we got married and have 5 children together would not want to be married to some one else !! Love my scorp snd love being one. Because Scorpios do make the world beautiful !!!!!

  106. I just want to add my 2 cents here. I have mentioned in a recent post elsewhere that I love Scorpios. Reason being I have both a brother and a sister who are Scorpios. Know why I love them? They always tell you the truth. They are brutally honest when you need them to be. And if they aren’t, it means they don’t give a damn about you. They are brutally honest about your good points too. Want an upper? Ask them what they see as your good points. And if they care…they are the best at showing you they care.

    • Here is the caveat of Scorpio truth telling.

      In this day and age, life is not about truth any more. It’s about Image, and how you make yourself appear. I mean via social media, and any other way you’d present yourself. Most people have some sort of hidden wound, inner pain, or trauma they are trying to ignore. I believe this is what makes social interactions so difficult for me, because I am often “tied up” internally with my own issues. Running into someone with similar wounds will trigger my own wounds, and then I can hardly keep up with the conversation because I am being slapped (energetically) in the face with the realization of someone else’s issues that they themselves are either blind to, or they are trying to hide. I end up making people angry when I try to relieve the pressure by speaking on it, and more oft than not, it drives people away.

      I’ve just started considering that maybe people just don’t care about the truth anymore, and being who I am is not something people care for.

  107. Hello again! I just wanted to let you know that this site is truly excellent – really amazing how insightful it is.

    My Scorpio is the one I’ve loved who cut me out a few months ago. I’m a Sagittarius I (November 26).

    There was just something about him…I met him at a party in December of ’08, and it was this sort of – instant connection. He was (still is) tall, handsome, funny, and ever-watching. We seemed to hit it off quite well, I think, but I didn’t get his number and didn’t expect to see him again.

    A few months later, we did run into each other. I remember seeing this hot, tall, gangly guy sitting on a bench, and I asked my friend who he was. Turns out that it was him (I’ll call him Liam). One thing I was drawn to about him was his gaze. He always seemed to be where I was, always watching.

    Case in point: A few weeks later, I saw him again. We didn’t speak, but our cars were parked next to each other, and my Libra mother started talking to his younger brother. I came over and just sort of leaned against my car, only half-listening, until – voila – Liam came out of his car and stood right in front of me. Only about two feet away.

    And he stared. I was texting on my phone, pretending to ignore him, and I could very plainly feel his eyes on me. When I did look up, he quickly averted his gaze, and then resumed staring. It was so very blatant…I was really intrigued by that. Could he possibly like ME, of all people?

    We did have a lot in common, but we never saw each other much after that – just communicated over email. I found out he was dating his now ex-girlfriend three months later. It tore me up, really, though now I can’t say precisely why. I’d liked being the center of his focus over the summer, though.

    Fast-forward to December of that year. Another party. And again, we saw each other. And again, everywhere I went, he followed. He stared, I stared, and yet we didn’t speak. I didn’t even think he would have remembered me. I do recall feeling insanely jealous when two pre-teen girls started chatting with him, but he continued to look over at me, like: ‘Do you see me? Are you paying attention? Come over and talk.’ I don’t think he was very interested in those girls, but I didn’t talk to him, though I did go near him on purpose to see his reaction; he just….stared at me while I got a drink, and then returned to my seat.

    It felt good, actually, practically disobeying him. I can’t deny that πŸ˜‰

    He was still dating his girlfriend, though, which sort of turned me off…

    Anyway, those are the events that led up to our friendship and how it crashed and burned.

    Do you think he was interested?

  108. @Carmen: Well you should be proud!
    Nov. 21 1961 5:38am Washington DC
    Sun 28deg48′ SCO
    ASC 12deg10′ SCO
    Moon 16deg40′ TAU
    Mercury 15deg08′ SCO
    Venus 12deg50′ SCO
    Mars 5deg24′ SAG
    Jupiter 2deg30′ AQU
    Saturn 25deg36′ CAP
    Uranus 0deg24′ VIR
    Neptune 11deg41′ SCO
    Pluto 10deg00′ VIR
    MC 20deg00′ LEO North Node 22deg05′ LEO

  109. sure, in you and every other sexually desirable woman he sees. unless you actually had a relationship it means nothing. it’s just attraction. not always, but most people with prominent scorpio are extremely observant, and your game playing is easily recognizable. this puts you in the category of people not to take seriously. sounds like he likes to flirt too. that’s all!

  110. My Scorpio male friend of 18 years, “helped” me to see that I would be happier and healthier if I lost some weight. I have sprained my ankles several times, so having extra weight on me, hurts my ankles. I have lost some weight now, and my ankles feel much better. I really did not like him telling me that though. πŸ™‚

  111. quantum mechanics? well yeah, and those little particle/wave babies work in multidirectional movements.

    today i want to bless our planet with love, love, love….ad infinitum.

  112. The thing about Scorpios is that if they turn thier energies inward they show the worst. If they focus them outwards as into a pretection they shine.

  113. Thank you so much Elsa for this informative article on the power of Scorpio..and I also appreciate the many insightful comments and stories of other fellow readers speaking of their unique scorpionic journeys and influences throughout their lives..let us all delve a little deeper and soar ever so higher, shall we?

  114. hello i have no idea what the heck these r,any 1 mind interpreting them thnx in advance πŸ™‚
    nov,14,1983 6:00am iqaluit Canada
    Rising Sign is in 04 Degrees Scorpio
    Sun is in 21 Degrees Scorpio.
    Moon is in 11 Degrees Pisces.
    Mercury is in 00 Degrees Sagittarius.
    Venus is in 05 Degrees Libra.
    Mars is in 27 Degrees Virgo.
    Jupiter is in 15 Degrees Sagittarius.
    Saturn is in 08 Degrees Scorpio.
    Uranus is in 08 Degrees Sagittarius.
    Neptune is in 27 Degrees Sagittarius.
    Pluto is in 00 Degrees Scorpio.
    N. Node is in 16 Degrees Gemini.

  115. Wellll if you aren’t too old msg me, I’m scorp in venus and sun as well and am damn bored romantically. We would be far away bc my only possible goood job oppor at moment is in africa (major dough) but w st to look forward to I could push myself to learn spanish and stay here (my college minor wwas this but I never applied myself to it) if needed be. (I am still int tho I will say) anyway. If u are single and not terribly old bc I am 26..and see this fb me at dar curt (not my real last name ,did that to be cute) lol gawsh, late.

  116. Hi Elsa,
    I am a scorpio moon/virgo sun and pluto/aquarius rising with 8th house pluto. I have had a sister killing herself leaving behind one-year old twin daughters. Last August when pluto started transiting my 8th house, I lost someone I love. I have been taking care of my nieces (more my daughters now), also took care of my sick abusive father and a couple of aunts when they were sick; in short I am the healer/the emotionally responsible one in the family.

    I can sense pain and grief in other people. I sometimes reach out to strangers and this makes them uncomfortable. People tell me that they feel as my eyes can read their soul. Whenever someone hurts me deeply (I am sorry to say this), they suffer in return in some way even though I don’t wish it. I also believe I can heal people with my love, my touch. I was in a healing relationship where I helped someone really younger to overcome an illness involving bad depressive/suicidal tendencies. But my power, my intensity has made this person feel uncomfortable about being with me and he wants to be away from me.

  117. @ I concur: I talked about this on my post just now. Someone very close to me has been hurting me in a very deep, personal way and he’s suffering at the worldly front. I realized this very recently and told this person that he should stop hurting me if he wants to resolve his other problems. By the way,I love this person very much and would not want to hurt him. There have been numerous instances where this has happened without me consciously wishing someone ill. In fact I wouldn’t want to hurt even a fly, am pretty good with animals, am a natural healer of hurt and sick animals πŸ™‚

  118. Taurus here:

    I have dated exactly one (1) Scorpio woman and so help me God, I’ll never do it again. You can keep your ego, your drama and your nasty vindictive side to yourself. Wallow in it for all I care.

    As for the men? Known two so far and both of them turned out to be douchebags. One in particular screwed over a best friend of mine to the tune of $20,000.00. Yeah… Scorpios…pfft. You can have ’em.

    • Sorry, but not all Scorpio women are vindictive. I am divorced and have a friendly and respectful relationship with my ex-husband. He was the one that was not faithful. He is also the father of my daughter so I wish him well, as my daughter deserves to have a healthy and happy father. Are all Taurus’s alike? I do not think so. Well, the same goes for Scorpios.

  119. Thank you so much elsa.

    I think this is the main reason why we amputate. Giving energy kills us and we need to be reborn. If the energy taker isn’t giving anything back then why stick around?

    • Typical cold scorpio outlook. Nice!

      Perhaps the ‘energy taker’ you describe is in fact NOT taking but is being overpowered by your so called energy giving, probably didn’t even ask for your energy in the first place but you pour it out over the “chosen” from your own free will, yet unlike most other signs, you don’t do it altruistically, there are catches, motives and tests that go with it.

      It’s totally sick and vindictive to target a person who is ‘normal’, that is thinks with a mix of head/heart, in such a black/white manner then amputate them or constantly complain about how they have let you down when they don’t live up to your unrealistic expectations!

      I have found the two scorpio females I’ve known to be the same, they appear to be very giving and generous, and are, but it’s not truly giving because there is so much expected in return! It’s more like an energy loan and they want INTEREST on the repayment, and if you can’t simply because you are your own unique person, man will they make you pay. Via cruel, vindictive emotional torture and obstinate, almost childish twisting of situations to suit a deeply hurtful ‘sting’ outcome for them.

      A scorpio (female) is only capable of being nice while they think something is in it for themselves, be it the chance to mould you into their ideal man (an awful idea that should have died out years ago), using you for your status/power, or simply to leech every bit of emotional intensity out of you until you are bled dry, used up and discarded cos you can’t give any more.

      Scorpio are truly the most unforgiving creatures I’ve ever met and have no idea what ‘have a heart’ means. Most people who get angry and disagree will attempt to make things right before sunset, afterall life is too short, but scorpio? no way, they thrive on suffering, firstly their own imagined suffering over the smallest, least harm meant, slights which they amplify into massive problems/drama, then in time, the suffering of the ‘offender’. No matter how much the offender shows regret, sorrow, and apologises, the scorpio never lets it go. They constantly attack even in calm waters just when you assume peace is restored. They also seem to think only their hurt counts for anything, and that your hurt is something to be smiled at and discounted as irrelevant!

      The more you bleed for a scorpio the more they take advantage, it’s such a horrible and sad situation and surely they are the ones who, for all their bluster and so called ‘strength’, end up hurt most, through their own awful cold actions and lack of forgiveness. If you treat scorpio cold to ‘please’ them, they will show interest, but it’s not love, it’s not warmth, it’s all just another ego game and you will never win. YOu can’t win against someone who changes the rules every time you try to make peace. They are NEVER happy and blame everyone else for never being happy.

      Also they are very judgemental, they talk viciously about others to you, and no doubt about you to others yet act like angels to your face.

      I loved a scorpio woman for years, unconditionally, even through her faults and my own heartaches based on her actions and lack of fairness, and in the end I amounted to nothing more than a list of my flaws and a man emptied of all I had good in me (in her eyes) before she sucked me dry with her impossible to please personality.

      In summation Scorpio females are vindictive, possessive, jealous, paranoid, unforgiving, spiteful, cruel, stubborn and worst of all, absolute hypocrites. They can hurt you daily and it’s all part of ‘living’ yet you can accidentally upset them and apologise fast but be stung/reminded of your mistake every day for the rest of your life (if you allow it).

      You have to be a weak willed mo-fo to put up with the constant drama, nagging and domination of the scorpio female. If you have strong will of you own, forget it, because while most of us with strong will still know about a little thing called ‘compromise’ and posses altruism and compassion, the scorpio female doesn’t! Every good turn from them is a test to be repaid or noted as a ‘fail’ for use against you in the future, every attempt to appeal to their kind nature (which they occasionally show if they stand to gain from it) falls on deaf ears, and your own real pain is simply dismissed as histrionics, laughed at and ignored while their ‘pain’ over the most stupid or long forgotten (by most) reasons is what comes to define you in their eyes.

      Simply put, scorpio females are wonderful while they are getting something from you, but if you start to take control of yourself, back from them, they will simply discard you, make you feel worthless, and when you adapt and move on they will attempt to follow you, play to your heart , then hurt you over and over again without remorse or real sadness in their own actions.

      In essence, I will never trust a scorpio again as long as I live. I put all I had into the one I loved while also maintaining my own sense of self, I’m not a doormat, and eventually when they deemed it was time, they just cut you off then play hot/cold mindgames for nothing more than entertainment. They seem to not care one bit that others have hearts that can be hurt too, so long as they feel in control and the one causing the heartache they appear to be fine. They get off on being heart breakers while most of us normal people ‘get off’ on finding peaceful loving compromise and fun.

      Pisces man here telling it how it is, the most altruistic and compassionate/forgiving of all signs treated like absolute **** by a scorpio woman once she’d had all the goodness from me and saw my bad sides rear up through frustration and manipulation (tests) on her part.

      My warning is – do not trust a scorpio woman. She may not be intending to hurt you, but eventually she will and knowingly, and not care one bit that she does.

      • Hello Fishman,

        Sorry for the delay here. You see, my Scorpionic b-day is coming up, and suddenly I am reading this again! πŸ™‚

        What I was commenting on is that you are so hurt and angry @ Scorpio women, and speaking to the vindictiveness in a way that “mirrors” what you have experienced from them. You see, in a way you are also being vindictive as opposed to compassionate and understanding. It is human though, we all get hurt and when we are hurt we sometimes get angry in ways that are not let’s say very nice. As a human being you are entitled to your hurt and angry, that said you really “trashed” Scorpio women in your post, it is your right to express yourself, but not all Scorpio women are the same, as I am sure is true of Pisces. I have written similar things on others’ comments when what I consider to be overgeneralization to occur. That’s just me. Namaste passionate Pisces!!

  120. Hi Elsa,,
    I am a virgo male and I love a scorpio girl..
    She liked me so much but now started to say I am just a friend only..
    Recently she got successful in career and is surrounding her with lot of successful people and many boys among them too..
    she is freezing me out.. I didn’t even figured out whats going on yet..
    she used to say that “no one ever in her life loved her so much as I DO”..
    she was possessive of me,, like she didn’t wanted me having good time with other girls or taking any of them in my bike..
    she was so excited to see me every time before,, and was connected so much emotionally..
    I used to support her in every means possible to me..She says I was just an episode of her life and it is almost ended..
    At a point of time she said that in next birth we shall be together..
    Many times I sensed she giving me chances and giving notions..
    No talks from a couple of months.. It hurts deeply.. πŸ™ me too keeping silent since a hard talk she made.. told me she “JUST LIKE ME BUT DONT LOVE ME”..
    and added even if she has a little feeling for me,, it will be gone by a two or three years of time.. Like showing so much of maturity and knowledge..
    I just love her so much.. is there any way if she will come back.. What do I do…. πŸ™

      • Lovely Virgo male,
        I can tell from the way you write that you really loved her. She was lucky to have you. As a Scorpio woman, I can identify with being a hard worker and goal oriented. In my world, people make assumptions about this, and do not slow down to realize that whereas I have my strengths, I also have my needs and vulnerabilities. If there was true love between you, she made a mistake. I had two lovely relationships in my late teens early twenties. They were probably the best relationships I ever had. I broke up with both of them. It was not because I did not love them, it was because I just was not ready I was in fact really young. What I did not know back then, is that good, kind men who are capable of commitment do not happen that often. I am an accomplished woman but I am lonely as it is hard to meet people in general who are able and willing to tolerate the Scorpio intensity/sensitivity. This is not easy. Love can be difficult for Scorpios. One thing is for sure, as far as I am concerned to be able to love well, and be loved in return is the highest accomplishment for any human being.

  121. HI, this is a very old post so I’m not sure I’ll get a response. I’m a virgo girl who met and fell in love with a scorpio man then he cheated and I decided to take him back and give it another go but I just couldn’t trust him and he said that he only wanted a casual relationship as it wasn’t working. Stupidly I went along with this as I was too scared to lose him. This went on for a while until I couldn’t take it anymore as he was looking for another girlfriend. Also around this time he had been writing mean things about me on twitter so I confronted him about this and asked him to stop. He replied to me on twitter saying he didn’t want to be with me and didn’t want to be friends. It really hurt and that was last communication I’ve had since then (nearly 3 months ago).

    I can’t get over him and have been checking what he’s writing on twitter and he’s spent the last few months pointed out all of the things he doesn’t like about me and at times saying things like you’re my one true love but I know I can’t change etc. However, I know that he’s in another relationship so why is he playing these mind games. Is it just that he hates me and is getting some sadistic pleasure from the thought that i will hurt me if I read it. Because he’s made the comments in a subtle way if I confronted him he would deny it and say I’m paranoid.

    I’m so hurt and want to confront him. Also despite all of this I still have very strong feelings for him. I think I made the mistake of letting him know I had such strong feelings.

    If anyone has any advice that would be great. I realise that I don’t have to read what he writes and have stopped.

  122. Umm freaky or what? Old post from 2009, two posts above from last 30 days …. one is a scorp male in love with a virgo girl, the next one is a virgo female in love with a scorp male.

  123. I have Scorpio Sun and Mercury and I’ll say that never ending energy is the basis for my life. Although my Moon in Capricorn keeps me in check sometimes I “let loose” and it’s just an other worldly experience for other people, but I’m just having fun. Like an actor who has to be the Villain of an intense crime scene or the Hero who jumps from building tops…I’ll stay contained for now (Moon) but when the time is needed or to help the power of Scorpio Sun will shine through and rescue the world from the tragedy that lays bestowed upon her. β™₯

  124. My father is a Scorpio and he is the biggest asshole I have ever met. Judgmental, selfish, manipulative, secretive, controlling, two-faced. He is nearly incapable of empathy which is odd because he is intuitive. People who don’t know him well say he is happy and enjoyable to be around because he keeps his horribly dark interior hidden from most. I am an aquarius.

    • Yep! sounds exactly like the scorps I’ve known (female).

      They are borderline criminals with what they do to people’s hearts without mercy. And we stupidly give them that power in the first place.

      Scorpio are nothing without other people to use. Remember that and avoid.

  125. I’m bookmarking this to visit it and reread when necessary. I think I’ve had more friends/lovers who are Scorpios. I’m drawn to them without knowing it. I find them to be very unique, they often make their own rules, and are very compassionate. Quirky, yes. I’m an Aqua, with Pluto in 1H 10Β° to my AC and hits alot of my planets. Anyway I don’t know if thats it or not but i appreciate tham and this is a great article for me to keep in mind.

  126. Hello Angry,

    I am known a few Scorpio men who I really do not respect. Some get stuck at a really low level of evolution.

  127. Hey Elsa and All,

    I guess I’ve been lucky in Pluto’s realm, with an 8th House retrograde Pluto in Virgo (discerning, analytical self-analysis, deep insights into others, which includes recognising shadow energies), Scorpio MC and 10th House, together with an 11th House Scorpio.

    I totally get where you’re coming from. The assumption that Scorpio = bad news is both correct and incorrect; it depends on your personal views/perspective/model of the world. Self-transformation isn’t a Disney affair, from personal experience, but neither is it all doom, gloom, jealousy, hatred, etc.

    Pluto/Hades is domination power, covert control and compulsion. It’s consuming passion, vitality, intensity…blah, blah, blah πŸ˜‰

    Plutonic power just ‘is’. The distinction for me is what we do with that power.

  128. I rather have a good scorpio in my life than a Libra, Sagittarius or Gemini. At least with a scorpio I know what I am getting and despite their intensity I can handle them. My son is Leo with Scorpio rising and he can have the most interesting conversations. I guess I like the “in your face” attitude and honesty of scorpions and I am an aries rising aries with moon in pisces.

    • Gemini tends to be duplicitous, Saggitarius tends to lie and manipulate due to feeling entitled. Yet not all are the same. Based on my experiences as a loyal, honest Scorp who will tell the ugly truth rather than be a hypocrite, I have become suspecious of Leo, Gemini, and Saggitarius. I have had some nice connections with Libra, but just like Gemini, there is a possibility for duplicitous behaviors on the one hand, and to tolerage ambiguities as well. Notice the two-sidedness to what I write? As a 50 year-old Scorp, I have learned that people are imperfect, few people are 100% trustworthy, we all make mistakes.

      • Oh, and Leos love the spotlight so much, they at times will do just about anything to be under its influence. Yet who is completely defined by anything at all? We are all multi-faceted.

  129. All i know is pisces man is to weak for us scorps..they promise you the world whrn really all they do is create dramas for nothing. Im proud to be a a kind giving person but do not tolerate bllshit from anyobe..once i cut you off you are toast..if you are a good friend who is loyal i will lay down my life for you

    • @scorpiogirl1137 – you would know all about creating drama from nothing. You (scorpio gals) can’t stand peace for too long and invent drama at will just to ‘test’ relationships, see reactions and continually feel worthy of the bs you put us through.

      Pisces man is far from weak, mutable water is lethal and will adapt to any situation. Do not confuse a big heart and deep emotions for weakness, you betray your water sign with that POV. Maybe you just knew weak men in general? I wouldn’t take BS from my scorpio girl but I would stick with her through thick and thin, something she couldn’t do after she grew bored, after her drama and histronics, her emotional manipulations bounced off me. No other male type would stand for that, pisces man puts up with it because we actually understand scorpio more but there comes a point where you’ll push us too far and find out we are far from weak. Scorpio would rather bury their head in the sand at that point and pretend they don’t care while in reality they’ll care for the rest of the lives but are not brave (like pisces is!) to actually admit to it.

      BTW once pisces cuts you off, you are way less than toast.

  130. Oh boy.

    I’ve read through this whole thread
    and have felt a lot of positive and negative
    vibes for and against Scorpios. Okay, I am one
    and I’ve always polarized people. Thankfully, I try to
    be as positive with people as I can and give
    happiness without expecting anything in return.

    I can be arrogant, annoying, intolerable, and
    downright adamant too. However, I’ve learned to
    get these out of myself as much as I can. I hope,
    above all, I turn out to be a good human being.

    Cheers to life! πŸ™‚

  131. Was super happy to come across this article, as Scorpio/8th house/Pluto influence (especially in the heavier doses,) does tend to get a lot of flack.

    I’m not gonna be biased and act like only those with these influences are the most and only loyal, but in my dealings with it in others and having it in myself (Ascendant, Pluto, and Moon all conjunct in Scorpio,) it does give me a good feel into it. However, I’ve come to find that these are people who will stick with those they have entrusted like no other. What gets them the flack is that once they’ve been brutally burned, they’re stinger will ignite and things can get pretty nasty and volatile. It comes across as they’re betraying and just being hurtful to those who they got a long with before because we were so giving before, but once hurt we can hurt back; people who use us again and again have a way of not liking that.

    The biggest thing with this energy is that there’s such a potent presence to the aura around someone who carries these trademarks astrologically. It has a way of getting extremely strong reactions out of people. Speaking from experience, it leaves me on the other end often times feeling extremely powerful, but also very insecure. We are people with emotions and feelings just like any other, and that seems to be disguarded with others a lot with us.

    • ” it leaves me on the other end often times feeling extremely powerful”

      Well, that statement really sums up ‘scorpio’ doesn’t it? How anyone can feel power from another’s pain is beyond me. If I hurt someone, I hurt too. I don’t get off on someone chasing me or showing that they are genuinely upset by my coldness, or absence. Instead I feel their pain and consider it in with my own. If (my) one time scorpio girl had been in pain I’d never have felt power and I’d never turn my back on her even if in truth I didn’t want to be with her, or she annoyed me to the point It wouldn’t work out (unsuitable/badly matched). Yes I’m probably too soft at times like that but if someone is at least acting like they are genuinely upset by me then I feel nothing but remorse, no power.

      I’ve seen (scorpio women) smiling at this power they feel, without realising it’s not some power they have, they steal it in some respects – given freely on the same terms we assumed they were on, mutual love and concern. The only shock in this is how a person (scorpio) can be so emotional, almost needy at times and down right difficult with the most intense mood swings until you are convinced they REALLY DO mean it when they talk of undying love only to find you were just another chapter in their book of life, a book they seem all to happy to believe is only about themselves and to hell with whoever else’s heart they destroy and abandon along the way. It’s not that they are not allowed to move on, anyone is, but that they play you like a fool until they get your undying commitment and once they have you there they have STOLEN your power and you are no longer a challenge. Then if some shit hits the fan, you will more than easily be thrown away and treated as if you never existed.

      Honestly it’s the most wicked and cruel thing in the world to do that to a human, for human errors and faults. Everything can be talked through, every one deserves the right to not be treated so cruely when the ‘problem’ that causes the rift is exactly two way and both parties to blame (and actually mostly trivial stuff).

      I won’t ever trust a word from a scorpio woman’s mouth until the day I die. I’ll stick with a fellow pisces who know about true compassion and are the least cruel people on the earth.

      • Loved reading your insight and opinions, but I think you may have taken what I said out of context. I didn’t mean the Scorpio energy was directly and purposefully taking others power, rather the own embodied power that they bestow from their strong sense of self.

        It sounds like you’ve been burned before from a Scorpio, and understandably have the right to be upset, but that’s not EVERY Scorpio influenced person. That’s someone, who yes, is taking the qualities of the archetype and operating out of it’s lower expression.

        Every sign and aspect of astrology, Pisces included by the way, have their higher octave and lower octave of operating. I’ve found it’s about integrating each side of both and finding middle ground and balance between the polarities.

        Another tidbit to throw in, I wouldn’t say a Scorpio typically feels power from someone else’s pain (unless the individual is just kinda f****d,) but that they have an icy exterior when someone else has hurt them and then they have to pull the chord and leave that person behind. To the person who has been left behind, yeah, it could very well be painful, but they may have had it coming. Of course this is just one instance and example, though.

        • Thank you for this. I am a Leo with Scorpio Ascendant and Pices moon and a whole bunch of Cancer in other places with a couple of Earth signs and no air signs in there at all.

          I am incredibly sensitive and astute for subtle changes in my environment – especially when it comes to reading other people. I recently got somewhat involved with a Gemini who acted very two-faced and cold to me. What did I do?

          I posted an obtuse but obvious poem on Facebook to a limited audience for just an hour. I do not know if he saw it or not, but I am having to pull the plug and disengage. I am all heart and passion and sensitivity. I don’t do well with head games and head types who function lower on the feeling levels.

          I am not very good at keeping up facades of decorum so when I see him again, my style will be to avoid him unless I have to talk to him and feel incredibly intense about the whole thing for probably another year.

          I normally worry about everyone else getting hurt – everyone but me – and then I end up getting hurt because I thought should be nice when I should have walked away and not been as polite. But I don’t suffer fools for very long anymore.

          They tend to know it when I’m finally gone and come sniffing around again at some point. Half the time I don’t know what they want, but feel my energy is being drained. So I look for people now who are a bit more conscious and more deeply connected to something bigger than themselves, their games, and their needs.

      • You speak about Scorpio women as if we are all heartless narcissictic sociopaths. It does not work that way, nothing is that absolute!! Still I am sorry you have been so hurt and disappointed.

      • “If I hurt someone, I hurt too” – as an 8th house, Scorpio-loving (well, gah, come on who wouldn’t… no, not each and every last one, but really, most are fine. The exceptions are just that.) person, this is true for me.

        I’m currently discovering Pisces energy, Pisces Mars of a Scorpio AC man. He says things much like you do here, Pisces Man.

  132. yeah may have had it coming, but perhaps the scorpio had it coming too but pisces found it easier to forgive relatively trivial things in preference for protecting the other person’s feelings. πŸ™‚

    In other words, had [ insert anonymous piscean man with violins playing πŸ˜‰ ] done the ‘moving on’ when hurt, the scorpio wouldn’t ever have given them a day’s peace. The tears would be ten fold, the anger too, the knives would come out (from the scorpio), but you know, with pisces at least the worst kind of hurt for us is thinking we walked away from someone we did still care about and who may care about us, and leaving them in some kind of pain – so we don’t. Sure we can be cold and switch off (and do eventually) especially if pushed beyond even our legendary limits, but in that moment when ‘love’ is spoken of as being eternal, pisces doesn’t doubt it and doesn’t revoke it based on the material every day world – in fact nothing shy of total betrayal (adultery/affairs) would cause us to turn out back coldly on someone we genuinely care about, even if just ‘as a friend’. Yes scorpio was hurt, yes possibly even more than I was but it was over understandable stresses not evil motives or even actions of will – emotional instability both sides brought on by passion, insecurity and mild paranoia and some other mitigating factors I won’t bore everyone about haha…

    Anyway, I know a few scorpio females now and I like them as friends, I think they can be very straight talking and when they are warm they are beautiful, but when they are cold? ugh.. also they definitely live on ego more than pisces and that’s why we clash. especially when they apply their thinking to our actions, as if we do X,Y,Z based on why they would do it (ego, power, flirtation, attention). Not to say scorpio is the worst for that – no, leo, gemini, many others are worse but it’s the one bad side of scorpio that clashes with a true, spiritual altruistic piscean in an otherwise beautiful combination. That and not taking pisces feelings seriously when ‘accidentally’ surrounding themselves with members of the opposite sex (but watch out if YOU/PISCES does that – drama from nowhere, scathing, hurtful words over totally innocent actions… you know the score).

    And no pisces isn’t perfect either, we are confused and confusing but we have a massive heart that is UNCONDTIONAL. Scorpio has too many damn rules for my liking and I don’t play power or mind games with anyone. I’d rather switch off than waste my life playing games. Either way, still wouldn’t turn my back, but when scorpio does – finally – there is very little concern for the shock, pain and bereavement feeling they cause in those that were their closest companions. They talk good when in love at first, but when they get bored or too stressed it seems they have to find new sources of energy, having ‘ruined’ the one they just drained from the balls up. πŸ™‚

    good day to you.

    • It seems you have your mind made up on all Scorpios in the world, huh? If they’re that bothersome then why spend so much of your energy and attention focusing on thinking about them? That’s one thing I love about them…it’s so hard to stop thinking about them. They just have that affect on people.

      Don’t get me wrong, I’ve had some ill experiences with other Scorp. influenced people, but nothing to extreme. I just know I’ve dished out some crappy cards to past lovers, but a lot of it has to do with Scorpios having a lot of trust issues because we’ve been so burned in the past.

      I know a lot about the Pisacan world as my ex was a MAJOR Pisces. Loved her to Pisces, and your right, they do have an unconditional heart and outpouring of love, but they can’t go around blaming everyone for their hurts because of stupidly wearing rose colored glasses all of the time. No one forces them to stay in an abusive relationship, that’s they’re choice…and that just goes for anybody. As much as I love Pisces, the one I dated was EXTREMELY manipulative and had excessive lying problems, but that won’t make me label every Pisces that way. That was her and her persona to have.

      As a Scorpio, I know we can be extremely defensive and on the edge a lot of the time and will get pissed when our partners cross the boundaries of what we think is okay and often times have a lot of power and control issues to work through, but when you look on the other side of the coin they can be the most loyal lover you’ll find when you find one that’s worked through their issues and is in a good place. Without sounding biased, a Scorpio knows it’s boundaries and a Pisces doesn’t a lot of the time. That’s not a Scorps fault that a Pisces hasn’t learned when to draw the line…

      Either way, they’re both water signs and do trine with one another. I think they can be a fabulous combo when in resonation and good standing. I personally do love Pisces. Having a lot of Virgo influence I seem to heavily attract them into my life to balance me out haha

    • Piscesman,

      Here is a link about the stages of Scorpio development. I learned this quite a while ago. Early development Scorpios can be very “black and white” but this can change. That said, not all Scorpios choose a path of evolution, the passion and sexuality/sensuality can trap some. I remember my earlier Scorpio stages and can say that I am both the same, yet very different as a result of my growth. I have had a lot of pain, but fortunately, it has not “destroyed” me and has helped me become more compassionate.

      I hope you find this helpful.

  133. well I certainly don’t lie. Far from it. As for manipulative? we all are a bit but in many cases it’s to retain a peace not to gain an upper hand.

    One thing scorpio do do a lot and don’t seem aware of, they blame everyone and everything else for their problems and are extremely stubborn in seeing the big picture, or another’s point of view. Great for business, not so hot when dealing with personal relationships that are meant to be give and take. Generous yes, loving yes, romantic sure but very often all dictated on their own terms. In control and that’s that. If anyone stands up to that then you get conflict, drama, mood swings. Pisces is good at standing up to scorpio, one of few that can/do. We see through scorpios harsh exterior and can reflect back both the good and bad. If a scorpio dishes it out (flirtation, jealousy causing, moods, domination) then a pisces male worth his salt will stand his ground and reflect it, for his and their good. Scorpio claims to want this kind of man who can stand up to them but I think it’s an act, they want to get their own way ultimately in everything and like a pretence of ‘battle’ when really it’s gonna be their way or no way. And that is frankly what really fucks me off, because I can yield and compromise due to having a heart that puts others before myself (to a point) while many (maybe not all) scorpio females appear to have you like some kind of puppet.. devoted while it suits them, as long as their emotional support is coming, so long as they can prod, tease and cause insta-drama from literally NOTHING and you basically have to not insult or get ‘too angry’ with them (like children). If you do? you are toast! They find it hard to understand human nature in respect of transient dramas and fail to forgive far more than most signs. If that is the sense of power you spoke of, when you get a reaction when you suddenly switch the rules on someone who trusted you to be ‘the way you claimed to be’ then frankly it’s still cruel, it’s also cowardly because it gains power through acting and guarding your true selves.

    SO yes scorpios can be very sweet, beautiful people and are without doubt one of the better signs on this earth but I really think they should temper some of their less altruistic sides with a touch more humility and compassion. What they see as ‘power gain’ has possibly just left someone scarred for life for doing nothing more than entering into the spirit of a relationship that was said to be equal.

    Cutting off/amputation as scorpios do is just one step down the selfish ladder from suicide and leaving loved ones with many unanswered questions. WOrse in many ways when they pile loads of BLAME onto you while (pisces) only tries to remind/remember the good in the other person to part ways with.

    And you won’t ever be on the end of that as you are a different person to a pisces, you’ll genuinely pack your heart away and not give a fuck way before you even let the other person know – they will always be playing catch up having taken your deep words at face value, via trust – the same trust you rarely ever could keep more than a day or two in the other person.

    Anyway I don’t know you, nor all scorpios obviously but I learned a lot about them in my 5 years with one and the ones that remain in my life.

    They are still one of my favourite signs, and pisces is sadly compatible with few signs as it is but I guess scorpios (esp female) to male pisces have to trust more, treat them with more respect and watch their feelings more – do not treat pisces like you’d treat leo or something, test all the other men daily if you have to, disbelieve their romantic words, fight with them weekly to feel ‘renewed’, that’s fine with other signs but with pisces? it’s BS you had no need to be that way, you already had our loyalty and our bond. Problem is you very likely didn’t even want it, just some attention and power – so the cycle continues.

    BTW I’m aware I’m talking to a man here not a woman and can’t say I know much about male scorpio’s but I do know one who other than his week long moods with his wife is a very kind generous friendly guy to know. And I like scorpio girls as friends now only. I can’t trust them again. Luckily I don’t need to as I’m now in a long term beautiful relationship with a warm, kind pisces girl who never plays games and doesn’t need to ‘test’ me, hence rarely any undue drama and stress.

    life story over. Peace.

    • I’ve really enjoyed bantering back and forth on this actually, it’s always cool to get different perspectives on the signs and how a lot of factors come into play.

      Happy to hear you’ve found a compatible match who seems to be providing what you need and vice versa.

      Just always remember that generalizing a group of people based on their sun sign or any aspect of the chart isn’t cool.

      I would not be surprised if the Scorpio you were with for those 5 years had some of kind of conflicting and detriment type of aspects being made in her chart from other planets that may have contributed to that. As always, our astrological placements don’t keep us from free will and just personal experiences from life which contribute to our persona. A lot of the time, the astrology can just be a catalyst for some of our behavior.

      Peace be with you.

  134. As a Scorpio,in my opinion ,we are the pittbull’s of society who are hugely misunderstood,not all of us are vicious,unpredictable,or just mean in general,just give us a chance and you’ll get LOVE AND LOYALTYfor an eternity,I hope this makes sense

    • I think that without help, without some way of regulating that Scorp intensity we can be quite self-destructive, and hurt our relationships as well. I am Scorp,have my Venus in Libra, and prefer being respectful and kind. If I lose it, or walk away from a relationship it is because I have been pushed way beyond my limits. Again, my preference is to be kind and gentle, but I will draw the line when I have to. If I lose it and behave in a mean manner, I really just do not like myself afterward.

  135. Thanks for this post Elsa, as always you post provocative themes for conversation, and so with that said, here’s my 2-pence worth while sitting on my the couch in my living room in Nottingham, drinking strong black coffee (with a couple o’ brown sugar cubes), and listening to Radio Paradise (CA) :{D

    After reading a fair number of comments from fellow Scorpionic folk – I count myself in that transformative lot, with Pluto in the 8th House in Virgo, opposing the Sun in 2nd House Pisces, together with Pluto ruling both the 10th and 11th Houses, and top that off with Pluto ruling the decan where my Sun’s located. Old Dis Pater reaches out across my natal horoscope, so the theme is pretty much ‘evolve or die’. I guess that applies to us all in various ways, right?

    As a therapist, I take a look at myself, and consider the possibility that I ‘identify’ with those Scorpionic/Plutonian traits in natal chart. It’s a bit of a paradox, in that we’re required to live our Sun’s ideal (queue “The Hero’s Journey”) qualities, which requires us to at least, in part, identify with those qualities, e.g. “I am a 2nd House Sun Pisces and therefore I…”. I don’t think, nor intuit, this applies, much as Pluto’s power may be evident in a person’s chart. We are far more than the sum total of a set of aspects, and the Sun points the way towards that potential for transcendence.

    What helped me to make sense of my life-path, of the choices I’d made, of the what and how…and I live in hope to know the why too…was and is familiarising myself with the Draconic chart.

    Have an awesome day!

  136. Found this article browsing for some info on Scorpio men. Looks like it’s been inactive but hopefully I can get some help.

    I have Virgo sun and Scorpio Venus and am currently dating a Scorpio sun/Scorpio Venus. Is this a good match astrologically? I can’t figure out if he really likes me or not. He was 100% on in at first, then became distant for a week. We still talk but I am wondering if his interest has diminished. But I don’t know why it would. Out dates were progressing, until under last time when it became quite intense physically (no, we haven’t had sex yet), at which point he has withdrew. Any tips would be appreciated!

    • lol This thread always pops up. It won’t die and it’s a great source! A lot depends on the make up of your charts. He is doing the very Scorpio thing by going away for a while. He may be trying to porcess all his feelings. It’s not you. Just let him have his space. Don’t push. It won’t work. There is A LOT of Scorpio info on this blog.

      • Allie, thank you for your reply. But how would I know if it’s him really doing “need my space” thing or if he has just lost his interest? I can’t stand ambiguity, especially when it’s a new relationship. I don’t date multiple people so when I like someone, I drop everyone else and focus on that person. But if I just sit here and wait for him to come around, that’s pretty much a waste of time, especially if he is really not all that interested in pursuing a relationship with me.

        How can I let him know about my feelings and that it doesn’t feel OK to be left in the dark and him disappearing?

  137. Yes, I am. I clicked to Add Topic and was able to type topic’s name and there was Add description section, so I added my text in there but when I clicked “Post” at the bottom, I got a message that I didn’t enter anything. ???

    • The description is an optional field. You can write a subtitle there if your like. Your actual post should go in the box below. Sorry it’s confusing!

  138. OK just did. I had to use a different browser, IE didn’t let me type anything in the text box. I would appreciate it if you could look at it. I assume you know how to read charts? I posted it in the Relationships Section. Really need some guidance πŸ™ Thank you in adcance, Elsa!

  139. Scorpios scare me, I feel they will dim my light as a Gemini, but I am a Gemini Sun with a Scorpio Rising and that scares me the most. My mine can go to deep dark places but I believe being a Gemini helps bring me back to the light.

    • Your Scorpio rising energy can help you to find depth, meaning and richness in your life. If you reject it, you will not benefit from it. I am a Scorp with Libra influences, I love how they come together in my life.

  140. Being a Scorpio female, I have NEVER had someone understand me so easily. I try to be the most giving, faithful and caring individual I can be. Naturally. But if the person I am caring for or love hurts me in any way I will without thought burn them down with no remorse.
    I see right through people and will call them on their BS as well as acknowledge their strong traits. I prefer to be alone a lot of the time because I feel so strongly the pain of other sand if I’m unable to help them it drains me. Nearly to depression. So I go into my shell and regenerate (about1-2 days). When I’m ready to conquer the world again I come out guns blazing.
    I am very social and nonjudgmental. I’m popular but do not seek nor enjoy the limelight. All I need is a good novel and a decadent snack and I’m happy.
    I can’t say I’d kill for my friends and family, my spiritual and moral compass would not allow that, but I will tear you down. ex: my ex is currently rebuilding his life and ego after cheating, not physically, on me. He did it to himself.
    I’m often told there is an irresistible aura about me. So sometime I keep people at a distance just to avoid them becoming too attached. Outside of my inner circle that is.

    -just a little piece of me

    “I get so sick of hearing what the Scorpio did TO you. Ever think about what they did FOR you? Like maybe brought you back to life for example???” so very true.

    thank you


    Wow….this is some kind of thread. HA! Y’all sure are passionate about the Scorpio’s you’ve known.

    It’s flattering. Love us or hate us you don’t forget us teehee…..

    5 planets in Scorpio with an old handle of ScorpioandProud (or S&P for short) but changed it as it seemed to bother some people…so now I am just a big ol’ bowl of Soup…and don’t mind being one a bit!

    I have never felt so hated and popular in my life hahahaha…. this thread is what??? 6 years old. I love love love it!!!!!!!!

    I will agree with the haters. If necessary you will be stung to death and die and wish you’d never met us. And thank you to the people who understand that we would walk through hell and high water to get to you if we love you!!

    You are actually all correct depending on the age of the Scorpio you are dealing with. Factor in the way they were raised and the other planets in their charts too…. but sure…I will sting you to death and bury you in the yard if you F with me. And sure I will love you forever and do what I can all of my life to lift you up if you are my friend or family. So.

    Fucked in the head? hahahaha naw, don’t let us off that easy, but I would look at us side-eyed too if you’re up to no good πŸ™‚

  142. Well I am sorry you feel that way ~~ really??. I was just being silly as this thread has gone on for at least 6 years. Okay, I am demented. A real first class lunatic.

    Of course someone has broken my heart. Someone has broken everyone’s heart.

    HAHA crazy ass side eye….

    Did you say {‘like, wtf’} ??? lol….

    If you actually followed the boards you would know I was just being silly. Come on….lighten up.

    I don’t think we do this here at EP…if you would like to continue please inbox me, email me, facebook me, instagram me or ….call me. πŸ™‚ I would love to talk to you πŸ™‚

    For goodness sake don’t attack me from behind a computer screen. Please step forward and speak to me about how you feel directly. Not on an astrology board.

    • Ohhh k.

      I do not follow these boards. I came across this one while looking something up. Now, if I offended you I apologize. I dont know you BUT from your op I’d probably stay away from someone with those qualities.

      I prefer to socialize in person. Not online.

      Take care!

  143. I am no longer sure who I am replying to. I was responding to the person with the handle “really??” below my silly comment.

    Either way I was just being silly. There is even a comment above calling Scorpio criminal. We all know that you can’t lump everyone into a giant bucket because of their sun sign.

    I can tell you I run a compassion based business. I’ve raised two awesome young men. I am helping to raise three beautiful little girls and take care of an elderly mother. I have been married to a sweet and caring Pisces forever.

    We can all be a little crazy now and then. But I have no history of ever in my life hurting a fly. And I have no record ….not even a traffic ticket.

    It’s not fair that all Scorpio’s get thrown into a big lump and described as crazy and will hurt you. I think Elsa had it right above. Read it again. If you’ve come across a Scorpio sun that has hurt you please don’t decide that the whole world of them are hideous. I know one right now that is taking care of her whole family while her husband is barely hanging on with cancer.

    I have been burned by Aqua more than once. But I also know a few that have held my hand in crisis. So, I just cant lump them all into the evil pile. We are just different. And long term have a hard time as a couple for sure.

    I sure hope everyone has a chance to meet the kind of Scorpio Elsa is referring to. If you do, you will change your mind. I wish I could apologize for all the bad Scorpio encounters anyone has had. But, I cant. I didn’t do those things to anyone.

    I can tell you this….. a person with Scorpio Asc. and Scorpio Mars and any other sun or planets in their birth chart has been the hardest for me to deal with. No Scorpio sun….Scorpio mars or Asc. I’ll be they are not all that way but that has been my toughest personality to deal with to date.

  144. Wow!
    There is so much Scorpio bashing going one here!! Scorpio men are awful, Scorpio women are awful, so on and so forth, blah, blah, blah!! You know there is only so much that you can blame on the stars. Horrible Scorp or not, and the supposed “victims,” how about taking responsiblity? You can be born under any sign, and be a jerk or not. As a Scorpio, I can honestly say that there are plenty of times that I wish I were something else, like a Capricorn or a Libra. As a Scorp, I can honestly say, I have faced a lot of pain, losses, and I have not known Scorps who have had easy lives. I suppose that we are just burden bearers. Although the intensity feels really painful at times, other times I enjoy the depth and multi-dimensionality of my experiences. More often than I’d like I feel lonely, as most people just cannot handle the intensity, but you get used to it, and you learn how to handle it and sty hopeful about life, people, relationships. I have chosen to distance from some important people in my circle, and I can understand how some people might think me a jerk for it. Well, that is their prerogative, we all have our emotional reactions/responses. I may not like it, I might think it is unfair, yet everyone has rights to their feelings. Poor behavior, well, that is something lese. All that said, we all, as far as I am concerned have the task and responsibility of developing ourselves! This means trying to be a better person in whatever form this might take. Some of us need to learn to reflect more. Some of us need to take more action. Some of us need to learn to tolerate vulnerability and some of us need to learn to be more empowered. If somebody hurts you, this is a mirror for who you are! If we do not use this tool for growth, that is, reflecting on why we might attract certain types of problems into our lives, we are stuck, there is limited or no development or transcendence! Regardless of our “signs” we will attract certain issues that reflect the inner workings of our emotional/psychological lives. That is, unresolved issues will raise “their heads” in the form of problems in our relationships unless they are brought into the light or examination and elucidation. The “victim” will attract bullies, and the “bully” will attract victims. Power management, our own personal power, our empowerment, and balance with our receptivity, human vulnerability and such. Take a look at those mirrors!

    LOL!! Ir is truly amazing how long this thread has been alive and well, and still provoking such PASSION!! πŸ˜€

    • Me, replying to my entry: Wow, this has a lot of typos, I must have been in a state when I wrote this. I really do not like typos, are Scorps perfectionistic? I had the urge to figure out how to get back into that entry and correct those pesky typos, am I obsessing a bit? Methinks I am, like a true Scorp, oh well. πŸ˜‰

  145. I am basically a very affectionate person, but am very careful about who receives it, as there have been quite a few betrayals in my life. I do notice that when I decide to walk away from a relationship, it hurts me, but quite a few times, it has hurt the other person more. This is sad. Betrayal is a deal-breaker for me, as I am very loyal. These days I am working on improving my understanding of this issue.

  146. I have been commenting on this thread for several years now. Today, I saw a message on my e-mail, and decided to check out what has been going on. Well, I have never seen such negativity and negative blanket statements about Scorpio. Some of the negativity has bordered on hatred and absolutism. As a result, I have gone back and responded to quite a few comments. As a Scorp it makes me really sad that some people have such negative, destructive attitudes. I am out for a while, had no idea. WOW!

  147. hey there :
    I have a problem, I wish you can help me understand what’s going on !
    I am a Leo, I got married to a Libra 9 years ago, unfortunately will lost passion & love 3 years back, but we got a baby boy “he’s 2 now”so we decided to stay together for the sake of the baby ” which is worth doing”cause we highly respect each other & it’s good for him I believe.

    the thing is which may sound weird to people , since 5 years , each year I meet a Scorpio female around april- may months, 100% not intentionally & without bringing up the leo-scorpio thing , we hock up for around 2-3 weeks “I know it’s wrong” then end up hating each other ,,, longest period was 2 months & it was serious … anyway, it happened again this year , I met someone last week, i found out that she’s a Scorpio just this morning, she’s different , I can’t explain what happening , what are the chances for this to happen every year … honestly I can’t understand it …can you help me out ?

  148. Natalie writes, “If somebody hurts you, this is a mirror for who you are! If we do not use this tool for growth, that is, reflecting on why we might attract certain types of problems into our lives, we are stuck, there is limited or no development or transcendence!”
    Wow. What a great observation. I can use that. Thanks!

  149. Like a scorpio this thread keeps getting resurrected. I appreciate your point of view on scorpio energy a lot elsa. It’s what brought me to your blog and it’s helped me immensely in my journey to self discovery and self acceptance.

    I’m not a scorpio but I’m sun conjunct pluto and scorpio stellium. I feel like the bad guy a lot. And I’m cool with that. I’ve accepted it. It’s kind of like my purpose or something. But it’s nice to be appreciated every once in a while. It’s a good reminder to me that i can be destructive but I can also be nurturing and healing. Sometimes it’s so hidden that I can’t even see it. Many times actually. Looking at it this way has helped me realize that I can direct my energy to help people and that I can actually be positive force in others lives ! What a revelation for me.

    So grateful.

  150. Nobody wants to be blamed but bad guy can be kind of a cool role if played right. It’s more like “bad-ass rakish guy” who everyone thinks is up to no good just because of who he is and how he affects others in their gut.

  151. What would you say about a sun,moon,venus, mercury and pluto in scorpio guy with a gemini ascendant? I was(yes, it is a “was”,as I recently decided to move on from this relationship)completely fucked up. He is emotionally unstable, fickle minded..doesn’t know what does he want from life, or from a relationship. Not able to get over his bad past (we all have bad pasts, and mine was even worse then him). Always playing mind games..will want devotion from you, but they are wandering for better options themselves, keeping you on pedestal. It started on a very passionate and intense note, but only for a week. After that it was all shallow…there was no deep connection. No bonding, no expression at all. I have burnt my fingers and learnt my lessons. No scorpios for me now. Btw,I am a capricorn woman, moon in taurus,mars in virgo, venus in aquarius, ascendant libra.

  152. Ahaha- I’m just recalling once-upon-a-time when I worked with two Scorpio males. One was just infatuated with me- you know what I mean: staring and calling and whispering sexy things and checking out my butt and whatnot. I didn’t really have any feelings for him at all, but I have to say, it made the work day a lot more interesting to anticipate what he was going to do each day. I was like a spy, watching a spy. Tehe. Anyway, guess who the only person in the entire office was who caught on to our secret flirting? Lol-the other Scorpio, of course. No one else caught on. Even our bosses were like, “somethings gotten into him.” “So n so seems in an unusually good mood today” Hahaha (I’m just laughing my ass off inside, cause I know why) The Scorpio who had caught on, would just walk by with this huge grin on his face. Lol. Scorpios LOVE being secretive. I love it too, (8H) nothing beats what’s forbidden.

  153. Elsa, so frequently, you nail the matter you’re addressing. This blog post has gotten so very many replies, because what you write is what you mean. Thank you. Hugely. πŸ™‚

      • Coming up to my birthday, 8th house Sun… for me is a time of recognizing who has been giving me what matters most. I just want you, Elsa, to know, I’m so happy to have the opportunity to read what you think… just making sure that you know how deeply/widely I hold your work here in high esteem. πŸ™‚

  154. Cancer female currently dating a scorpio man. We argue quite a bit since the third week into our relationship…but we are still together. I believe if there is a will there is way. Hes Very jealous vindictive etc kind of man. Well we have a baby boy and well in feb. 2015 we broke (i broke up with him). Then i wanted to make things work but he was having doubts… i broke up with him cuz he was always out every weekend going to bars with jis friends while i was at home with baby…long story short we got back together in may 2015. We are still working on things but it seems like since we broke up I have this insecurity of him still hiding old flames numbers. Mind you while broken up we still lived together he just slept in the living room. When we were broken up he contacted his old hook up on fb and when we got back together he removed her from fb cuz I asked him to. And on his contact. However just today I found out he had his exs number on his contacts. Mind you again. She did him wrong BIG TIME! She had a baby and claimed it was his & gave baby his name and all. Well I confronted him if he contacted her or her contacting him..he said no and the last time he was in contacted was when she was trying to change her baby’s name to the real baby daddy….well back to me catching him with her number…he said he has her number on there in case he needs to contact her in regards to the name changing of her baby. I said he doesn’t need to have any contact with her by having her number. She would need to be the one to change her baby’s name and if the judge needs u to be involved of his last name to be removed they will let u know. To me that bs.he was studering for a quick second… I know about how the system pretty much works. I’m dealing with a dead beat of my first child..well anyways, I asked him to remove her number…he said he will. His ex screwed him over. He always talked bad about her too, how dirty she was and how they always argued and they would always break up ALL THE TIME. He found out after they broke up and he took the over the counter DNA test. so my question is why did he add her number on his contact after she deceived him about the child not being his…? He said he just recently added her number….wut is going on in his mind and what does that tell me? I love him but if I find out he’s cheating on me I won’t get back with him..EVER! what can I say to him for him to honest with me?

  155. To Pam Scorpio or not, look up Borderline Personality Disorder, this is a person you do not want to get close to. This is someone who needs to do serious healing work, and the may have a chance at being someone who is not constantly using and hurting people. In life, we cannot expect to completely avoid people who are this broken, but we can learn to identify, how to interact, how to have compasion, have realistic expectations, and set healthy boundaries. God bless.

  156. Scorpions are best if you dont ditch them

    They are best for those who love them and worst for those who uses them for their own good.

    So partially true..beware of Scorpions if you are not loyal to them

  157. This topic had catched my attention, cause i did broke up with three Scorpios friends last year. One girlfriend i knew for 17 years and other two guys which were actually friends of my partner also for about 20 years and were my friends as well for almost 10 years.
    Yes, they are strong people, yes,- they are capable of great sacrifies, yes,- they are loyal. Eventually the Saturn return came in their lives …
    They could not handle their own shadow. Manipulations, power games they did projected on everyone around, keeping all the greatness of friendship to themselves like : ” We were all that great, we are the leaders, always have been. You guys have not contributed anything, just bunch of fools if we were not around”. Those games went on and on…
    Again itΕ› not just about all the Scorpios…ItΕ› about shadow in all of us where Scorpio resides inthe chart.
    I do love PLuto energy, facinated with that girl called Muerte, i love darkness, but not the distortions of it.
    In Scorpio case biggest distortion i have seen not just in Scorpios Sun, but in Pluto in Scorpio – 8th house Pluto, Venus In Scorpio, Mars in Scorpio and the Ascendant( I must add that Jupiter,Saturn, Moon in Scorpio do not apply here in my observations) – is that exchange of energy is conditional. Nothing goes out without reassuarance, absolute certainty what is that that will go back to them, they will gain from, and in what amount of energy, what kind of form – material gain, status gain, attention, entertainment, physical pleasures,- your physical appeal included,- they can show off around with you…They do understand on a very instictiv level that everything in this world is the exchange of energy. You must give them credit for that.
    Watch out to receive from them especially if they already convinced they sacrificed for you because price will be high to pay in the most unexpectd moment and pay day will be unavoidable.
    I believe we all have the Power. The responsibility is how you deal with it. I have learned from Scorpios, watched my behavior carefully, became aware of my Power exchange, payed my “debds” to them,- which i did not have (they demanded it subliminally) and mooved on without them.
    I am sure there are fair Scorpios out there. Was not my lesson to experience. I must say it was one of the toughest painful decisions i and partner had to make – to break up the friendship. Our Scorpios did try to come back and reconcile, but their methods they were operating with were the proove to us tht we made the right decision at first place.

  158. I’m a Scorpio, DOB 10/31/64. I feel the same way. I see and feel the positive affects when my presence is established for a period of time. I don’t do anything on purpose to make change happen, it just does. People around me start to want better things for themselves and/or they intensify and maintain the good they are already doing. Like they feel challenged by my presence. I rarely am recognized in person and when the true hearts do give it, it’s cherished. My daughter once said its like I’m invisible. This invisible mark I leave sometimes intentional but mostly not can be hard to live with because it feels like a responsibility and sometimes it’s nice to have someone look out for and care for me. Although my fierce independence doesn’t allow it for long periods. Lol!

  159. I have met a Scorpio online 18 months ago. First he said he will buy me a ring and het marrued than he said he will come meet me, move to my country and get married. He kept giving empty promises. He controled my mind, where I was going, who I was meeting, what time I was leaving the house and coming home. He told me not to go too far from my house, he never ever met me, never sent anything…he just kept me hanging aroynd for almost 2 years. If i said one wrong word, he would curse me and block me. Than unblick me. He wanted regular cyber sex. He never told me who he was seeing. I know hes cheating on me. I cant ask any questions. I have to stay faithful tohim. Nit to even say hi to any guys. Nothing and nothing. He has done nothing for me!!! Scorpios hypnotize you, hook you up to them forever and self assure that you are not the only woman he has in his life. He has a harem of women around but you dare to leave home after 7pm or say hi to a guy, he will be furious and mad at you!!! My scorpio man have done nothing at all. He just lisyen to you, collect data and use them against you one day! They jusy keep yoy around and put you part of his haram!

  160. so i am scorpio with pluto, venus , my sun all in the fourth and a taurus moon. I have never understood this love hate relationship that so many people have for us scorpios. i know people resent the attention that we receive from so many of those around us and i cant blame them either.i can tell you that it is not intentional i just happens whether we want it to or not our energy and optimism give people hope. also they know the discussion will be lively because we dig deep into EVERYTHING, and not the just the text and facts about it but down into the depths on a instinctual intuition.that will tell us everything we will need to know . and that includes people.i know that one valid reason is that our energy is so intense that it overwhelms even us sometimes so yeah i get it but have to admit that a scorpio can be a very valuable ally because we hold honesty and above all else loyalty to those we have let around us and those who we dont want around us a simply just cut out. believe me i say that is kindest thing we can do . we really dont want to hurt anybodys feelings. and wont unless forced into it. and yes we can be dark but this is not a bad for us because we use to walk into darkness and pull out those people trapped inside and and bring them back to their own path.

  161. Nope. The Scorpio in my life didn’t bring me much. Mostly he drug me into the depths of hell and 32 years later walked – abandoning me there. He did and does, however, very much against his will, support me through alimony. So, yeah, he does still bring me something.

  162. I know a friend who is a Scorpio. He is appears casual on the surface, but I am sure there is a lot churning going on inside him. Sometimes I get glimpses of his Self which are not palatable. He is still my friend because it is natural for friends to harbour grievances. I try to keep it as casual as possible. It is in my nature to be casual. I am natural in my approach towards others. Nothing out of the way.
    It is only in one place where I have been admonished for such behavior.

  163. I would say RUN from most scorpios. . . because most scorpios are completely unconscious. However, everyone has Scorpio somewhere in their chart. . . best to learn how to deal with it, consciously.

  164. Hands down, the best life advice I’ve ever gotten has been from Scorpio friends. They are gifted for talking this hotheaded Sag out of doing many unwise things she might otherwise have done in a fit of rage or passion :). I have a Scorpio moon myself and their counsel reaches me the way few others can. The only problem I have is with those Scorpios who feel people who allow themselves to be taken advantage of deserve what they get. The higher types don’t go predatory on people who have trouble saying no, they try to help them.

  165. I’m Scorpio, although depending on house system you choose to calculate charts in my 6* Sun ends up in either the 8th or 9th house that said my husband is an Aries with a very packed 8th house his Sun is in the 8th house no matter which house system you choose. His rising is Leo with Pluto in the 1st house and his Moon is in Sagittarius. I just can’t imagine another mate. I on the have an Aquarius rising and my Moon is in Taurus. I have had two others spouses and they just didn’t get me. I don’t like a lot of attention on me. I often tell people I will be the wind beneath your wings but please keep the limelight for yourself. My husband doesn’t mind the limelight and is a fine public speaker. We work very well together my only thing is wish I had met him before I met either of the other two.

  166. I love this article! That is so true!! Scorpios plunge into your darkest depths and for many this scares the hell out of them. And Scorpios can be brutal in every which sense of that word. BUT they can also be the first person there to help you when you need help. They will take care of you when you are sick and they will fight to the death on your behalf against anyone that bothers you. Their loyalty is fathomless and if they love you, they stand by you.

    The beast can be beautiful.

  167. Yes, its true, brought me back to life after they killed me. Being very mutable and always having to much to do so the best I can do is be friendly under trying circumstance and there is scorpio to tell how shabby I look, how shallow nice I am, how they don’t like my tone because their energy field keeps out all the distraction so they can always speak from a deep place so well thought out no one could measure up to such high standard.
    You will start out standing proud to steal her anything she see’s
    but you wind up peeking through a key whole down upon your knee’s.
    She never stumbles she got no place to fall
    She’s a hypnotist collector you are a walking antique…Bob Dylan
    It’s my experience only. And yes to light my fire on stagnation they could be said to be useful but my experience is they don’t know when to stop cutting and igniting. I still have scorpio friends but as of now I keep them at a distance. Too much emotional intelligence without what I see the necessary wisdom and compassion. I just have not found the stand by you. The opposite, bail when it gets too chaotic and they can’t control the flow so too speak.

  168. I’m thinking people don’t get astrology. I have met lethal Aries, Cancer, Libra’s etc. I’m scorpio sun with cancer moon, rising capricorn and venus in Sag.. I have to say that many scorpios scare me because I’m a nurturing one. Aries scare me too. BUT, some of the finest, most loving, charming, and yes even funny people I have met, are Scorpios. Most Scorpios will lay their life down for a child or a friend. Lets see other sun signs pull that off. They are deep, they are SPIRITUAL ! in the most intense loyal way. They care about humanity. They are the ones who give a listening ear to those that others would not listen to. I think its a wives tale that Scorpio’s are vicious. I’ve not met many like them and the ones that are have severe afflictions in their natal charts. AND most of all are raised badly, hence why I know lethal Aries, Cancer signs and Leo’s who are. Its NOT about Scorpio, its about everyone’s natal chart, the entire chart and MOST of all how they are raised!!! I would trust my life with most all the Scorpios I have met, I would be there for people when others would not ever be. I don’t know any Scorps I hang out with who would maliciously not be there for anyone. They, including myself hug strangers who are in pain all the time, I am working with the public. The Scorpions that I know would share a tear with and for others, many of which are people they don’t know. But in all fairness, I know plenty of other signs who are vicious, backbiting, backstabbing and who would run you over if they could. LOOK at the entire chart but most of all LOOK at their upbringing !!!!! Astrology doesn’t rule the person, it has an influence, that’s it ! This is a spiritual journey of the soul. Lets try to love one another through it.

  169. Scorp, with Scorp rising, and Cancer moon in the 8th house. I love this post so much I could frame it. Much loved by my fellow Scorps too. Thank you Elsa! πŸ™‚

  170. I’ve been fed at the root and brought back to life by many Scorpios. It’s their appeal. Admittedly, because their sign falls in my 4th, I become a bit emotionally dependent on them as friends or lovers. But it also always ends on a complicated note which is why, unless they’re family, I avoid them. It’s painful to let somebody in like that and then see them go. Uranus is in my 4th as well.


    • Quote: that post said ” Scorpios will wait (for years if need be) until their prey is in a vulnerable position…. unquote.. that’s actually a wives tale.. They don’t methodically plan, nor do they jump on someone like that .. AT ALL.. This is the reason why there is so much misunderstanding about scorps. I have no clue who started it but I have seen malicious Aries , Leos, etc wait for their “prey” .. the Scorps I know are loving to all people, not just family. They are extremely unselfish too. Giving the shirt off their back for someone who is vulnerable or in need. My Father, strong and kind had a ton of friends who knew him well and when he passed a way many grieved for him. They have sense of humors too. Funny as heck. I believe that post is way way mistaken about them entirely and my first post kind of explains why people have the Scorpios and most other signs wrong, they neglect to understand DNA, and also how they are raised, and their spiritual sides. Scorpios though are probably one of the most, if not the most spiritual sign of the zodiac. I mean positive spirituality. Meditation type spirituality, connecting to the angels type. They have profound psychic spiritual experiences due to that. I cannot believe that nobody is writing about this. Linda Goodman has it closest to what they are. BUT, there is a big but here, it DEPENDS how any Aries, Leo, Cancer, Scorpio, Libra is raised!! And it has to do extensively with your planets… You could have Libra for a sun sign but have ton of scorpio in you to change that part of your core self. Combined with how you are raised, what you have seen, if you are moral (MANY scorpios are and would NOT pounce and lie and wait to do it years down the road, they would more likely pray for the person and let it go) nobody likes wasting energy and time like that but especially a scorpio.. BUT if it comes to their young and someone hurting them, they will defend valiantly.. YES I said valiantly with honor and integrity… They are extremely protective of strangers and family alike. NOT just family which is very selfish but they feel this way towards everyone. They rather walk away then to deal with negative energy. They are ready to protect and guide if needed. I appreciate your input but there is not much there that I find true. Most of what is written by many people on Scorpios is just passed down from person to person in a type of hearsay way. They are mysterious but not at the same time. Why? because they are EXTREMELY sensitive to feelings of themselves, of others, of children, of elderly and they guard those things that are confided to them because they hold ALL things as, yes, SACRED…. Everything is spiritual to them. The Chinese at least have it closer to truth about them when you can find a good astrologer. By the way my sister is a Master Astrologer. She did George Harrison’s chart, Boy George and many celebrities. She’s Gemini, she’s the first to say that many have Scorpios completely wrong and because many do not look deep enough they will still do the blah about them and never get it.

      • With regards to spirituality. I have had a truly challenging life as a Cuban immigrant who experienced multiple traumas related to abuse & neglect, and other factors related to race, ethnicity, sexism, immigration experiences and more. In addition to this, I am gifted/talented in several areas which include music, poetry/writing, visual arts and I also have a doctorate in psychology. I am a Latina, but not obvious by sight. At first sight, I can be a mix of Mediterranean/European until I start talking and people detect a slight accent, but cannot truly identify it. My accent is affected by the fact that my family lived in Madrid for almost two years before arriving at the U.S. That and the fact that my father is the son of a Spaniard, caused my Spanish to be different from early childhood even in Cuba. From my mother’s side there is a bit of Asian, (there is a Chinese population in Cuba) and this trait is most evident in my eyes which are almond shaped and have a slight slant upwards. It is also part of my physiology. For example Asians have lower tolerance for lactose and alcohol compared to other populations. My two brothers and myself have never been at risk for alcoholism, as our bodies do not like alcohol. I like the buzz which actually comes at just maybe two fingers of any type of alcohol, and then the aftereffects just do not feel good. Not being able to handle alcohol affects social life as a lot socializing in many cultures occurs around drinking. People do not know what to do with me, what “box” to put me into, and that has resulted more often than I like in my being “exoticized,” “idealized,” and other “izeds”, (including criticized and at times quite viciously) that have been very painful. I am curvy and people assume things about me based on that. I get women becoming suspicious, and have had experiences of being at a store shopping, and seeing women who see me, and suddenly they are grasping their husbands/partners for dear life and deliberately steer away from me. The bottom line is that I do not get “seen” as a human being, I am much more easily a “curiosity” and then the world can feel to cold! So cold! I feel so lonely and in need of love and affection, and just simple yet wonderful hugs. My deepest longing is to connect deeply and to give and receive love, compassion, friendship and loyalty. All of the above the unusual background, genetic and such and top that off with being Scorpio! What a freakin’ ride my life has been! About spirituality, and related “talents” I see auras, have prophetic dreams, hear sounds at really high frequencies (I have had my hearing tested, and can hear sounds that only dogs and cats hear), and can create synchronicities really easily. My spirituality includes a love of Christ that is immeasurable, Buddhism and meditation. Studying and practicing principles of the Kabbalah, Celtic/Pagan traditions, appreciation for African and Native American traditions, quantum physics principles and, there is more. This is so much to carry, but at the end of the day, I can actually say with both gratitude and sadness (as I am saddened that people do not step up more to help me, and be there for me with my struggles) that my spirituality has saved my life and my sanity many times. I think I was born with certain spiritual talents and inclinations, and it has come easily to turn to that Source during difficult times. In my life, I do sense that people get annoyed with me, like I suspect that some people might think that through naming my talents and inclinations, I am bragging, for example. I talk about the “heaviness” of being multi-talented to some of my friends from time to time, and even with those who actually love me, every so often I can sense even if I do not actually see: the eye roll! I can see in their minds the words “There she goes again, whining and complaining about how heavy it is to be talented!” I can understand though, that it can be hard to have sympathy for somebody who is overloaded with good things?! Well, they might be good things but they still get heavy. Also people’s envy, mean behaviors that happen just because you are expressing yourself, and wanting to give of yourself, can be devastatingly painful. So as I have aged, I have withdrawn from group settings and prefer to interact with small groups, or one on one. I wish that I could say that I am grateful to have human beings who are truly, truly there for me. However, the truth is that I am hard to comprehend, and this misunderstanding blocks affection and warmth. People are more likely to be supportive to those who naturally inspire sympathy. What is the likelihood that a 5’8″ multi-talented, strong-willed, amazon-type, yet exceedingly sensitive woman will elicit sympathy? I still need love and warmth just like anyone else. As for drugs, no drug addiction. As for sex, no sex addiction. Intensity, yes. Mean behaviors, no. Unusual capacity for truth, yes. Hard-working, yes. Quietly passionate, yes. Appearing strong even while crying with devastating pain inside, yes. Do I get enough wamth and hugs, no. Do I get fuzzy blankets in order to create the illusion of warmth, yes. This is the story of one Scorpio woman. That is all. (for now πŸ™‚ )

        • Awesome post Natalie.. You sound very much like me. I appreciated all that you wrote. Hang in. Its a special day when we meet up with another like ourselves.. Thank you. You pinned many scorpios and said it much more elegantly then they themselves could write. So thank you!! You sound like you have a special heart. A heart of a true Scorpio. !!

        • Wonderful, I can relate to this !

          “So as I have aged, I have withdrawn from group settings and prefer to interact with small groups, or one on one. I wish that I could say that I am grateful to have human beings who are truly, truly there for me. However, the truth is that I am hard to comprehend, and this misunderstanding blocks affection and warmth. People are more likely to be supportive to those who naturally inspire sympathy.”

          And after reading this, I feel some peace that true Scorpions are so precious just they are so so misunderstood. People who don’t value them, can’t even fathom what divine gift they have been missing in their lives. Go deeper with them, trust them and let yourself go and see how deep they will take you with them that you will never ever want to come back from that heaven. You will forget all your earthly pains and wounds. They will heal you like no one ever has. Just don’t get misled by the mask they wear to protect themselves from getting hurt by betrayal. Behind that sharp tongue, try to hear the song of soul πŸ™‚ Look into their eyes, they will make a place for you in their souls not just hearts if you deserve !

          • I wrote this last year, and I am browsing through wonderful Elsa’s work, and landed here today.

            Thank you ScorpMoon for your comment. It touches my heart. May many blessings come your way.

        • Wow, I thank you so much for this post. My heart grew so happy & sad (in a strangely beautiful way) as I read this. You are amazing!! Please never change, your energy is felt. I honestly wish I had a person like you on my life, I feel like I know you or I’m supposed to. Anywho, I wish you the best in life Natalie, thank you for being you. Namaste.

  171. The Scorpios in my life of both sexes have given me an invaluable amount of understanding, love and support. And were friends to me when I didn’t know how to be a friend to myself. Not to mention life-changingly wise advice and insights. Love them to my core.

  172. Scorpios are all mean and heartless. They will pretend to be kind just to prove you wrong because they know deep inside they are a black hole. My mom is one, my oldest uncle and my ex lover. All are cruel, heartless, insensitive human beings. Selfish as parents, terrible as family members and omg don’t ever give them any form of affection because it’s lost. I feel the expert on this sign as I’ve dealt with scorpios since childhood on all levels and they all do the same mind game bs. Who has time or even cares? Avoid them like a disease if you are smart.

  173. You sound when writing your post that you are those black hole, I’m very sorry your hurting… Ya they say that when people speak thoughts such as yours in a cruel way, that you are reflecting your own personality flaws or hurts, or both. We all have to love one another upon earth the best you can. Often when we are mean in writing about others, its our own pain, our own anger that speaks out and not the person you direct it at.You come across as having a very negative outlook on the world and you are reflecting it onto scorpios. Instead realize your speaking the way you feel inside about yourself, empty, lost and negatively in pain. Reflect more on your words and realize life isn’t a bowl of cherries but a huge dose of compassion towards others goes a long way to healing what troubles you inside. There is no such thing as you described about Scorpios AND this type of negative personality is found in all sun signs, ask Jeffrey Dammer, a May baby (Gemini), or John Wayne Gacy (killer clown) Pisces baby… Or Dr. H. H. Holmes (Taurus), Richard Ramirez ( Another Pisces), Ridgeway (Aquarius) , Ed Gein (Virgo), Dennis Rader (Yet another Pisces), Edmund Kemper (Sagittarius), Aileen Wuornos (Peaceful Libra Serial Killer), Son of Sam (Gemini), Leonard Lake (Scorpio) with Side Kick Charles NG (Sagittarius), Albert DeSalvo-Boston Strangler (Virgo), Albert Fish (Taurus), Richard Chase (Gemini), Ted Bundy (Scorpio), Ottis Toole (Yet another Pisces), there are lots more but THE point is it does NOT matter your sun sign, it is your upbringing that creates black holes, your upbringing creates a good human being or a negative one, DESPITE DNA or Sun Sign. I have no idea if you are talking about some alien from another world or you speak of yourself. My heart goes out to you though. Please go get help… Om Shanti, from my Scorpio Sun Sign to you, one who is prone to angelic experiences of the Light-Kind…..

  174. Kimberly, it sounds like you gravitated towards people that are ill, and so you were attracted to your ex-lover a Scorpio maybe because your trying to fix and issue with your Mom and her issues, her issues are your issues unfortunately that you inherited. This is very common to go out and look for the exact people that have already hurt you in the past. Its a mechanism inside ourselves to try to make sense of hellish things we go through in life with so called family that should have loved you but instead deserted you. Your Mom perhaps had family that did this to her. If she was born a Libra, she may have still done the same thing because its the pain that follows from generation to generation. There is something in the depths of Scorpio you sought after in your ex boyfriend.. your uncle maybe is like 2 peas in a pod with your mom but that does NOT mean every single scorpio has a black hole for a heart… Cheer up, go find people that can uplift you.. Just because someone is flesh and blood does not always mean that they love like they should. You can often find strangers that have more compassion then family members in that situation… Let go of it, you can rise above it. But clearly you did stereotype every single Scorp on the planet and its not very fair. I have seen vicious people in virtually every sun sign but I have also seen lovely people in all signs as well. Just depends who you are attracted to. People do not realize that they seek out those that hurt us ONLY because we are trying to make sense of the pain… ESCAPE away from it..

  175. Bang on. Double Scorp here with Mercury and Sun conjunct the Ascendant and Mars in the 8th (I use the traditional rulers and only interpret the outer planets when tightly conjunct an inner planet or angle). According to friends & family, “nothing like a Scorpio!” – except for those odd moments when I’m seriously peed off & give the Scorpio “don’t **** with me” look. I’m not intense, moody, jealous, controlling, manipulative, or any of the things Scorpio is supposed to be. I’m quite quiet, but pretty straightforward and blunt and what you see is what you get (Sun in the first, perhaps?). I’m the same with everyone, no “mask” or pretense. However, people sense a steely strength. My best and oldest friend recently described me as “hard as nails, one of the genuinely toughest people I know”. I do look very typically Scorpio, and some people are scared of me at first meeting (& beyond), which can be a Scorp thing. Scorpio is always portrayed as intense, but a better word is powerful; but that power is an energetic thing. A couple of times when I’ve had bodywork / energy work done, I’ve had the comment that I’m like a nuclear reactor.

    I have joked that I’m a one-woman emergency service, as I seem to be on-call for every crisis in other people’s lives. I tend to get tangled up with people who “need” me, for some reason or another. It’s not me, per se: it’s my energy, I think. I am almost always tired, and I’ve been told that it’s from the effort of containing all that energy. I’ve found martial arts training and yoga helpful.

    I completely agree that people just don’t SEE 90% of what I do. I’m the person who gets s*** done at warp speed whilst everyone else is just talking about it, and the person who is just THERE to support everyone else…yet few people notice until I’m not there any more. On that note, perhaps I am more Scorpionic than I realise, as on a couple of occasions I have severed ties completely with people. Only when I feel that the person is deliberately using / manipulating me, however. I don’t retaliate. Ever. I just walk away. I have felt in these situations (thankfully it has only happened three times in 40+ years) that the person is kind-of feeding off my energy and draining me dry, & however much I gave it would never be enough. Generally I tend to stay friends with people, though – even my exes, having a “live-and-let-live, sometimes stuff just doesn’t work out,” attitude. Doesn’t sound very Scorpio, does it?!

  176. So true! I am a Scorpio. When I appear at a business, the business will thrive. When I walk away, it goes bankrupt. Seen it countless times. We give, give, and give some more. yet, it’s unappreciated. But when we step away, people suddenly realize what they had. (well, even then they don’t realize it was us, providing the fertilizer for them to flourish) so we crawl back into the shadows and chuckle when we see their downfall. We’re thinking: I told ya! hehe… Having a Scorpio means business. Honest business, unlike a Leo who only does it for the money and their own ego, Scorpio’s run a business to help others. In a way, Leo’s are the real danger and who you really should be worried about, their disregard is darker than ours. It’s funny how things are so reversed! yin/yang I suppose!

    • When I was a little girl and as a teenager, I heard my mother say repeatedly to friends and family that she preferred her boys. She would say this in my presence. It hurt, if hurt a lot. In my late teens which were her later forties there were some crises in our family that were destroying her. I stepped up and helped her physically, spiritually and with practical matters. This is when she started to “see” me. Still, if my brothers were in the room, they would get her attention and adoration. She would even consciously or unconsciously instigate. Still, I continued to be a good and thoughtful, caring daughter. This continued for many years. I am very musical and like to sing, and so did she. One day in my mid forties, I ask her “I have a good voice don’t I?” She says yes. “I could have done something with this, do you think?” She says yes. Then I ask “Why did you not help me?” She says “I was jealous.” I froze, I was not able to even come close to processing what she did to my life. What I did understand is that she identified with her sons, and was NOT going to let me shine, and develop my talents. The amount of pain and shock I experienced was so powerful, that I started to withdraw from her. I just could not be around her knowing what she did with my musicality. It hurt so much!! It did not take too long for her to start showing symptoms of Alzheimer’s and she died in February of last year. This is not to toot my horn, but I was not surprised that she started to decline, as I was for a very long time, the only person who fully engaged her. She lost me, and her decline started after that.

      • Natalie – Was her mother jealous of her? What type of relationship did she have with other females / women in her life? I find it important to look at the context of her life to understand why she did what she did. Hurt comes out of fear. Jealousy of children is a real thing, and the shame underneath the fear, guilt, and resentment can keep you from being able to admit that. I think it is amazing that you still took care of your mother and you were there for her, despite that and that’s a testimony to your healing nature, which we need more of in the world ❀️

        In regards to the comment you replied to – I do see some Leo’s that do not care about anything but what something does for their ego – buy I think that sometimes we can show them how to be better by challenging them to be better and not just for themselves. They do like people to get along and they want to celebrate life, enjoy it, and be happy with the ones they love. Our dark, brooding nature is often misunderstood by such a “sunny” personality.

  177. And about Scorpio’s fury: We could tear someone apart is we wish to do so, and take ourselves with it. No problem. If you come for us, we will take you with us. We won’t go alone. But most often, we don’t feel it is necessary. We want peace. We value our life. So don’t mistake this as big talk. Don’t try us out. Don’t tempt us. Once we loose our cool, and that takes a lot, we will never return. There will be no way back. We’ll go right through you and think nothing of it. I know I am like that. I have that capacity. But, as said, we want peace. We want love, we want life. But corners us, and there will be Hell on earth.

  178. I totally disagree. I’ve never met an evolved Scorpio personally. And as an 8th house Sun and an empath, I attract Scorpios like moths to a flame. They love me and then hate me, mainly because I call them out on their bs and won’t stand for their mind games and their weird double standard merging creepiness. Ha. Funny thing is I’m the one who leaves them better off than I left them giving them new life, and I usually end up feeling drained as though I dealt with a narcissist.

  179. geese.. You are so Neanderthal-Like.. You have a personal bad experience and that makes you lump millions of souls into a boxed paradigm. Way to go.. And what are you, an Aries with headstrong hatred, or perhaps an unbalanced Arrogant Leo.. Scorps never have BS… They tell it like it is. However, of all signs of the Zodiac, they are the ones who will lay their life down for a stranger, or cry with someone who has lost someone dear, or be a rescuer of animals. They are by far one of the most, if not the most spiritual sign of the zodiac. Scores don’t do Double-Standards because they hate hypocrites. You are so far off on them, all because you had a bad relationship. It does take two to tango, after all, you have your own baggage. You say how do you know!! I say because I’m a Scorpio and have typical empathic sense. Also a sense to know right from wrong. Discernment is one way to put it, but its far beyond discernment, its spiritual knowing. If your drained, you must of figured out you cannot control a Scorpio, and that’s a good thing, they stood true to knowing right from wrong. Leo’s can be very narcissistic and yet are all Leo’s this way. Of course not!! Are all Libra’s selfish!! of course not, though I met quite a few.. Are all Aries fighters and like to butt heads and have it their way all the time, some, but not all. Are Gemini wacky because they shift from one self to another, some, but not all..

    A person who knows Astrology and has a place to speak would be one who knows that Astrology does NOT rule a person… Family upbringing, spirituality, being taught to love at home, knowing morals, these are ALL things that mold a person into being a Narcissist or not, or violent or not, or selfish or not, or crazy or not.. The Astrology plays only a smidgen of what’s there, after all do you think when we die we are known in the heavens to be Scorpios’, Leos, Aries etc.. Of course not.. We are NOT planets, we are people, THOUGH, we are effected by them at birth.. You could have Scorpio all over your chart but be a suppose Libra or Cancer etc.. Or Aries etc.. You are NOT your sun sign.. I hope you get it.. Your a child of God whether you acknowledge one or not.. MOST Scorpios are extremely bonded to angels and God etc.. They feel so extremely deep, and grieve with others that they don’t know, which you would NOT do… Because when I hear someone rag on a Scorpio I’m like its lazy Astrologers fault.. Meaning some person long long ago, in a kingdom far away was burnt by a loss of love by a charming scorpio and who happened to believe in Astrology and started the rumor that they are mean, heartless creatures… Its completely made up the perception that poor Scorps had to go through. And the poor slander. I saw a UK article and the writer was talking about sun signs, they were a blubbering idiot. They knew nothing about the majority of the signs, and sure enough they ragged heartless war against ALL Scorpios not he planet.. Its ludicrous and immature.. I know a Cancer sign that is so scary that you quake in your boots. They are vile, they are threatening, they stalk, and lie and wait for a perfect moment to pounce.. They have 0 ZERO remorse.. So really they are suppose to be nurturers etc.. Its just so sad that people base decisions and thoughts about someone because they are a certain sun sign.. I’ve seen violent Leos, Cancer signs, also merciless Aries etc etc.. Also some nasty Libra’s who can only think of themselves 24/7…. I saw that many Libra’s are very selfish, I’ve met quite a few, but when their other side kicks in they are peace makers, that is IF THEY WERE RAISED CORRECTLY, TO LOVE OTHERS, TO LOVE GOD, TO LOVE ANIMALS, AND TO HELP NEIGHBORS IN NEED, OR TO HELP THE ELDERLY.. Or to pray for those that are not fortunate to have work etc.. That is Scorpios that I have me, they are also quite funny and lovable.. Earthy and caring .. But are there not Scorps that are mean.. Of Course!! If they are raised that way, then they will be doing what their Cancer Parent, or Libra parent taught them.. If they are raised with a Capricorn and Aries parent who like to drink, and don’t give a crap about them, well they will turn out not so good.. . People FORGET, we are not sun signs we are souls here on planet earth and NO TWO ARE THE SAME… Regardless of a chart etc.. The reason why so many Scorpios are actors and actresses is to express their intense love and emotions so to release their deep sadness and empathic pain they feel for others… YES this is a fact.. They feel so deeply for strangers, children, animals, elderly etc, that though on the surface there are a few frosty types, deep down, they are brimming over with such sweet loving emotions.. Frankly I have only met a few frosty Scorps.. Most that I know were morally kind and loving.. Also children just love to be around them because they feel save and cared for… So stick this in your pipe and smoke it… Geese look at how many narcissists are in politics, they are as innumerable as the sea, and most are NOT Scorpios.. geese louise, get back jack. What’s creepy to me is how some person can stand as God, Judge, and Jury and say ALL Scorps on planet earth are creepy and narcissists based on a bad relationship they had, or that they read false literature about the oh so horrible dreaded mean, heartless Scorpio.. That is so ridiculous.. I can walk into any place and look at someone in their eyes and feel their energy merge to mine and know within 10 minutes what sun sign they are, YET they are all individuals and different in millions of ways from another. . Yes there are traits.. I’m proud of my traits, I have strangers come to talk with me, hug me just because I shed a tear with them about some bad news they heard. I have had people come to me to pray for them, to tell them it will be ok, that they are loved and to never give up… frankly it would be kind of right and funny at the same time if Scorps could file a class action suit against all the slander they have taken over the very long decades of being stereotyped with some type of image that they do not even have.. So many writers have done such a disservice. So out of 7 Libra’s I know, 5 are self centered but I don’t meet a Libra and judge them according to the 5.. The reason those 5 were self centered was they were co-dependant and had some tough times when they were young, so its always about them.. They can’t hold a conversation longer then 2 minutes with someone, when it then has to go back to them… That’s because they lived trauma and needed to heal.. .Most Scorps will see this, and hence why people seek Scorps out for help.. They make awesome psychiatrists and detectives, writers, artists, etc..

  180. Interesting reading, that’s for sure! Well, I have a female relative with Scorpio Sun, Mars, Mercury, Uranus and North Node. Absolute Angel!!! A Rock for everyone…capable and efficient, excellent cook and homemaker, a gifted natural psychologist…and the most giving, wise and caring person you could find. I can’t heap enough praises upon her! Then another Scorpio in-law turned out-law, a male…the absolute opposite! Although divorced for ten years and remarried, he has threatened to “destroy” her, and says he “owns her”…and he has set out to destroy her in several ways. Lucky she is a strong woman. So, it’s just like others have said: You can get both types in each Sign. So, please people, don’t write off Scorpios…they can be the most amazing Angels…(and others can be absolute “devils”!) Just do your homework and find out which one you’ve got in front of you before getting in too deep!

  181. Valkyrie, Appreciate your post.. EXACTLY what I noted about how depending upon other things going on in their life, upbringing, makes all the difference in the world to how they turn out and you can have opposite scorpios be like night and day… I truly believe it has to do with trauma, upbringing, experiences combined with any sun sign out there. All signs can have a negative and positive person, just depends on what happened to them in life, what if it was they came from a supportive home, or a home of hell. xoxo

  182. …stereotyping people can be odd. (I mean interesting to read those first two “sort of hate I guess” comments- one against Scorpios, the other against Libras). I think it’s kind of sad that astrology would be yet another pretext for us to project our sorrows, pains and frustrations on (without trying to de-legitimize pain as such).
    On topic, well- there are no Scorpios in my life, except a few I’ve met professionally lately. Some difficult stuff- one appeared to have power issues and major insecurities (I mean felt threatened by me- while being the boss, older in the company, older by age etc.), a couple (there were really many Scorpios in one place) were paranoid (not judging, I felt kind of empathetic toward it), one was the sort of a person I felt would have sold his mother for [insert something desired here…power it seemed]. So of the three, only the last was what they call a bastard, the other stuff is just human I think…
    Positive outcomes: I realized I’m kind of bad-ass at my job seeing how people feel threatened by me or resort to playing dirty to win against me, so I went on to do my thing and I feel much more mature and clearly positioned professionally after the experience.

  183. This is for Elsa and her wonderful work on this website. I happened to log in just a few minutes ago, and saw a post of mine from 2010!! We are in 2018! This “thread” has so much diversity in it! People have so many things to say!

    Elsa, you are awesome for all the work that you do to help people gain insight into our “Selves.” Thank you for your courage, being you, and your wonderful contributions

  184. A Scorpio reflects back to you who you are. We give you back the energy you give us. So if you don’t like the side of Scorpio you are getting have a look in the mirror.

    • Scorpio Risen – you are so right!! I used to think there was something wrong with me that I inadvertently do this… but I am realizing it’s just part of my nature…

  185. Not my experience. Have no interest in being rescued or someone else holding my life force. I do appreciate their in depth view of life but everyone I gave gotten close to end up using that incisiveness against my better interest if too close. I keep professional distance which seems for the best all parties concerned. The simple spring of Taurus brings its own insight. But having said this I do try to repay and acknowledge what Scorpio brings into my life. For some reason they always end up manipulating me. Mars in Taurus.

    • All signs have strengths and weaknesses. I am Scorpio and my mother was Taurus. She was competitive and jealous toward me. She did many good things for me but mostly in the realm of practicality and provision of material resources. She did not think about my heart. I was a really good kid yet for no reason she slapped me around and allowed others to hurt me as well. We Scorpios can be jealous, but experiences with Earth signs with Taurus being the worst and Capricorn’s coming in secondβ€”Well let’s just say that the love of the limelight is so strong that they can viciously and insidiously attack. I can honestly say that my mother is a Taurus that broke me and a Capricorn cousin who was like a sister to me did many hideous things as well. People speak to the Scorpio stinger but what happens whe your birthday is 11/21 and you’re the queen of hearts?! I don’t like to hurt others I am a healer and like to heal. That said many of my wounds are so deep that I live in perpetual pain. This is not about being a victim. Instead it is about being honest.

      • Natalie I’m sorry that you had to endure such cruelty. I know what you mean about Taurus. My ex husband was a Taurus, and he had a Capricorn mother. Everything that is wrong in his life is because of her, (according to him) and she admits she was not a perfect mother but she has changed a lot since I knew her at 17. (I am now 33 and have a relationship with her but not with her son.) For me, I had the damaging experience of dealing with a very self-centered immature Taurus who did not “see” me for who I was but took full advantage of my sensitivity and caring, only to turn around and project his “mother wound” onto me and make me carry all of his baggage. It took years for me to stop being bitter at Taurus, and to this day I still regard people under that sign with suspicion until they prove they aren’t self-centered. Thankfully I have a dear sister who is a Taurus and she actually taught me some of the very positive traits they can exhibit and how to use them to help others. I am so sorry you are in pain. I would say, I hope you can find inspiration through transformation of your pain. They probably felt threatened by how compassionate your nature is, and sometimes the only thing people know to do is attack what they see as weak. Desire to heal and not hurt others is a profound strength and you are a blessing to this world being that, and I hope you can find healing for your pain and continue giving healing to others. ❀️

        • I turn 55 this year and frankly although I am not suicidal, I do look forward to being released from this existence. This is how much pain I carry. I have known more balanced Tauruses & Capricorn’s, yet the Capricorn’s need for β€œthe top.” And Taurus’ need for control can turn them into monsters. Obviously I know first hand. By the way, it was several & specifically three Capricorn cousins. Me I am so tired of having Scorpio be labeled this β€œcruel & horrible” sign!!

          • I don’t want death now but I know it’s going to happen one day. There is a saying “wisdom is nothing more than healed pain.” The way out is through. I agree some people definitely label Scorpios unfairly. We can often be the “mirror” of what others don’t like in themselves. You don’t have to carry that baggage. All that you are responsible for is your own stuff. Freedom is what we do with what has been done to us. Sure, it’s shit, but you can take that shit, and make what YOU want out of it grow. It can be fertilizer for something that heals you. ❀️ I used to get really angry and defensive, now I just have accepted that some people can’t appreciate or understand me. I just celebrate and actively looking for people who do. Sending you comfort, and hope.

  186. “I get so sick of hearing what the Scorpio did TO you. Ever think about what they did FOR you? Like maybe brought you back to life for example???”

    Wow did this ever get my attention…

    For years I have been stewing over all the ruthless, nasty, passive aggressive behavior my Scorpio mother-in-law had been spewing at me – sent me to therapy. BUT, yes-yes-yes this DID bring me back to life!

    Going to therapy initially because of her changed the course of my life. I learned to unapologetically be me again without fear of judgment from her and her equally ruthless daughters or any other a**hole.

    I realize now she is angry/hurt with me because I no longer let her manipulate me and had stopped the relationship as it was and I imagine this was rejection on some level to her. I changed the boundaries of relationship without telling her and she has not liked it one iota.

    I will quietly thank her in my prayers/meditation today for pushing me to the edge and bringing me back to life.

    Thank you Elsa for this change in perception!!

  187. I love the Scorpio’s in my life.
    Even the guy I’m seeing just for fun (that’s how we decided to do it and it will remain so until it’s done), he makes me feel regenerated after our time together.
    I’ve read somewhere that Scorpios have a healing energy in them and it really feels like that sometimes.

  188. I’m an 8th house type with Jupiter in Scorpio…I’m married to a Scorpio, only a few minutes into Scorpio….What I find is that Scorpios love you one minute, and sting you the next. It’s like whiplash at times.

    • Not really Gemini7, they just appear to not, only due to their intense deep states of mind they go into, like worries about the world, poverty, helping others that are in need. They are deeply complex, they may appear only to be that way when other things are pressing. They do not know how to love half-way, they either do not or do! And when they do its total and absolute. My thinking is that Jupiter is Scorp isn’t really much of Scorp in you to understand this. But they are passionate about every facet of life and death, and most of all spirituality. My advise is to look deep within you to ask if its something you are doing, or interpreting wrong. No person is perfect, not you or anyone but Scorps do not love half way ever. Its all or nothing, and still when they leave, they still love more deeply then most signs.

  189. Scorpios seem to love you in one instant and sting you in the next because most of them have complexes which cause them to disassociate into their mind to try and “solve ” the problem. They have an intuitive knowing about what the complex wants them to do, and if it doesn’t align with their values it results in an “inner fight” between aspects of self that makes them seem almost narcissistic. The best of them are hard at work for a solution because they do not want to hurt the ones they love. That us why they distance themselves bevause they have a deep, serious knowing of their tendency to self-protect and also to attack when backed into a corner out of sheer reflex.

  190. I had ME and met a Scorpio man. He became my boyfriend and I feel he saved my life. I’ll always be in karmic debt to him – we split up a long time ago.

  191. I love love love love the Scorpios in my life. Virgo with venus in Scorpio and a moon in the 8th house. My mom was a Scorpio and we were terrifically close. Some say a little too close. Sister with Scorpio moon. My very best friend is a scorpio stellium. Been deeply in love with him for 5 years. Not reciprocated that way. πŸ˜” Been through hell with him. Times Ive wanted to toss him out on his behind. Hes such a pain in the ass but I adore him as a person and a friend as well…beyond anything. I guess Im stuck lol

  192. “Are you energized? Are you blooming? Chances are a Scorpio / 8th house type is involved.” Shit yes! My husband has Jupiter in Scorpio, in trine and sextile aspect to everything in the solar system, including his Virgo sun. Thing is, when my mother was in her last years, he did more for her in the short time he knew her than most of the members of my family did in all the time they knew her. Quality energy? It’s like magic.
    The most gifted artists and psychics I’ve known are either Scorpio or are loaded with planets in Scorpio.

    • My beloved brother was a Cancer, I a Scorpio. I will say that as much as Scorpios are awesome, to make sure that you learn from the other water signs as well. My brother took his own life a month and 2 days ago. He was 24 years old, and terrified of facing life with the confusion going on in his mind. We believe some type of undiagnosed mental illness. Cancer is a crab, also having a shell like the scorpion. But also having a homey quality to them that is gentle, loving, and nurturing. As a Scorpio I am learning there are new meanings to be found in life, and in death. The antidote is in the poison, and yes, this energy is blossoming new beginnings. ❀️

  193. I must be a very different sort of Scorpio, maybe it is the November 21 cusp, but I am not into controlling people, as far as I am concerned that takes too much energy. I would rather use my time and energy doing something else. Honesty and loyalty are very important to me in my relatioships, as I have quite the capacity for the truth, and I am grateful when I find it. That said, you will not see me manipulating and/or attacking people, I’d rather curl up with a book, write some poetry and/or play the piano. Sometimes communication between people is just not going to work, some people do not know how to listen and how to engage conflicts in a respectful manner. This is where creative and spiritual sources of comfort and rest become so precious to me.

    • I would definitely look at Sagittarius as partial parts of your personality as well. I’m not on the cusp but have found vast similarities between myself and Sagittarius, which you’re on the cusp of. Sagittarius is like Katniss from the hunger games. I agree with you I’m not into controlling people either, but I do have issues with control as I get very triggered and angry when people try to control me. I also strive for control over myself – the nasty side of me comes out when people get in my space or threaten me or someone I care about. I’ve had anger issues but my darker nature does not come out unless you threaten me. Sagittarius is very concerned with systems of operation, society, and the betterment of those things which sounds like that might be one of your driving motivators aside from being treated badly by ‘need to be on top’ personalities. I like to see it as those people can have the top and they can dominate all they want as long as they don’t touch what matters to me. It’s not about ego for me but about the big picture. As long as the people I care about get what they need and are happy I don’t need the spotlight. I prefer to facilitate from the background and use my power to influence people towards better behaviors. It’s not worth confrontation or engaging on an ego level. I just lead by example and many times that has resulted in better behaviors. Sometimes I do have to speak up but I speak up on behalf of someone else who needs an advocate because then I’m using my power for others.

      • I can relate to what you write. Thanks for that, as it makes a lot of sense. Also, I just realized that similarly to you, whereas I am not into controlling people, I REALLY dislike when others try to control me! Thanks for that as well!

        Check out my comment below!

  194. You hit the nail on the head. I am a clinical psychologist, and this is a way in which I use my “power.” I like creativity, and helping people heal to me is a form of transformation/creatvity. It is wonderful to see people change and grow!! This is an exercise of power, and this is how I like to go about it. At the end of the day we are all human and we all have power to do many things. What is better than working to heal and empower ourselves and others to be more human, whole, and compassionate toward ourselves, each other and our entire planet? If I have any power at all this is what I want to do with it. Aaaand, you Elsa!! I’ve written about this before, and I will do so again. You are amazing, and your work is so appreciated by me, and many, many others. Obviously!! πŸ™‚

  195. There have been LOTS of Scorpios in my life.
    They make the:
    Best, most loyal friends.
    Worst, most implacable enemies.
    Most exciting lovers.
    Most spiteful exes.

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