Saturn Conjunct Pluto In Capricorn, January 12, 2020 – Stellium

Saturn conjunct Pluto January 12 2020The graphic is amazing, isn’t it? Saturn will conjunct Pluto in Capricorn at 22 degrees on January 12th, 2020. I’ve been writing about Pluto’s transit through my 12th house for years. This will mark the culmination of that transit as all these planets cross my ascendant.

It’s been nearly 30 years since we’ve had a mashup of this magnitude in Capricorn. If you were into astrology (or born) circa 1990-93, you know what I’m talking about (see Mega- Capricorn).  I remember those years like they were yesterday!

If you were born that stellium in your chart, be sure to pay attention as 2019 winds up and we head into this. This will to be one of the more profound times you’ll have in all your life.  Very hard to top!

People with planets in the later degrees of the other Cardinal signs (Aries, Libra and Cancer) will also be hard hit. If you have a stellium in a t-square in near these degrees of the Cardinal signs, that goes double, triple…exponential.

Where does this stellium fall in your chart? Are you ready for this?

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Saturn Conjunct Pluto In Capricorn, January 12, 2020 – Stellium — 276 Comments

  1. That stellium will be in my 1st House. My ASC is at 17 degrees. In 1993 when that Capricorn megatron was doing on, my marriage of 23 years ended and reconstruction has been ongoing ever since … on all levels. Assuming I’m still around to experience this in 2020 I wonder??

  2. Looks exciting! My 9th house is 22 degrees Capricorn, so both Saturn and Pluto will have just entered it. Plus Jupiter in this chart is conjunct my natal Saturn to the degree.

  3. Almost exactly on my Descendant at 22’53 Cap – I’ve been researching this for a while as it feels pretty major – thanks for the continuing info!

  4. I have no illusions. I’m sure to cope with major losses at this time. All I can do is not sweat the small stuff, because the big stuff is surely coming.

  5. I’m actually kinda scared 😉 This will be in my 6th house, completing a t-square turning it into a grand cross involving natal saturn, uranus, jupiter. When I was younger I definitely thought bad things couldn’t happen to me. Now I know they can…dun dun DUN!!

    What do you do when you’re heading for a brick wall, KNOW you’re heading for a brick wall, but can’t stop yourself from moving towards the wall or the bricks 😉 (not all gloom and doom, it’ll also trine my natal moon/mars in the 10th)

        • For people who have that in their chart…maybe. But those are not personal planets. If you have a lot of personal planets in the Cardinal signs, this is going to impact you in a powerful way – PERIOD.

          • Hey Elsa, can you be more specific? I have a natal Sun/Venus conjunction at 23 Aries and this Saturn/Pluto conjunction is going to square me. It is still a few years away but my intuition and outer world experience says it is transforming my career and allowing me to finally do what I was born to do/be. Thoughts?

  6. Five degrees past my ASC, 1-2 degrees past my North Node and opposing my natal 7th house SN/Uranus , 2 degrees from squaring my Aries Sun and Libra Neptune.
    Actually, 1993 was tumultuous for me, but not really bad, demanding and exciting, very much alive! Think positive!

  7. Wow, this is going to be conjunct my mother’s Sun and opposite her Moon – her birthday is January 10. I hope it’s going to be okay for her.

  8. Well, well. GRIN. My 5th House Sun is at 24 Capricorn, Venus at 22 degrees Capricorn in the House of its Joy, and Mercury at 20 degrees Capricorn. Plus this is the year of my Chiron Return – I guess I will get to see exactly what I’ve made of my life. Do I end up with a dog life or a cat life? The expression is, “Dogs have owners; cats have staff.”

  9. Hmmmm…tasty. Just after my Saturn return, too. The stellium will be just a whisker past my own stellium. I’m preparing for this.

  10. oh geez. 😯

    the 90s Cap stellium was great (except for getting hit by a car when uranus and neptune went over my Asc/Mars – literal whiplash/permanently messed up my neck & back).

    …that 2020 chart, though. (shivers) t. Pluto is going to be squaring my Sun/MC/S node & t. Uranus is going to be opposite them (conjunct my IC/North Node/BML).

    Chiron and BML will be conjunct each other then too – on my t square for my Chiron return. Sounds like a real sh*t show.

    t Pluto on my Sun/S Node/MC was the worst transit ever so I’m a bit scared of this. I think I know what is going to happen (at least one thing). ick.

  11. 7th house for me..I will getting pretty old by then. definitely retirement age . mid sixties. no idea how to forcast that! Will be needing Elsa readings for sure.

    • oh wow, just checked…all those planets in my 7th house and uranus will be almost (2 degrees) conjunct my natal venus in taurus.sounds like love and relationship stuff.

  12. My second house, no significant planet transit. 1990-1993 were good times for me. It got challenging after 1996 and never got as good as those times again.

  13. Holy shlamoley. My Sun at 19 Cap is 3 degrees off this gang, all occurring at the end of my 4th House.

    Whatever it is, it’s Major Reality Home Invasion.

  14. I’m from nineties so I have a natal Uranus Neptune and moon conjunction in Capricorn, all between 14 to 19 degrees. I’ve no idea what to expect?.

  15. 21 Cappy is my DSC, 26 Cappy is my North Node, 26 Cancer is my Mercury & 28 Cancer is my Mars. I’m not ready, but am working hard to get there. I just feel unsure of how to do that some days, but I’m trying.
    Angie

  16. All this will be in my 3rd house in a t-square with natal Saturn in the 5th & Ceres in the 11 th, but supported by a trine with natal Pluto & Uranus in Virgi in the 10th. Not sure how it will go.

    • Wondering that too Xavier, but maybe in regard to the internet? Will it become patrolled and controlled by governments everywhere, like what happens in China? I’m already seeing that showing up in tv shows, where the police access records of people’s internet use to find evidence.

  17. I have Sun and Mercury (chart ruler) conjunct at 22 Cap. So yeah, January 12, 2020 is a big day for me, turning 33 and experiencing the culmination of Saturn-Pluto.

    I had a dream about car brand PLUTO IN CAPRICORN. It’s not a death machine, just a vehicle for self-observation and unfoldment.

    Richard Tarnas writes extensively about the Saturn-Pluto cycle and its correlation with world wars. I want neither an external war nor an internal one – people being at war with themselves, suffering from unresolved neurotic tension, puer battling senex, uninitiated Mars battling everything.

  18. Thank you for the heads up. This is will be exact on my 22 deg Cap Midheaven. It will oppose both my parents Cancer Suns 🙁 How does one prepare mentally for a transit like this?

  19. Hell yeah, that looks just like my chart 🙂

    Don’t forget those of us born in ’89! I’m a mega Capricorn myself: ASC at 2 Cap, Uranus on my ASC, Saturn at 8 degrees, Neptune at 10! As well as poor Cancer Jupiter & Chiron opposing all of this in 7th.

    Mega Cap 2.0, now with Pluto sauce! What a way to kick off my first Saturn return, eh?

    • Though, at this point I’m just going to go with the “whatever happens, happens”. I hate not being in control of my fortunes but I have no choice but to float like an amoeba, because Uranus/Pluto has put my Jupiter through the meat grinder. Saturn/Neptune is about to do the same to my Sag moon. Nothing surprises me anymore, because I expect only negatives to happen

      I have this theory that these transits and the upcoming stellium are equivalent to the trials of Job who suffered losses for 40 years, for those of us with the 89-93 stellium…

    • One thing I’ve noticed about this transit is that Saturn and Pluto will be tribe my Virgo Venus on the dot–0 degree orb. I hope this is for the best. I have terrible fortune concerning love.

  20. This stellium is going to trigger off my Venus at 23.23 Capricorn. Mars and Jupiter conjunct Venus shortly after. I have had to deal with Pluto conjunct my Sun plus the Grand Cross and Solar Eclips (conj my Moon)which created my second marriage break up. First marriage broke up in August 1991. Quietly, I am truly dreading this as Venus is in my 4th house of home and family.

    • Hi Elsa, it will be a humdinger of a time. It has been in my sights for the last few months. Also have Ceres at 21.4 of Capricorn. This stellium will sextiles my North Node in Pisces of 22.42. Wonder if the Lunar Eclipse on July 16, 2019 24 degrees of Cap will be a prelude.

    • Uhmm, I have been wondering about that too…I read it heralds the slow and inevitable fall of the patriarchy here in the US, which a scorpion woman president could arguably represent. It’s happening in my third house, and I have been watching with awe the steady transformation happening in education in this country- changes in student populations, curriculum, structures (online, blended learning, charter schools), school shootings.

  21. I met my husband in early 1990 and married quickly. We were both mid 30’s and wanted family. I had my son in January of 1991 (he is a Cap sun, plus the stellium in his 1st house). Beautiful soul, brilliant but often pained by life’s lessons. First daughter was born in August 1992. Six weeks preemie…rough start but what a fighter, she isn’t heavy Cardinal. My husband and I are both heavy Cardinal, living separately in the same house. Harsh on one end but solid in another. Our family is foremost to both of us – our marriage not so much. Friendship exists though. I have no doubt by 2020 we will be apart. This will all happen in my 5th house and his 7th. It is what it is. Much more concerned about my son, it will be right on his Saturn return, conjoining his Sun.

    • God, this sounds exactly like my family. ‘Living separately in the same house’ – exactly. I hope I can leave much sooner than 2020 as the kids are grown up now, and the youngest has actually moved out.

  22. Oh goody. Right on top of my Mars @ 21 Cap, all (including Jupiter) in my first house. Quincunx my moon @ 21 Leo, semi-sextile my Saturn @ 20 Aqu, and sextiling my Neptune @ 17 Scorp for added ‘clarity’. LOL! Ah, well, as a Capricorn, Saturn ‘the Planet of Adversity’ is supposed to be my friend. 😛

  23. 90-93 was really hard for me. My entire family (immediate & extended) amped up their abuse- physical, sexual, mental and I was being bullied (beaten, spat on, the whole nine). I had no one.

    I doubt there will be a repeat of that unless people want to be deeply harmed in return.

  24. I’m turning 56 tomorrow, and Pluto has conjuncted every planet in my chart, save Uranus. Saturn was the last to be hit, at 8 Capricorn. By 2020, Pluto will be far enough along to start squaring my natal planets again, starting with my 12th-house moon. More intense, yet slow, torture? Nah. I’ve learned some. I saw this poem to day, and it seems to fit:
    ONE STEP BACKWARD TAKEN
    Not only sands and gravels
    Were once more on their travels,
    But gulping muddy gallons
    Great boulders off their balance
    Bumped heads together dully
    And started down the gully.
    Whole capes caked off in slices.
    I felt my standpoint shaken
    In the universal crisis.
    But with one step backward taken
    I saved myself from going.
    A world torn loose went by me.
    Then the rain stopped and the blowing
    And the sun came out to dry me.
    Robert Frost

    • Hard work or possible health problems. Basically, if you have bad (health) habits, you’ve got a few years to get on top them…or face consequences. But it might also be extremely hard work. Um…training to climb Everest would fit this too. I hope you understand.

      • Happy Holidays Elsa!

        Oh boy, I’ve been dealing with health issues for a few years now, but I will talk to you about this at a later date, privately. I’ve been working hard on my personal, and career life very hard during this time, and it is trying.

        Thanks for your time.

  25. Everything falls into my sixth house. …just one more reason to keep working on my eating and exercising habits now.

    I’m worried about my daughter, though. She was born under the cardinal grand cross with her Moon in Capricorn at 15 degrees in the 7th. Pluto/Saturn/Mercury/Sun will be transiting her 8th.

    It looks like her Grand Cross is in the earlier degrees, too far away to form a conjunction…

  26. Elsa, I did the math and lined it up on my chart. I figure I’ll be checking out, if not then, a few years later. I’m intuitive, and I do get it from where IT comes from, most especially if someone close to me is in danger, and it comes to from seemingly out of nowhere! If I’m in trouble, I don’t get the warning, but if it’s going to go down bad for me and I realize in the last moment that I’m in trouble, God and His Universe has ALWAYS pulled me back; it wasn’t my time. Now, about this Stellium, I figure according my calculations that I’ll have about 3 years after that before I check out. It will all be in my 4H, all of it, and natal Chiron is there. I’m not afraid of the clock. In no way do I feel threatened. What information you supplied was already my guess. No fear. You are a dear, and I thank you.

  27. Will be opposing natal venus. Have been considering that. But hate to rush ahead too far. It ain’t broke yet.

    1990-1993 brought major change to my life. Bam! Out with the old, in with the new. Nothing I planned on. It just happened. Bam!!!! I pretty much like where I am now. So the possibility of that happening again is not pleasant. But if like then, it will be the right thing to do. Like no stopping it and I’ll be on board. If like then, it will be the right thing to do.

  28. I’ve been watching Pluto approach that natal Uranus-Neptune conjunction for a while now. That is a natal aspect for my son. To boot, it represents the kite point to his Grand Water Trine.

    Historically, he does not tolerate activation of that kite well. The last activation involved the kite being activated through progression. It resulted in jail time, probation, and a change to our family dynamic that has no indication of ever resolving.

    I haven’t looked as far ahead to when this Pluto-Saturn conjunction activates it. My focus and worries are on 2017 when Pluto is within a few degrees of Neptune-Uranus and transiting Uranus will be transiting his Aries Sun.

    • Dear Stacey,
      I was so naive up till now when I was thinking that kite is so good and positive aspect in general. I thought that grand trine holders might be happy in several areas of life… That is so shocking. I have a kite in my natal as well…
      Hugs

      • Alice – a kite CAN be a good thing. Energy is not good or bad until directed. My son has a habit of forcing tough lessons on himself. The Grand Water Trine has results in some of the most amazing opportunities to literally fall into his lap. He sees these as ‘normal’ and then tends to squander them. He had a Uranus transit a few years ago that hit him hard. It should have been an easier lesson, but he didn’t want to learn. As Uranus retrograded moved forward again, the lesson kept going deeper with more permanent consequences.

        I would not expect others with this configuration to make the same decisions my son has.

        • Dear Stacey,
          Thank you for your reply. It s great to learn. My little son has several major oppositions – grand cross in his natal chart, he s somehow forced to transform rough energies right from the beginning. He had to have physiotherapy following troubled birth and he has become extra strong. Grand cross: pluto in first house in Sag opposes Mars in seventh house in Gemini, Mercury in ninth house Libra opposes Juno in third. All square each other.
          But he s loved by everyone, even strangers (Neptune conjunct Chiron and Jupiter in Aqua in 2nd house, Leo Venus trines Aries Juno and sextiles Libra mercury)

  29. That’s interesting. I have my Venus at 29 Cap and my AC is 26 Cap. The stellium will square my Mars in Libra and my husband’s Cancer Mars at exactly 22 degrees. How will the affect him? Mars is in the 5th house.

  30. 1st house. Asc 16 Cap. Squaring my 3rd house Jupiter in Aries at 20. Mercury at 26 Cap. So both my communicative planets are getting hit. It ll be squaring someone’s Saturn in Libra in 1st house. Judgement day?

  31. Hi Elsa,

    Without telling to much personal info, I had to write this.
    1990-1993 brung death in March (91′). A lost (people)at the end of the summer of (92), but a return in summer of (94) and a new birth and a new life in the early spring of March(94). I’ll be turning 50, with trines to my 10th house Sun,Saturn and Mercury, and 3rd house Pluto in the year 2020.

  32. It will be conjunct my natal Saturn and within five degrees of my natal Jupiter, in my fifth house. What a Saturn return! And my saturn is trine my Venus and my midheaven, and generally well placed.

  33. 90-93, was a little kid, friend group had a huge fight so no one was talking, then moved to a new state with higher standards, homework was agony, ended up friendless for about a year, that part of the experience sucked badly haha. But ended up better as I connected with my moms side of the family. Wonder what will happen 2020. Maybe I’ll move again?

    9th house moon & other stellium

  34. Oh Buddha,
    This stellum will be on my son’s natal moon conjunct lilith in second house, at that time he will be 10 years old. Luckily his natal moon is trine natal Virgo Saturn 9H ( some kind of stability and support).
    Just like Elsa I will have whole Cap stellum in 12H. Skin problems like rosacea once again? Deep changes? Investigations? stellum will be opposite to my progressed Sun in sixth house. Like everyone i need to prepare.
    Hugs to all of you

  35. I was born 1/29/92. So, my Pluto is at 21 degrees Scorpio and conjuct my MC, in the 10th, yada yada.
    I’m also Cap rising, Saturn is conjoined my Aqua Sun in the 1st, both at 9 degrees. Then I have Uranus, Neptune, Mars (those three in stellium at 15-16 degrees), Venus, and Mercury ALL in the 12th. That stellium also trines my Jupiter in the 8th. Questions: 1. Does anyone have information about the possibly importance of that Stellium, and 2. Since Mars is also Exalted in Cap, what does it say being conjoined to Uranus, etc. Any response is appreciated. Thanks guys

    • oh, you scorpio stellium, you get a sextile. But the waxing square isn’t far behind. I like the pluto in scorpio generation. The ones I know seem to want to make a difference with the work they do, but yet aren’t over causy (which I appreciate). I wish that generation all the best. I am sure they can power through it. I could be wrong and someone please correct me if I am, but I think the 12th is hidden enemies and I take that as self undoing. But you must have a handle on that with all that activity in the 12th or you would be gone by now. I would think, and I am no astrologer, so I am just feelin it out that neptune in your stellium might ease that uranus mars conjunction. You could be more sensitive (neptune) to your surroundings and the people around you (the collective) and take that into consideration rather than just lashing out or acting out thoughtlessly. Uranus neptune has a spiritual ring to it for me. And to me mars in capricorn is what I call Alexander the Great Commander. I think it works in the military but it can be very hard on us civilians. If you get a chance to do any leadership training, I would take it if I were you. Let me know if I have you totally wrong. I can learn from that.

      • Oh and I don’t mean you have to be the leader if it’s not for you, but it will expand the understanding of what that really means.

  36. I was thinking about this last night after seeing it on this site. I looked at it from Pluto represents money, and Saturn is confusion/delusion and generally getting it wrong – financial crash anyone – could this finally be the date.
    BTW in a months time Saturn will be semi-sextiling Pluto – extreme financial tension.
    Personally the good thing about this will be that Pluto and Saturn will have passed squaring my Jupiter/Venus in Aries, and therefore will not make this angle simultaneously as what they will do with each other. The bad news is that they will both (particularly Saturn) make an angle with the aforementioned before passing. I suppose for myself the badness is before they conjunct.

      • If Venus represents money then that Jupiter/Venus should have produced a lot. Not the case though. I believe it (pluto) represents money. I believe this as in my later life I have got into Magi-astrol. They have been pretty damned accurate about everything in my studies of astrology. Much, much and much more accurate than Linda Goodmans Sun Sign type astrology thats popular in the western world. Also following the magi principle when looking at that jupiter/venus the planet venus has passed Jupiter and even though its only in the next degree there is no angle – its passed. Also figures – yes. I spent years trying to work with the aforementioned sun signed astrology and got no where. Its to vague and loose – anything goes, anything can be linked, there are no rules etc…

        • Someone once referred to astrology as art science. I like the flex. We get to understand the energies and create the life we want. Find our truth. Use what works.

          • Someone?? Who was this someone? What qualifications did this someone have? In particular how much studying had been put into astrology? Did this someone only use the typical sun sign western astrology?
            Trouble is we can make anything work – you ask any medium standing up fishing for a reply – I see a man in black with a tall hat. His name is frank or francis – here, a hand goes up. Joseph Goebbels knew this – if I can repeat a lie enough times eventually it will be believed. I have altered it a little – If I here anything enough times eventually I will believe it, even the truth.
            For something to work it has to undergo rigorous scrutiny. Check the record, check the record then check the record again.
            Dispel vagueness – remember, if you meet the buddha on the road kill him.

            • Gosh, you are more serious than I am. Which by the way I am trying to quit. I don’t follow gospel anything. I don’t believe much of anything. While often naive about people and their motives, I am not an easy sell. If I come off that way, you got the wrong number. I would rather be happy than right. I see astrology as a tool. A system. If it helps a person deal with their existence it’s a good thing. I like experiencing life. I like listening to other’s experience of life. Believe it or not I find it interesting. The different takes. And most of all I like learning from others.

              Oh and it was a review in a newspaper that fell under the category art science. No one was professing anything. I saw it and it rang true for me. That’s all.

              I hope this does not offend you, but is magi astrology your buddha? Records and facts, facts and records, construct makers, that’s all they are. Walls go up and walls go down. It’s a cycle.

              So what makes us so different from each other. You like it nailed down nice and neat and I? I don’t mind your take but we would drive each other nuts, eh? I could never get it right enough. Such is my fate??? 😀

              • I realise how vague astrology is, and how vague astrologers are as a consequence.

                For astrology to work it has to prove that when a certain angle happens then a certain thing happens. Not easy with normal western astrology as the orbs are so big that everything plus the kitchen sink could be used, and always is used. Which would make make any interpretation inaccurate. 3 degree orb and only applying cuts down on the clutter. You get to see what is really happening. For instance, and you are quite right, I am quite serious, this is because of a mercury saturn conjunction (its also parallel so a double conjunction). I am fine with it, but others may not be. I am not serious about everything – I like silliness.

                About two days ago a rocker named Lemmy died – lead of Motorhead. His birth chart has Pluto at 11 degrees retrograde. Where Saturn by transit is at 10 degrees of Sagg. Its within 3 degrees – I think it likely this is why he kicked the bucket.

                I am like everyone else – lost in this world. Its not my buddha – I am just trying to find a more accurate astrology, and magi seems to be it, although like you and seriousness, I am, or at least have though of dropping it as it will never be precise.

                You may have caught the blast from that aforementioned mercury/saturn conjunction being aspected by mercury ans mars, which thankfully is over.

                All the best.

        • I recently came to the same conclusion. I mean that Pluto and not Venus rules money. But I was probably also influenced by the Magi system. It makes some good points. Especially the interpretation of Chiron is tested, confirmed and finally adopted by many non-Magi astrologers meanwhile. But most of the Magi system was simply taken from traditional astrology and then renamed, but never discovered by Magi astrologers as they claim it. Everybody, who gave traditional astrology a chance, knows that. So you’re judging both sides really unfair!

          Jupiter transiting my Pluto has also never given me money or increased my financial power. So obviously certain transits don’t mean that certain things happen.

          With other things, especially the interpretation of asteroids, where Magi astrologers would have the chance to do pioneer work, the Magi system fails even more seriously.

          By the way, the Sun sign is rather irrelevant in traditional astrology.

  37. my progressed sun will be 21 capricorn in jan. 2020. By then i will have experienced 9 conjunctions between pluto and progressed sun, starting march 2016, ending oct 2019. i just counted them. 7th house. i guess saturn and jupiter will also join the party in 2019. i have a new therapist and i think we’re going to do some really good work. i’m accepting this as a great opportunity. by 2020 i’ll be ready for chiron return in 10th and who knows what else. a new life that can’t be imagined from this vantage point.

  38. Oh my poor vesta at 21 aries in 12th house! She will be crushed. My natal moon / saturn conjunction at 17/18 aries also 12th house will be hammered as well. The conjunction is currently under pressure from uranus and soon pluto. This stellium in 2020 definitely means something.

  39. Sounds somewhat dramatic to me. I have Stellium in Libra (with three of my personal planets plus Uranus); all involved in a T-square with Saturn and Chiron. This will make up a nice little Grand cross. Uagh!

  40. Wow, I hope it means “777” I am born 1/9/59 at 11:11 am, lucky or unlucky I think it’s hard to call I am trying hourly to keep my positive energy as a force field . I am one of 9 children mama born on 8/13 daddy 11/02, I have a boatload of stories, it’s surprising to me I am alive and sane,trauma and drama just surviving an ongoing divorce but determined to find real peace and love the struggle with having enough$$ and calm is always an” ah really, now , that’s what you think?” But I am determined to find strength courage peace and I’ll take prayers for some real love, it is my turn, right?

  41. All I’m really getting on this is that I am never really ready for much of anything, but I do have a sense of clearing the way for something to come. I really am vague. :DDDDD

  42. Hi Elsa and everyone,
    New here!
    It will fall into my 5th House, not sure what this will mean as believe this is the enjoy yourself and passion house! Will Trine my Sun & Venus in 10th House at this time also.
    Wishing you all a nice week!
    John Henry

  43. This’ll hit me in my 11th house w/ Jupiter in Capricorn. Surely it’s not time for ‘spring cleaning’ again? Many of my friends dropped off during the Uranus-Pluto square years because we were all going in different directions (and some showed their true colors). Is this going to be as tough as it was then?

    • It’s going to be different. You’re different and the planets are different.

      Hard to say, thumbs up or down without seeing the whole chart.

  44. My Saturn/Pluto for 2020 is 8th house Capricorn….natal Pluto is 3rd house.
    1990-1993 were really tough years for me; and my father passed in 1991.
    This looks scary-any thoughts?

  45. This lands on my 21 degree Capricorn ascendant. I’m really quite concerned about what all of this will do to me. Pluto first crosses the ascendant in March of 2018 and then appears to skate back and forth across it. Should I be terrified?

    • Yes you should,but then go beyond terror into the land of impetus and preparation for catastrophe,the stoic philosophers understood this.Should you survive,you will be transformed from this crucible of pain to rebuild from the remnants of your psyche.This period will reveal what you are as opposed to what you think you are.I hope you survive this extremely difficult time.When Pluto first crosses your ascendant in 2018 this will be a precursor as to what to expect in Jan 2020.Astrology points to a meaning for existence,incarnation for purpose,a truth worth remembering during shitty episodes of our life.Best wishes,Astromancer

    • I made it through, and so will you! Just do your best to slow (your thinking) down and think things through. You will feel under tremendous pressure, and your character will be tested over and over again.

    • Your ascendant is who you are and Pluto will show yourself what you are hiding, Pluto does 4 runs at 21 Capricorn, how do I know, its opposite my Sun.!!! I think Pluto is about money, wills, and insurances (life). Maybe you should think in those ways.Its opposite your partnership house, protect yourself as much as possible. 2020 will be about money and power,(BANKING)like an actual war, with Uranus in Taurus in trine (bless) watch the weather for growing foods like 1930s/1940s, for me Uranus will mean weird bartering of money and food stuffs being rationed, governments telling us all what to do and we all need to think of how to shore up our recources now. The good news is that we all have to realise we are in it together. I am sure my husband will die, its the worse feeling in the universe. and, yes, he is ill longterm. No pensions, benefits might be the world governments hold over us all. Keep in touch.

  46. Hi, Elsa. This is my first post. That is my birthday. I have full moon with 21 Cancer moon and 20 Cappy sun, which is 3degrees from my MC/IC line. My full moon line exactly falls on my husband’s MC/IC line, so supposing somthing will happen between us. I have natal Saturn/Pluto midpoint on 22 Cap, so it doubles the meaning, but hoping it will end inagood way because my natal Cappy Sun trines with my natal Taurus Saturn and also trines with my natal Virgo Pluto, not harsh aspect. When Pluto crossed my Libra ASC many many years ago, I moved to a new town and was bullied there, but after suffering, got inspired one day, and transformation sunddenly occured to me. I was not a weeping girl any more and finally I overcome the situation. I hope I will manage somehow this time too.

  47. Back in 1990s I got this stellium hitting my 12th and I was a child. I was very shy, escapism into a world of my own, and at that period suffered some health problems at that time. When Uranus and Neptune entered my first around 2000, it was a liberation and an awakening.

    In 2020, the conjunction will again hit my 12th before all those planets move to the ascendant. As Uranus enters my 4th, I foresee emotional events ahead, changes in family and a deep introspective inwards period.

    More difficult is currently the T-square of Saturn, Neptune and Jupiter hitting directly my Moon and my MC. Many relationship changes.

  48. Wow, the Sun/Saturn/Pluto conjunction on January 12th, 2020 at 22 degrees Capricorn will conjunct my natal Saturn (which is at 22 degrees Capricorn also) so it will be my first Saturn return at the same time! Sounds pretty scary! ??

    • Sounds like your maturity will be heavily tested, and how you relate to power/power abuse (yours and others). I wonder what the issues are…what house?

    • I had my 1st Saturn return in 1986.(1st house) The first Saturn return is about RESPONSIBILITY, getting married, getting divorced, having your first child, starting up a business. I divorced my violent first husband, the things he did afterwards well I lived through them with literally no money and 2 small children to bring up. Its about maturing and all I can say is that the 2nd Saturn return is a lot better, been there, done that. Capricorn is about maturity, Saturn often a father figure, Pluto makes you look inside yourself (men) and Scorpions. Its not all about just men, women can be worse! Start now particulary from this winter or before, try to look through events and people who you live and work with. It will help, but, you probably won’t like what you find out. Use that power. Empower yourself. LOVE YOURSELF. I wish someone had told me!! Only just realising who I am at 60. Finally, like I tell myself, try not to worry too much. Pluto is a great healer and enabler.

  49. Stellium (in 4th house) will conjunct natal Chiron which opposes natal Jupiter/Uranus conjunction and quincunx natal Pluto, and square natal Neptune; however, it will trine natal Sun. That date tr Jupiter will be conjunct natal Mars/NN. All aspects less than 2 degrees :O

  50. Stellium (in 4th house) will conjunct natal Chiron which opposes natal Jupiter/Uranus conjunction, and will quincunx natal Pluto, and square natal Neptune; however, it will trine natal Sun. That date tr Jupiter will be conjunct natal Mars/NN, which trine natal Moon. All aspects less than 2 degrees :O

  51. Hi Everyone, hi Elsa. This 2020 conjunction will happen on my birthday, Jan 10th, with an eclipse on that day as well. Pluto will have already crossed my 3rd house sun by 2 degrees when Saturn catches up to him, and then Mars will join them a few weeks later. As these 3 planets are the power brokers of our cosmos, and they are merging together, this is going to be quite a show. Uranus will be entering my 7th house DC in that same period. Do you think we will all get a hint of what is to come when Mars rolls over these planets this fall(2016), even if Saturn is still in Sag?

    • Welcome, freeyourgenie. We might get a preview, but it’s not something I’d be paying mind too. Not because this is not valid, but because it’s so far out. Mars will cross this degree again, before the conjunction. Even at that point, I’d think it premature.
      But I want to stress, this is just one person’s view. 🙂

      • Thank you Elsa. So, 3rd house; paying mind too, personal point of views: maybe I will need to be more mindful of other people’s points of view (or read their minds)? That’s more upbeat than what I was thinking in regard to 3rd house issues. Thank you for that!

        • Last time Pluto and Saturn were conjunct, it was on my ascendent. My brother died in a motorcycle accident, followed by other painful and private incidences during the year.

          • It will be on my ascendant this time. Did you have anything going on with your third house? Or do you have some sort of planet there? I’m looking at my chart and worrying. I know there isn’t much I can do about it but I wondered if you could see anything that this stellium hit?

            • Hi amh,
              My Capricorn sun in the 3rd house was getting squared by the Saturn & Pluto conjunction, which was also trining Saturn in my 4th. The moon was entering my 8th house. He was a Gemini, which is my 8th house. My Pluto/Uranus/Mars stellium in the 11th house was opposite transiting Mercury (sibling) and sun(male) in the 5th. Even if I knew astrology back then, I would not have seen it coming, as Venus was just entering my 7th house and was sitting on the DC, though of course that means she was in opposition to the Saturn/Pluto conjunction on the ascendent, and trining transiting Neptune at the end of the 2nd house (which was conjunct my venus/mercury). He was a really nice guy, the kind everybody likes- maybe a Libra ascendent? I don’t know. Worrying won’t help, but remembering to love the people in your life everyday will make everyone feel better:)

      • Hi everyone,
        I’m new at this so please bear with me. The stellum in Cap in 2020 will be conjuncting my own Saturn and pretty darn close to my Jupiter in Cap (2deg). My birthday is in Aries (March) and my Asc is in Sag. So this stellum is happening in my 2nd and 10th houses respectively. I plan to retire in April, 2020. The stellum is 90 deg to my sun in Aries and 120 deg to my moon in Taurus. Will the eclipse of DEc. 26 2019 affect this? Your thoughts and ideas are welcome. I enjoy reading all your thoughts on the subject. It is quite educational. Thanks everyone and Thanks Elsa for letting us add to your original posting.
        Rookie.

        • Important steps in life, like retirement, will of course be shown somehow by transits.

          Eclipses have a long term effect. The longer they can be seen, the longer the effect.

          • There will be a full moon lunar eclipse on Jan. 10, 2020 in Cancer 20 deg., just before the stellium – you could practically call this Lunar eclipses part of the stellium as it is so close( and perhaps it is!). Lunar eclipses are so emotional….part of the Saros series 144 (not sure if that is relevant). The first one occurred on May 25, 2013. I’ll have to do some more research to understand what this could mean to my retirement date or anything else that it may bring. I have the feelings that whatever choice I make it will be for the long run as my Saturn and my Jupiter are being “touched” by the stellium… Eclipses bring so many new changes…..Thanks. Love the expertise and ideas that you all bring forward.
            F.

            • Well Francine, I believe it signals an ending. An ending of a career or life style would be a positive way to move through that energy- Maybe they will have an amazing party for you 2 days after you retire! My birthday is Jan 10, and this looks like a funeral for me, or someone I love. Accident or death on the 10th, funeral or death 2 days later. I only say this because it will be squaring what happened to me in 1983, the last time Pluto and Saturn were in close alignment, and I lost my dear brother. Maybe you should look back at what was happening in 1983 for you, to see what may be coming to an end, or repeating.

              • Well, if I go ahead with my retirement plan, it will be an ending for sure. (BD is March 30th, Sun at 10 deg. Aries and Sag. Asc. at 2 deg.) As for 1983, my first son was born in May, 1983. We were married in Dec. 1981, moved into our house in Feb. 1982 and then the birth a year later. You’re right, I should check what happened in those years and see where the transit of the planets influenced or may again influence what happened then and how it compares to my coming retirement.
                As for a party, that would be great! I would love that! But we will see… it is after all 4 years in the future. I am sorry if you feel you will have a death or an accident to a dear one in your life. I hope this won’t happen….Hard to predict, isn’t it? All the best! Thanks.

              • I downloaded my firstborn son’s chart and the eclipse/Saturn Stellium of Jan. 2020 will be opposite his Venus in Gemini (Venus conjuncts his ascendant). Wow. Lots of changes there for him as well.

            • Are you counting on social security for a part of your retirement? Since this will be hitting the collective USA in the 2nd house, maybe you will need your son’s support? Just an idea…

      • Here’s some new data Elsa- transiting pluto conjuncting my natal sun at 19 degrees in the third house, trining transiting mars conjunct natal jupiter in the 7th: today at 1 o’clock in the afternoon a rabid raccoon charged me in my driveway. He came out of nowhere (Uranus transiting end of my 6th). My little Westie (dog) came to the rescue to protect me fiercely, and locked into mortal combat with the raccoon. Then, I had to save my little dog before the raccoon killed him. Love that dog!

  52. This conjunction exactly over my 9th house mars indicates my physical death.This is not so bad as I have had a shitty life anyway.I only hope that it’s not a violent ending, which it implies.On a more global level this is the next great war.Tensions will escalate in 2019 and the chance of nuclear weapons being used are high.It will be of some small solace that millions of others will also die during this period and many more millions will wish that they had never been born due to the anguish and devastation they will have to endure,both on a personal and collective level.Sun,Saturn,Pluto = vitality obliterated by misery and death! Have a nice day.

    • If this is a parody on sulking teenagers/ botched attempt at trolling, then I must admit it’s mildly funny, more so if read in Werner Herzog’s gloomy voice.

      If this is a true statement of a misanthropic and attention-seeking individual, then you, dear Astromancer, should indeed read Stoics, also Cioran (your soulmate), German curmudgeons a la Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, and everything that reveals the hidden patterns of our lives. So, whether you are a young troll or premature curmudgeon, educate yourself (9th house) on how the world really works (Capricorn) and fight (Mars) against meaninglessness (Sagittarian shadow). 2020 is the perfect time to read about the roots of Nazism (Saturn and Pluto being prominent in Nazis’ charts) and maybe about clinical depression as descent to the Underworld, although I’m not sure you are depressed, dear A., depressed people are unable to write such long blog comments. And, dear troll, do you believe that physical death is THE end? Rhetorical question, I’ve no time for discussions, just got curious about the real meaning of Astromancer’s wacky comment.

      • Well,to answer the question of trolldom,no I am not a troll and I don’t seek attention any more than the average person.My point is that some people try to put on rose tinted spectacles when looking at a devastating astrological conjunction including;Mercury,Sun,Saturn and Pluto.Any competent astrologer should recognise this when a client has a natal planet or critical point at 22′ Capricorn.And because the two most karmic planets are involved,with Pluto being a generational one also,humanity as a collective is going to suffer terribly.What would you say to someone who has moon conjunct ascendant at 22’Capricorn? Not a good day to put the washing out ? Might I suggest you educate yourself more fully in western astrology.You seem to be spending too much time reading the modernist philosophers.

    • Never heard of the Tiger Lillies,although I’m sure they sooo cooool.You remind me of a long necked bird that has the the reputation of plunging it’s head in the sand when trouble is on the horizon.Make sure you are near a sand pit on Jan 12th 2020.Although you should become aware of the impending disaster a couple of months before so you will have plenty of time to construct one.I would advise a pair of swimming goggles to protect your eyes,and snorkel of course.I have two grams of opiates stashed if the ending becomes too painful.But who needs those when you have the ignorance of youth to rely upon.Just keep telling yourself,” awful things only happen to other people.”

        • Dear Elsa, I don’t think these are attacks, and they do seem quite impersonal to me, but I apologize anyway.

          Dear Astromancer, do bother searching my comment from December 23 (just ctrl+F my nickname) where I speak of wars and personal transits. As my Sun-Mercury conjuncts your Mars in Capricorn, I can’t help thinking we’re in a battle for the right to comment on reality. Who owns reality, whose sight is clearer, who is free of delusions? No one is. Is such thing as reality check even possible? Very objective things, such as wars, have very subjective meaning for different people. Moreover, if it’s not a war for oil and drugs, no one is going to annihilate you in your cozy American (?) home. Wars are sneaky these days, I think the proper term is hybrid war.

          Have you ever heard of Caroline C. Casey? She’s my favourite human, her Jungian stand-up routines are the best. One of her sayings is very pertinent to our discussion. “As prophecies and predictions rise, remember to vote for reality with your imagination.” If you don’t like, don’t vote. Why on God’s green earth would I vote for doom, death, Third World War, Trump presidency, Putin and ISIS destroying the world, etc, etc.

          Why do you cast your vote on doom? Because your life is shitty? You can’t be serious.

          • Yes,I do predict doom from this rare and catastrophic convergence.I base this on 32 years studying astrology and several years practising on a semi-professional basis.Are you fully aware that just within the last century 150 million deaths occurred due to war and countless others were blighted by its effects.Are you naive enough to think this will never occur again ? Do you consider cruise missiles with atomic warheads ‘sneaky’? The best outcome I can envisage comes from the sabian symbol for 22 degrees Cap; a general accepts defeat gracefully,possibly echoing the Cuban missile crisis of 62.This I feel also has relevance for people who have personal planets and points at that degree.Accepting defeat with grace.I think you are just as afraid as numerous other people who have commented on this blog site,but you lack the candour and humility of maturity to admit it- ‘my favourite human’shows all too clearly your level of maturity.Have you ever lived with this woman for a week ? Just keep applying the sun cream as the thunder clouds gather.

          • Anastasia,I am sorry for my part in the slanging match that our conversation turned into.The thought that my Mars conjunct your Sun/Mercury did cross my mind.Also my Aquarian’ know all’ stellium can often prompt me to descend into point scoring debate.If you were hurt by my comments I am truly sorry.I hope you continue to develop your astrological skills.We are fellow astrologers living in a time when empirical proof is still a God, so we need to stick together,yes? Best Wishes,Astromancer.

            • Oh no, I’m hugely disappointed in astrology, have been for some time. It’s of no help in pattern-tracing, depths-probing and character-gazing. It does not cure sarcasm, or help reduce neurotic tension, nor does it seem to prevent middle-age bitterness. Astrology still has uses, but they are not to be discussed here.

              Our online bickering brought a lot of resentment to the surface, so I guess I should thank you, Astromancer. I live in a very poor and corrupt country currently at war with another country (not in my city, yet still) and I often wonder whether a truly disruptive and violent war, like in Syria, is possible in Europe. It’s not that I put (often trashy) Europe over (highly cultured) Syria in a bizarre bout of Euro entitlement, I just think… Well, who cares what I think. Let’s all just stop prophesizing doom, okay?

              • Anastasia,re your huge disappointment with astrology,could this be that you expect too much from it?.Astrology only points to the causes of neurosis,bitterness etc.I have come to the opposite conclusion,that astrology is the best tool for mapping the psyche.Lastly,it is only me,not everyone here that is predicting doom,for me personally and mankind generally,and I do consider that I am entitled to express this belief/opinion, as you are to refute or disregard it.I do not see the point in continuing any further dialogue as we seem to highly antagonistic to each other in temperament and maturity.

  53. Thank you ‘free your genie’for the comment.I can see where you are coming from re;power and education system in the U.S.A. However,having looked at this more closely over the last few days I conclude that the actual ‘event’ will occur at the beginning of April 2019 when Pluto passes over the moon’s south node( what we have accumulated to date) From this time until Jan 12th 2020 much of western civilisation will deteriorate rapidly until that date when the civilised mind and communication(mercury) will begin to fully comprehend what has occurred.The sabian symbols I have found to be very accurate when constructing someone’s natal chart and I have found the symbols either side of the main degree highly significant,in this instance,21 degrees Cap- a relay race( passing on the baton to the emerging civilisation,and 23 degrees Cap;a soldier receiving two medals for heroic combat, another military omen,possibly indicating honor bestowed upon those who tried to diffuse or ameliorate the damage from this global event.Jupiter conjunct the south node during Jan 2020 I would interpret as the first green shoots of growth of this new,transformed(pluto) civilisation.I consider myself fortunate to have lived so far in a country and era when I have not been affected by any major wars but this will unfortunately change during the period mentioned and I would predict you also living in the U.S.A.( a cancerian country)opposing this stellium in capricorn will also be affected.Hope for the best but prepare for the worst is,I think,is all we can do.

  54. Thank you for sharing those interesting thoughts Astromancer. I agree, it is possible that the military will be involved, but would it be needed for a man-made or natural disaster? How about the failing of the European Union? That could fit the Sabian symbol you mentioned in a post about a general admitting defeat with grace, no? Heads of state, and their brilliant plan didn’t work out. Can it dissolve without physical conflict? The UK and Germany, big players in the world’s global economy, are both reported to be either Capricorn or Aries nations, and Mars (the God of War) will be joining Pluto and Saturn, along with (international) Jupiter, in 2020.

    I do wonder about China though, a reported Libran country, being squared by this…there are over 1 million international students studying in America at the post-secondary level (www.migrationpolicy.org), paying full tuition, and 31% of them are Chinese. At the secondary level, in private boarding schools, it is common to have a student population that is between 30% to 50% Chinese, paying full tuition. If something happens in/with China, or to China’s economy, many private schools wouldn’t be able to keep their doors open for long. If the students didn’t or couldn’t come back to the States from Spring Break in April 2019 (message to Mercury you mentioned), would these schools be able to open for the 2019/2020 school year? What would that do to their local communities? It would really hurt mine (this conjunction will happen in my 3rd house), with all the private schools with international (Jupiter/south node conjunction with eclipse, Jan 2020) students in the area.

    Many post-secondary schools (Jupiter again) are already struggling with declining enrollments and retention rates. One last thing to consider in regard to higher education – The enormous black hole of student debt our native students have racked up, the inability of many of them to pay it back, and how that could mirror the Savings & Loan crisis of the last Saturn/Pluto conjunction.

    All that being said, an internet review of events from that last conjunction in 1982/3 shows no major world conflicts (just lots of assignations/assignation attempts and small turf wars), but there was “one major structural change of huge future global significance – the repositioning of Islam into the geopolitical arena and the seeding of fundamentalist terrorism” (cyclesofhistory.com), and then we got 9/11 at the opposition phase of this pluto/saturn cycle. We will be finishing that cycle up, and beginning a new one: “May you live in interesting times”, is actually a Chinese curse.

    • Thanks for your response.Yes,you could well be right that it could be a ‘natural’ disaster needing the military but I am still sticking with a major war,between whom, I don’t know.I base this on the reasons previously mentioned as well as Chiron( wounded/healer) entering Aries as Pluto conjuncts the Moon’s south node in April 2019 then Chiron retrogrades later that year until Jan 2020 when it returns to direct motion at 1 and a half degrees Aries.This retrograde over the beginning few degrees of Aries really bothers me with the Aries association
      with war and a( collective?) wounding. Albert Einstein’s quote of,”It is appallingly obvious that our technology exceeds our humanity” made a strong impact upon me when I read it,and I foresee that this point in human history 2019/20 will be a time when the result of this discrepancy will be painfully obvious to all.

      • That’s great that you brought up Chiron…with everything else going on in the sky, I have neglected to pay attention to Chiron, and need to check that out. What I find most dense and hard to figure about these super powerful transits is the way they can hit one on a personal and/or collective level. The cycle starting from 82/83 touched me personally, with the loss of my brother, and terrorism has touched me on a collective level. But, it hasn’t impacted my personal life, though many others have not been so fortunate. For them, it is the opposite, and life was just fine until terrorism impacted their life. Then there are those who get hit both ways.

        • For America, it looks like voting fraud from other countries, through technology, might be a serious issue in 2020- What a crazy idea that the leader of another country can determine who rules America, but then again, Uranus has been very active these past few years.

  55. Thankyou ‘free your genie’ and I am sorry to hear of your brother’s death in 82/83 and I hope that this has not led to any long term damage for you. As I understand that transit it involves the transformation(pluto) of communism(structure-saturn) in Russia.Lenoid Brezshnev died in 1982 and with him died the belief that a planned economy could work and when Gorbachov took over a few years later he realised drastic restructuring was needed- perastroika etc- of the whole soviet economy,if total economic collapse was to be avoided.That conjunction in Libra (balance) pertained to a rebalancing of Russia to embrace a socialist/capitalist dynamic as the best way to proceed. On the subject of Chiron,I have found it highly significant in people who consult me for a chart reading,indeed approx 50% of people have a difficultly placed natal Chiron and a further 20% ask for a consultation during a difficult Chiron transit.Of course people generally ask questions when they are suffering or unsure of the path their life is taking.I have yet to be consulted by someone stating that they are blissfully happy and wanting to know why that is so.Does happiness dull our curiosity? or do we feel that we deserve happiness and don’t deserve its opposite ?-ha ha! But the position of Chiron proceeding and during this conjunction and its retrograde motion only reinforces my belief that this is war,and a major one! Einstein also said,” I don’t know about a 3rd world war but the 4th will be fought with sticks and stones” The more I look at this time period from an astrological perspective the more I am fearful for myself and human beings collectively.I am not coming from a Nostradamus point of view because I hope to God that I am proved wrong ! but with the ( collective?) Sun involved in this I think a great many people will be thrown back to the level of instinctual survival- Saturn in Capricorn. Re your question on personal versus collective impact, this surely depends on where you live.If I lived in London rather than Cornwall I would be more concerned about the effects of terrorist attacks on a purely personal level and I guess this must be the same for you,particularly as 9/11 dramatically showed that no country,however powerful is immune from well organised and well funded terrorists who are willing to die for their misguided beliefs.

    • I hadn’t thought of the old USSR, and how it transformed into Russia over that time period, with the loss of territory and beliefs that brought with it. That is an excellent observation. Thank you for sharing! If that is the case, maybe this next cycle will be about China (Libra sun getting squared). They still profess communism, but practice a thriving capitalistic society, on an individual level. I saw a documentary/expose’ filmed in China about 10 years ago where the farmers (with their shovels and sickles) where fighting the business (land) developers (with their guns) to the death, on a nightly basis, for their survival (the land they need to produce a living/live); an informal civil war bubbling under the surface (Pluto).

      There has been talk about how the US will be experiencing its Pluto return, and that it will be in the same place it was when the American Revolution against England was fought. You stated one of the Sabian Symbols involved is the handing over of the baton to the next runner (super power). Perhaps the US will hand over the baton, and another nation (China?) will become the new super power? On the other hand, all the petty disrespectful chatter/criticism coming from Asia, including China, over Obama’s last visit there is unprecedented. Perhaps this next Pluto/Saturn cycle will bring back the US manufacturing base in Asia to American soil.

      • Looking at China’s chart (October 1, 1949, 3:01:36 pm), the conjunction in Jan 2020, will be on their Jupiter in the 12th house, and mars will be conjunct their Chiron, in the 10th. It’s going to hurt, and that hurt will be public.

        • Oh, and their Libra sun getting all those squares is in their 8th house, right next to Mercury & Neptune (Monopoly money? House of cards? nuclear attack?)

            • thank you for bringing China to my attention.I have not looked into it’s chart but from what you have described astrologically it could well involve them.They have,however, been very clever over the past 20 years in taking a neutral or low key involvement in international disputes,concentrating on building up their own economy.The only way I could forsee them getting involved would be their claim over Taiwan or some major incident on their border with Russia or in Tibet.Unfortunately I cannot see any manufacturing base returning to the U.S or western Europe from Asia as the bottom line seems to be; how can you compete when workers in those countries will accept 50p an hour instead of our minimum wage of £6 plus per hour ? I think the American economy will fare better than ours as there seems to be a strong emphasis on buying goods produced in the U.S.A. although I’m sure you are ‘feeling the pinch’ also.As for the Pluto revolution,please don’t try to get one back on us by invasion,we are Americanised enough with Hollywood films etc. ha ha !

              • Ha ha- no worries, Bollywood is eclipsing Hollywood. I can’t find any American-made goods to buy in this country, except for food and sport balls. Yes, the Chinese have been very clever to conceal (or at least not publicize) the extent of their octopus-like expansion, especially in Africa, and the 8% of America they own (http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/).

                China has North Korea as a land bordering, next-door neighbor (mercury). If American factories get destroyed and/or contaminated by a (nuclear) attack from North Korea, or between North Korea and Japan (where tension is being reported in the news), American businesses might not have a choice about taking a hit in profits, and bringing those factories back home.

      • Did anyone else see that news article about the billionaire Chinese glass-maker who is moving his manufacturing base out of China to the US because it is cheaper for him to manufacture in the US now?

    • If we tie those 2 theories of the last pluto/saturn conjunction together, we get the cold war seeding terrorism. I wonder what seeds will be planted this time around.

  56. This will hit the USA in the 2nd house, or collectively, our GNP. Our ability to make money (manufacturing) may be transformed, and our values too.

    • Thanks for the update.I forgot about North Korea !You seem well versed in modern geo-political expansionism.I am not.At the moment I seem to be going through an intense astrological reading binge.Then I will leave off it for a while,until the interest returns.I have several times doubted astrology in the past,then I guess someone’s sun sign correctly,or an aspect of their birth chart is so obvious in a behaviour/ character trait or lifestyle,then I’m hooked again.Maybe it’s just my Aquarius stellium needing something logical to hang their metaphysical/spiritual hat on.Anyway,I think we have exhausted this topic of the forthcoming stellium of DOOM ! nice to chat with you and I wish you well.

    • Online shopping takeover – the end of (most?) shopping malls. I just don’t want to buy shoes and clothes I can’t try on first:(

  57. All this activity will hit my DC at 23 Capricorn. Last time Pluto hit an angle I was 13 and it crossed my IC a few times. My entire family and personal life hit an all time low. I can’t say I’m really looking forward to 2020. Also, it hits my business partner (and good friend) who has a stellium at 22-23 Capricorn. Guess it will be “interesting times”.

  58. Cancer asc/Cap Des – I have so many planets on the angles. (stellium in Scorpio in the 4th)
    Husbands cap moon
    This will probably kill me.

    • I don’t think it will kill you unless you have personal planets on 21,22 or 23 degrees Cap,but it most certainly won’t be a time to rejoice in the gift of life ! I have mars at 22 cap and I am thinking about forming a little ‘survivors group’ for those of us who have personal planets there,however,I don’t expect a great deal of communication on Jan 14th 2020.Most of us will be in prison,psychiactric wards or dead.And I’m only half joking when I say this.

  59. Well, if I’m still alive, this will hit about a third of the way into my 12th house…as Cardinal as my chart is, I have no personal planets that late in degrees (closest is Uranus @ 16 Libra). Doesn’t seem to aspect anything either. I’m sure I’ll still be affected. I just don’t know how. Guess I’ll be too occupied with Pluto in my 12th to notice. ?

    What I find funny is that all of my transiting planets are in the Eastern hemisphere of my chart (they are spread out in my natal chart), with only the True Node hanging out in the West (bucket style). I can’t imagine myself being even MORE independent. ? Self-reliant? Yes.

    Anyway, I have my seatbelt on & my tray table has been secured for landing. Bracing myself for Pluto in my 12th. In my 11th, I’ve just had zero desire to be around anyone, talk to anyone, etc. ?

  60. I noticed one of the older comments about the possible inauguration of a new president. And then freeyourgeenie replied: “Uhmm, I have been wondering about that too…I read it heralds the slow and inevitable fall of the patriarchy here in the US, which a scorpion woman president could arguably represent.”

    Will be interesting to see what happens given the current sh*t-show happening in US politics currently.

    My daughter will be 7 at that time, all of her angles are 22/24 Cardinal, with her n.Saturn conj at 22 Libra,
    so her first Saturn square. Her biological father’s Moon (Cancer/12th) will be affected and I have a feeling he may try to come back into her life at this time.
    His n.Moon squares n.Pluto in the 4th (family) and trines n.Saturn in the 5th(children). Also, my daughter’s Sun (father) is natally in her 8th house (Pluto), which also trines the n.Saturn.

    I’m going to need to be extra supportive at this time I think ?

    • If you look at the history timelines of the Saturn-Pluto Synodic Cycles, you will see that hints start to show up a few years prior, and we will be getting our first hint in 2017, when the new president will assume office. Then, this cycle will culminate during the next election, in 2020, and a new cycle will begin. I will be watching the inauguration speech of 2017 with great interest, since Mrs. Clinton closed the 2nd debate with the warning that this was an especially important election, nationally and internationally, due to long-term policy decisions coming up. Maybe the changes will be brought about leading up to 2020, when they will then be enforced.

      • On a personal level for you, maybe the ex will start to come back into your daughter’s life as you suggested, and by 2020 demand partial or full custody?

        • He has been out of the picture since I was pregnant and owes me tens of thousands in child support,etc so if he does show up it would be welcome just for that. He’s very manipulative and delusional though so it’s very doubtful he will ever have any kind of relationship with her (that I would allow anyway). I’m just nervous to have to explain all of the negative stuff with her about him. I mean I obviously don’t need to tell her everything, but I believe in being honest with her and I know she will start asking at some point anyway, so I guess I’ll have to figure out what to say now so I’m prepared.
          Thank you for your insight ?

  61. The ones that I have the most sympathy for are souls incarnating on 12/01/2020.They must have accrued some very heavy karma ! I would certainly be reluctant to emerge from the womb with that energy around,but I suppose if anyone could survive it a Capricorn could.

  62. Hello Elsa, To be honest I am scared with this article, since a conjunction of Saturn with Pluto in Capricorn at 22 degrees on January 12th, 2020 will affect me (my Sun is in Capricorn at 19 degrees, in my 10th house, conjuncts MC, squares Saturn in Aries, in my 12th house, trines Pluto in Virgo, in my 6th house). Somehow it will be connected with my work (Saturn and Pluto in my 10th house trine my natal Pluto in my 6th house) and my career (Saturn and Pluto in my 10th house conjunct my Sun in my 10th house and MC). Should I rely on help of Jupiter in Capricorn at 9 degrees, which will conjunct my MC?

    • Hi Nikki, my advice would be to build as strong as you can within yourself.Capricorn is mentally a very strong sign anyway, but you have been warned in advance of this conjunction so please take steps to consolidate your position in life.This will probably be the most difficult time of your life( the tenth house also has a strong emphasis on a parent) Quite frankly,if your career crumbles to dust,then you will have got away quite lightly with this conjunction.Don’t forget this conjunction also includes Sun and Mercury.The stronger you can prepare your psyche the better you can withstand this onslaught.Have faith in your ability to survive.I am quietly shitting myself,but you have youth and a Capricorn soul on your side.

      • Hi Astromancer, thank you for your advice. My Capricorn soul has helped me several times when I worked as an interpreter in a conflict zone. I have survived revolutions and wars. Another war? Another revolution? As you said the tenth house has a strong emphasis on a parent. This will probably be the most difficult time of my life. I would be less concerned about my career. I have a feeling that it already crumbles to dust, since I am unemployed right now.

    • I would not rely on Jupiter – sorry. Jupiter is in the sign of it’s Fall (Capricorn). It’s also separated by degree. Just looking at the picture, you’re going to have to reach to Jupiter.

      I’m not saying that’s impossible. There is some grace our there, but it will be limited. Therefore, again, I would not RELY on it. You just don’t see a stellium in Capricorn like that and expect gifts to float down from the sky…unless of course, you have seriously paid some dues.

      • Reaching out to Jupiter at the right time? Like the Jews that escaped Nazi Germany before the extermination began kind of luck?

        • Oh, that’s interesting. Have you seen the movie, Defiance? You can search it on this blog.

          That group was free, but worked hard for it, faced their fears.

          Rather than luck, it’s luck you paid you dues for. They took a difficult path.

  63. Just watched the trailer…pretty intense! I kind of like my Chinese students’ interpretation of that time period. Since they don’t believe in a god, they just can’t fathom why people didn’t run for the hills when they were warned it was coming.

  64. Hmm that will conjunct my natal mars in capricorn, that is already opposed Uranus in Cancer and both squaring natal saturn in Libra. The squares can be more difficult I believe…I will be 68 in 2020, so hopefully have enough life lessons under my belt by then to deal with it.

  65. It won’t be exactly conjunct anything of mine, but I do have Neptune, Uranus, and NN in Capricorn all in the 1st house. It will however be squaring my Midhaven. I don’t have any Capricorn house cusps so it won’t be transiting any of my houses…

    My partner has Saturn in Capricorn at 21 degrees in the 1st house. I hope it isn’t so incredibly hard on him. He has suffered enough in this life.

  66. This will oppose my natal Sun at 22 Cancer. The stellium will go through my 2nd house. Either I will be dead broke or wealthy beyond means. My progressed Moon is in the 1st quarter phase, so I plan on keeping the losses at bay by working my buns off. But since Jupiter is my chart ruler, I have faith that I shall get through this. Around that time my progressed Sun is also conjuncting my natal Pluto. I have gone through hell already, so I am used to difficulty. It will be what it’ll be. No fear, just trust that I’ll be ready for whatever comes!

  67. I have not only this conjunction bang on my natal mars at 22 cap[ninth house] but at the same time my progressed moon enters scorpio{death] and progressed sun enters aries[combat/war] conjunct chiron[the terminally wounded,Basically I am trying to resign myself to being murdered on the 12th Jan 2020, two weeks before my 55th birthday.This sounds melodramatic but I am quite certain of this.What I am less sure of is weather to do as the sabian symbol for 22 cap suggests and die gracefully or take up arms and put up a heroic fight,but either way I’m screwed as if I take someone else’s life in self defence I am still going to spend several years in prison which I am mentally unequipped for and spiritually there are going to be dire karmic repercussions for me,Then again,is this my karma I am reaping from a previous life? I certainly have a very pronounced and debilitating saturn[I am currently on enough antidepressants to drop a small elephant] in my natal chart.Is all this shit courtesy of a wondrous and kind deity,or indeed, a deity of any description?.If it is, then I wish to confront Him/Her/Them/It and lay charges of incompetence,cruelty and neglect.But I could be waiting quite some time as the queue to confront this deity is predictably longer than the circumference of the Earth!

  68. This stellium will fall in the second house of the USA opposite her Mercury in the eighth. I wonder if censorship and secrets will become an issue around the time of the next election? Perhaps the internet will become infested with government ‘spies’ (Mercury in the eighth) Also our ‘inheritance’ i.e., national identity and maybe social security?

    It passes over my ascendant so I am preparing for possibly not having the retirement funds I’ve counted on my entire life. Perhaps being afraid to express my opinions online? Worrying….

    • Those are interesting thoughts amh. Mercury also represents neighbors, and ours are Mexico and Canada. Maybe Trump will build that wall.

    • Now that there is a Gemini US president (mercury) I wonder if this applies to him personally, and to Americans collectively…Trump’s secrets, maybe, or his demise, politically or otherwise.

  69. I am really scared and excited at the same time.
    I have a 1st house cap stellium. Pluto has already been conjuncting my 1st house sun 11degree.
    But in 2020 when the conjunction is happening at 22degree cap. It will also conjunct my moon,mercury,neptune witch all are in degree 22. After that in degree 25 where I have uranus.
    It’s so wierd that it’s happening on the same degree as my stellium is happening.
    I know i’m gonna be okay, because i’m survivor. But I really don’t know what to expect.

  70. 2020 onwards is going to be a year to remember…
    natal Jupiter 3deg Libra 11th House – Squared by transit Jupiter
    natal Saturn 4deg libra 11th House (1 Deg from end of house 11) squared by Transit Jupiter
    Natal Pluto 21deg Libra 12th house Squared by Transit Jupiter,Saturn and Pluto around those deg
    Natal Ascendant 25deg Libra … Squared also by transit jupiter, saturn and pluto within 2deg (pluto bieng much later)

  71. I agree with you, 2020 will be a year to remember, but historically, it’s the squares and oppositions to the pluto/saturn conjunction cycles that are the most difficult to deal with, on a global level.

  72. With the yanks voting Donald Trump into the White house.A man with no political experience and with the mental and verbal capacity of a reality tv contestant I think it is only a matter of time before he makes a colossal blunder.That blunder could well occur around December 2019-January 2020.God help us all !

  73. Interesting, and kinda scary! This Saturn/Pluto conjunction will be exact on my Descendant and squaring my natal Libra Saturn/Pluto conjunction in the 4th house on and off. Since I am currently experiencing the transiting Uranus opposing these natal planets I could catch a “glimpse“ of what it is that could , and possibly, should happen. Some kind of inward, as well as the outward cleansing, which I have already began, reviewing old beliefs and facing some deep rooted fears. Hope that there will be no more deaths in my family in the near future, since the year 2016 was rather tough.

    After all, transiting North Node will be conjuncting my natal Sun/Mars in the 12th house and Jupiter opposing these,so it could be some transformation but it could bring about some positive results and events if the“ cleansing“ is done.

    Now in 2017, still single and without a proper job,I hope this will mean some kind of transformation through partnership, marriage maybe,and some new job opportunities and changes . Being into astrology myself, I have noticed that for some people only “challenging“ transits can bring about something, even good things! For example,when transiting Uranus squared my Sun/Mars and was on my MC,together with Pluto opposing these, I decided to completely change my career and became a student again in order to have the chance to do sth more interesting and satisfying to me when I finish my studies. That period was difficult at times, ( and even before that,from 2008 onwards! ) but it was a once in a lifetime chance to make sth out of my life.

    So I guess these transits really CAN be challenging, but they don’t always bring bad things! The REAL PROBLEM IS that many people DON’T WANT CHANGES, they want status quo, but these aspects REALLY, I mean really-DEMAND PROFOUND CHANGES in someone’s life. The trick is to realise what it is that should be changed and let go of.

  74. This Pluto Saturn conjunction occurs in 2020 in my 12th house AND squares bout my natal pluto (24° libra) and natal saturn (19° libra)… yikes, at least I’ve been warned ! 🙂 ♡ Jen 4/4/82 03:20am st Charles mo

  75. Don’t know which one to be concerned about…..stellium in my solar return sixth house, but stellium in eighth house in transit. What in the world does this mean for me? Thanks!

  76. In Capricorn (9th house) I have Neptune at 20 degrees, Uranus at 22 and the MC at 28. Also around that time Uranus will be transiting my moon in 28 degrees Aries and my rising in 2 degrees Taurus.

    Will I die?

    • Probably not. Seems like you were born in the middle of the 1990s. So if you die, then because of violence or a really serious disease. Any signs for that?

      Of course Neptun and Uranus will feel Saturn and Pluto. When Uranus is over Moon and rising, then people in your environment will probably (at least when you ask them) tell you that you’ve changed a lot.

  77. On the other hand, has someone of you read the books of Johannes Vehlow, a german astrologer…he proposed a new house system…find it very interesting

  78. I think that main question,for me,is will this conjunction have a wider,possibly global impact.It certainly has the power to do so.Perhaps this could be ascertained by an understanding of what is happening with the fixed stars.I am not very conversant with this aspect of astrology and would like to hear the views of someone who is. thank you.

    • It’s called Mundane astrology, Martin. You can research the Synodic Periods of Pluto and Saturn conjunctions to get an understanding of their global impact. If the conjunction strikes a planet in your natal chart, you get to feel it personally, too. Hopefully, someone else can fill us in on the fixed stars.

  79. Beat this

    South node: 22 Degrees Capricorn
    in exact square to
    Saturn: 22 Degrees Libra

    Also

    Venus in 23 degrees capricorn
    Vertex on 21 degrees libra

    Lastly In feb 2020 my progressed Sun moves to 0 degree aries

    😀 😀

    • I’m glad that the conjunction will take place some degrees behind my North Node, so that it is a seperative transit for me. I’m glad because the Uranus square Pluto of the last years had hit me and tried to kill me. Good luck for your turn!

    • Pats, South node/Saturn being hit like that reminds me of the song “she’s a beast, I call her Karma”, though she might look like a Venus to you.

  80. That day’s transit on my chart will only form sextiles, trines and conjunctions. Except the opposition of Neptune to natal Mercury, which is already active. I don’t know if the absence of challenging aspects is going to make this transit easier or will it mean a lack of initiative to overcome any difficulty it may bring…

  81. Well what do ya know…this exact conjunction sextiles my natal Pluto/ASC, 3-degree squares my natal Mars, and 5-degree trines my natal Sun. Cap Pluto hammering my 11th house stellium has not been the easiest thing to deal with, and I’m just bracing myself for Saturn to come through.

  82. It hits my 6th. IC/MC in 27 Libra/Aries, Mercury 22 Cancer. Sun 0 Cancer. Pluto Libra 16

    The last Saturn-Pluto conjunction upended my life. The one in the early 80’s hit my IC exact and split my parents up and left my mother and I homeless. The Capricorn super stellium in the 90’s destabilized my home life again and I spent my teenage years largely unguided by parents because they were either in another country or mentally ill. And given my home life was awful –I ran away and became your cliche self-destructive youth of the 90’s. It took a lot of growing up to move past that.

    When Pluto opposed my Sun as an adult, I reinvented my life again. This was a much more positive change–one I’m very happy to have made.

    But ALL of these events still have ramifications on my life even now. Permanent decisions, emotional breaks, regrets, and losses that can’t be undone.

    What will Saturn-Pluto do now? 6th house opposite Mercury in 12th. Oy. I’ve already had like 3 health scares this past year… And Pluto has already quite literally sent one of my siblings (Mercury) to jail (12th) ?

    I’ll just try not to think of it. ?

  83. As a Cardinal(Libra), I have been tested for about 7 years. While at times difficult and others, extremely unhappy, I persevered, did what I had to do and put one foot in front of the other. This stellium will hit my 2nd house and I have natal Jupiter at 23 degrees. I will take what comes and go from there but I hope it will be positive because as you say, “I’ve paid my dues”.

  84. squares my sun
    that might explain why I’m preparing for war.
    in abstract. but there’s a strong sense of urgency to train up, finish up, get rid of the BS and reduce my footprint so i can be mobile and adaptive when the shoe drops. i can feel it coming.

  85. Now that just gave me a real fright. 1990 – 1993 was when I had my 2 sons. My now ex-husband had walked out of the family when our daughter was diagnosed as deaf in Sept 1990, then foolishly I let him back into the marital home in early 1991 as I was pregnant with child #2 also born in 1991. This conjunction in 2020 is wide in # 2’s chart but in the youngest son’s chart, it is exact & partile to multiple points.
    His IC 22*17′ Capricorn in H3/MC 22*17′ Cancer in H9 both square Mars 21*55 Libra in H12 & trine/sextile Sun 22*10′ Virgo in H11. He also has Uranus 18*17′ Rx conjunct Neptune 18*26′ Rx in H3.
    At present he is estranged from myself & his 2 older siblings. He works fly-in/fly-out (FIFO) & lives with his father in a house he has apparently just purchased. Something is definitely going to happen here; home/travel/father/siblings.

    • I just had another look at my own chart. This photo snip posted by Elsa shows this will conjunct my Saturn in H2 & is opposite my Sun in H8 so, is it me or my shadow? Better still, will I be jumping at shadows ((giggles)).

      Using profections, I will be in H11 for that year making my Lord of the Year, Venus placed in natal H7 (profected H9) & by then just into H7 (Aries) for that month. Where is Mars? Natal H10/profected H12! Gulp!

  86. I have an 8th house stellium of Mars 8° Libra, Saturn 19° Libra, Pluto 25° Libra, Jupiter 8° Scorpio… sun sitting in opposition at 14° aries…. 12th house cusp is 17° Capricorn with my SN right on top at 18°…. oh and did I mention ALL of my natal outer planets are retrograde??? 14+ years of intensive astrology self-education and I am stumped… personal insights are the hardest though, eh? I’d love to hear any of yours, friends! ?

    • Ok, how about you are deeply concerned with money in 2020, when you come up with an ingenius idea that rakes in the big bucks? It is just a guess- you didn’t mention where revolutionary Uranus is in your natal/transiting chart, and you are an Aquarius rising, yes? Perhaps you could look at where and how all this action will be affecting your rising sign’s planet.

  87. What I find interesting about this stellium is just two days before there is a Lunar Eclipse (1/10/2020) in Cancer at 20 degrees trine transiting Neptune in Pisces 16 degrees (albeit four degrees wide). This feels eerily unsettling; especially with Saturn conjunct Pluto squaring the dwarf planet Eris (in Aries) which has gone stationary.

    Interesting fact: Around the time Eris was discovered, just before Eris was about to be honored by the status of being the 10 planet, the astronomers called an end to the madness of the numerous discoveries in the solar system and decided to demote Pluto and promote Ceres.

    Be that as it may, Eris expresses her energy very strongly. She exposes hypocrisy and takes an eye for an eye! So how will she deal with squaring Pluto conjunct Saturn? The empty leg of this cardinal cross is Libra (unless you consider the asteroid Juno as relevant to this eclipse). Equality and fairness seem to be themes of this Capricorn stellium and Lunar Eclipse.

    What do you think Elsa?

    • Although I’m not Elsa, thanks Mara for adding the missing parts. Don’t overlook that also Ceres and the planetary nodes of Saturn and Pluto will take part in the conjunction. The degree will also be activated again later in the year, noteworthy should be Jupiter’s direct transit over it.
      .
      I agree with you that Eris is underestimated. She’s somehow the actual cause of Pluto’s demotion. But I’m not convinced that she’s there for vengeance and for exposing hypocrisy. Mythological Eris caused arguments, astronomical Eris caused an argument about the status of Pluto. So until something different is proved, I rather see (astrological) Eris as there in order to cause arguments. With a square this can still become bloody.
      .
      Because you mentioned Pluto’s demotion and Ceres’ promotion, so I feel the need to add the most important supplement to this. As Ceres was discovered in 1801 she also was immediately accepted as a planet! Already a long time before many people found the gap between Mars and Jupiter quite suspicious. A planet there was a much smaller surprise than the discovery of Uranus. But then were even more planets discovered between Mars and Jupiter. Palles, Juno, Vesta, Astraea, and there seemed to be no reason anymore why there shouldn’t be expected more. But many in one orbit and you can see them only with a telescope, could these really be planets? So all five were demoted and the term asteroid invented for them. An important point here is: If you see Pluto as important because Pluto is an ex-planet, then it would be mere hypocrisy seeing Ceres, Pallas, Juno, Vesta, and Astraea not as important on the same level. So yes, Juno matters if Pluto matters, so Juno is important in the constellation of 2020.
      .
      Ceres was the only celestial object, which status was changed already twice! There is certainly some astrological meaning hidden in this. Pluto wasn’t the first celestial object, which was demoted from the status of a planet. The debate resembled very much the debate one and a half century before and came to the almost same results. What short memories astronomers have! At least they also decided that Pluto and Eris aren’t asteroids. Instead the category of plutoids was invented. So if Pluto is important, then Eris must be important too. Asteroids resonate with the orbit of Jupiter, plutoids resonate with the orbit of Neptune, Pluto does this with 3:2 (an orbit with a period of 240 yrs versus an orbit with a period of 160 yrs), plutoids with this ratio are called plutinos. This is true for Ixion and Orcus. So if Pluto matters, then Ixion and Orcus must matter too! Obviously there is a tendency to the need to watch also all of the plutoids.
      .
      This was much lengthier than I wanted, but these are points, which people mustn’t forget for the sake of astrology!

        • Some see Ixion rather as the principle of wish for power, narcism, narcistic insult, anger, rebelion against authorities. I’d rather say Ixion represents everything, which astrological wannabes wish to attribute to Nessus mistakenly like rape and abuse. But enlightening is how Ixion’s criminal career began in mythology: he didn’t want to pay the agreed price for his wife. So Ixion is the Homo oeconomicus, hence very important in our time. But is Ixion part of the conjunction somehow?
          .
          Ixion makes three conjunctions with Saturn this year (2017). One still left, occuring October, the 29th and thus beginning the next Saturn-Ixion-cycle. Pholus is currently conjunct the Galactic Center, so additionally magnifying Saturn and Ixion, that are only two degrees in front of the Galactic Center, when they’ll be performing their conjunction. So Ixion rather shows things, which already begin in 2017.
          .
          Like always it depends on your natal chart what Ixion can do to you. In mine Ixion is conjunct Mars, part of a planetoid stellium.

  88. Saturn Conjunct Pluto in 2020 will be happening in my 3rd house. Guess what else is in my third house? My natal Saturn. Saturn return with a conjunct to Pluto? That spells disaster.

    Pluto is ruling my 1st house. My Moon and Pluto are there. They might sextile Saturn at some time while it’s moving through my 3rd house. My Sun in Taurus is in the 7th house. Hopefully that trines Saturn and Pluto.

    Jupiter is in the 12th house. When does Jupiter enter Scorpio and when does it enter Sagittarius? Matter of fact, when does Jupiter enter into Capricorn? If Jupiter enters Capricorn at the time of my Saturn return and when Saturn is conjunct pluto, I won’t worry as much…

    But having natal Neptune and Uranus in the third house concerns me a lot.

    When tPluto met my Uranus and Neptune, I had to run away from home, with nowhere to go. Things were really tense at home and I ended living with a relative in one of the most uncomfortable circumstances. Many close friends and a neighbor of my family died, which shook me and traumatized me.

    I’m afraid what Pluto is going to look like when it hits Saturn. If Jupiter is there, I can feel more at ease about it.

    The only good part about my Saturn Return is that it is leaving my 2nd house. Maybe now I can finally make some decent money and strive for living comfortably.

  89. This conjunction will fall on my IC and square my Mars in Libra, which is exactly on my ASC :((( And soon comes Saturn return. I guess things can always go worse than we thought…

  90. Hallo@FriendFalkor (sounds kind of medieval:)
    I agree with you, the infrastructure in question is not just about the USA, but “western” civilization, wherever that is to be found. And it’s not that we don’t want to take care of it, but that it is very expensive, which could refer back to your post on Ixion not paying his father-in-law: the Homo oeconomicus you mentioned.

    The metaphor of red vs. blue states is in regard to the Cain & Abel stories you shared with us. If you look at the political map of the US, color is how the democratic and republican ideologies are represented. Red states are conservative farmer states, and blue is/was the liberal two developed coastlines, for the most part. Also, cities are mostly blue, rural is mostly red, hence farmers/hunters (the Wolf of Wall street). If we fold Ixion into the mix, we get greed running the show, on a never ending quest (wheel of fire Ixion was strapped to) for more more more. Fundamentally (!!), the two political parties are deeply divided on two main issues that raise questions of life and death (blood-letting): abortion and guns. Many of the people I spoke with about the last election voted based on one of these two issues. It was deeply divisive, in some cases splitting families, neighbors, and colleagues, with anger. It seems feasible to imagine things will only get worse, if we can’t deal with the underlying pain/fear.

    Here is the link to the Sabian Symbols I referred to. In regard to their accuracy, I too have wondered who could possibly acquire the authority, knowledge, and experience to decide such things, especially on a global level in a modern world – an enormous task! A review of other authors’ view points would indeed be interesting: http://www.mindfire.ca/An%20Astrological%20Mandala/An%20Astrological%20Mandala%20-%20Contents.htm

    • I think that we achieved some progress here. My new keywords for Ixion: ‘Not paying what you owe, facing the consequences, a long chain of consequences’
      .
      While Ixion is in Sagittarius investments must be made for Sagittarius-related fields. This means maintenance of the infrastructure for distant travels like streets and bridges as well as for education. (At least in Germany not only streets and bridges, but also schools are known to be in a very bad condition.) If this won’t be done, then we’ll have to face consequences when Ixion leaves Sagittarius and enters Capricorn. While Ixion moves through Capricorn necessary investments for Capricorn-related fields should be done or there will also be consequences when Ixion will leave Capricorn. The current condition of streets, bridges, and so on is known, so the necessary investments for the Capricorn-related fields will also be known. This is my current interpretation for Ixion’s sign change.
      .
      The visa thing is a Sagittarius-related field. Restrictions there are a bad idea in general, but even worse when Ixion is in Sagittarius and thus shows that they will have bad consequences. Although the matter is actually only the US administration hating on five member states of the EU. As long as president Trump changes his mind into any direction at any time, there are no really severe things to fear. More attention deserve the Philippines, Katar, Turkey, and especially Spain. If there’ll be a referendum, which Catalonia has anounced for around November and Spain has declared as illegal because it’s about the independence of Catalonia, then it could be followed by a civil war, which would spread to other countries (Belgium most likely) with similar issues.
      .
      A thought about Ixion in the natal chart: In my natal chart Ixion is conjunct Mars. I was severely bullied during the time in school, which I survived only with the help of martial arts. So I’d say that I owe a lot to the martial principle. Although it could also be that Mars in Seven did bring bullies to me. Then it would be my natal Mars, that has some debts. However, nothing was ever paid back. That’s not because I wouldn’t have wanted, but because I never got the chance. I currently neither have the time nor a sufficient physical condition for practicing martial arts, where I actually should give something back meanwhile. But if I’m right with this personal part of Ixion’s interpretation, then I should give something not specifically to the or a specific martial art, but to or through Mars in general. This part needs to be confirmed or falsified by Ixion in the natal charts of other people.
      .
      So far about Ixion. What we’re doing next?

  91. @Falker
    So you meant the celebrity Noah Cyrus. Nope, I am not a celebrity.

    “I know only the free software Riyal”
    Is that the same as http://www.astrodienst.com? They offer charts, with many additional objects, and interpretations in 11 languages, including German.

    You must have some strong Virgo energy to notice those fine details in the keyboarding.

    The Taming of the Shrew is a play by Shakespeare, hence, perhaps a pathos of England for 2020. Is their shrew the EU? England has the same political red & blue pattern seen in the US, in regard to rural vs. city support (or lack of support) for the Brexit vote. This pattern seems closely tied to levels of education, and supports the us vs. them mentality. In regard to the UK, Liz Greene from Astrodienst says “It is possible that a renewed sense of independent identity may require changes in existing bonds and treaties with other nations” which could infer the EU or the 4 countries that make up the UK. The UK sun is in the 4th house at 10 degrees Capricorn, where the conjunction is being hosted, and Uranus will be moving into their 8th house.

    Because Pluto is a slow mover, I think it is possible to look for clues for 2020; lipstick on the collar, footprints, shoes sticking out from behind a curtain kind of clues- subtle. That is why I think Ixion is important in this regard, and perhaps the full solar eclipse of the US on August 21st is also (literally) foreshadowing for 2020. I read it will hit Trump’s chart hard, as you have already mentioned, also several of his cabinet members, and Putin’s chart as well. For the US, it is occurring opposite our natal moon, activating the 3rd and 9th houses. This solar eclipse will fall in the UK’s 11th house, near their natal Saturn. What’s going on in Germany, the holder of all those EU debts (loans)?

    • “So you meant the celebrity Noah Cyrus.”

      The daughter of Billy Ray Cyrus and little (half-)sister of Miley Ray Cyrus. Do you know any other Noah Cyrus?

      “Nope, I am not a celebrity.”

      Did I never say or suggest or presume. But you never check your synastry with any? Perhaps you simply have enough friends… (I mean for checking their charts; eventually there can never be enough friends.)

      “They offer charts, with many additional objects, and interpretations in 11 languages, including German.”

      Not very surprising because the service is located in Switzerland. But the additional objects are limited. Riyal makes a huge list with all planetoids, that were known when Riyal was published.

      “You must have some strong Virgo energy to notice those fine details in the keyboarding.”

      I doubt that DC and Vertex constitute strong Virgo energy. I simply can’t ignore when a software swallows the characters, which I’m typing.

      “The Taming of the Shrew is a play by Shakespeare, hence, perhaps a pathos of England for 2020.”

      So there are still Shakespeare plays, which I don’t know, although my history teacher used them as a source. (Something that I found out years later!)

      “England has the same political red & blue pattern seen in the US, in regard to rural vs. city support (or lack of support) for the Brexit vote. This pattern seems closely tied to levels of education, and supports the us vs. them mentality.”

      What? Most people simply ignored the Brexit referendum because they took for granted that the Brexit won’t happen. It is still likely that it won’t happen. Only regions, which really worried because they have more to lose, voted against the Brexit. North Ireland fears to get terror and civil war back, the Scotish feel treated unfair already since they involuntarily ‘joined’ the United Kingdom, London fears the exodus of international institutions, which has indeed already begun, and Gibraltar could become Spanish, what would be still a good option for the people there, but this could even mean war against England.
      .
      Liz Greene is at Astrodienst now? Aren’t they rather only quoting her?

      “That is why I think Ixion is important in this regard, and perhaps the full solar eclipse of the US on August 21st is also (literally) foreshadowing for 2020.”

      I think Ixion is important because it makes a sign change and has two conjunctions in 2020 and it’s obvious that financial planets must have something to say in the economic situation, which is obvious already now. The so-called Great American Eclipse is certainly important, hence such a name for it. But where’s the connection to the conjunction of 2020?
      .
      The next solar eclipse, which can be seen in the USA, will cross the path of the Great American Eclipse in Carbondale. I wonder whether there is something special about this town? But both eclipses are years apart, perhaps there’s no connection.
      .
      Putin may perhaps not run for presidency again. He has at most one more period of office left. He also won’t pull a new trick for getting more periods of office because he loses popularity this way. He did last time. He’s also quite old for such a difficult job as it is to be Russia’s president. But Russia has the problem that there’s nobody better to do the job than Putin. The next likely one to be elected, Shirinovski, is the Russian equivalent of Killary. Both want war.

      “What’s going on in Germany, the holder of all those EU debts (loans)?”

      That’s something about which the media here don’t like to speak. They speak about how great we still do in exports, but the money, which should have come in this way, is definitely and obviously not here. It’s all lend out. And lost because it disappeared because of the corruption in the countries, which received the loans. That’s why also Germany can’t make necessary investments.
      .
      Germany’s economy has now to struggle with a new hardship because the newest sanctions against Russia are in reality directed against the EU. We shall no longer get natural gas through the many and big pipelines here. Would our politicians only not be much dumber than Donald Trump! We’ll also have elections this year, but most German voters are very dumb too. So our economy will decline.

  92. @Falkor
    The eclipse, putting a spotlight on the USA’s natal moon, could indicate a new female presidential candidate for 2020. If symbolic, it could be Lady Liberty (the symbol of our Cancer country). In our third house, that would be communications, which is the (unregulated/free) internet nowadays, including Russian cyber attacks to manipulate the last election, and how the US responds/prepares as the 2020 election approaches. Also, because of the statue’s symbolism, immigration.

    “Most people simply ignored the Brexit referendum”

    Why would the will of the majority be ignored? That certainly hints at pluto/saturn, and abuse of power, especially for a democracy. At the root of the Brexit vote, is the current conflict of city vs. rural the modern rendition of the historical hunter/farmer conflict?

    “That’s something about which the media here don’t like to speak”

    That’s interesting, why not? Hearing a German point of view sheds new light. From when I lived in Europe, 2001- 2012, non- German Europeans often spoke with bitterness and resentment about who (countries) made good deals with Germany to enter the EU, and who didn’t. Also, they discussed how corrupt they considered the formation process/entry into the EU was, specifically the loans (with interest), which many countries had to make (with Germany) to meet new EU regulations. They felt forced to pay for something (Brussels’s regulations, the figurehead, but Germany, the Fatherland, and economic powerhouse, driving the bus) they didn’t believe in/want, in order to comply with new EU regulations. Perhaps Germany finds their EU partners an ungrateful lot?

    • https://needtoknow.news/2017/07/us-government-meddled-elections-foreign-countries-81-times/

      But complaining about a Russian attempt, that probably never happened…

      “Why would the will of the majority be ignored?”

      I meant that the majority didn’t vote. Of course that’s also a way to get ignored.

      “At the root of the Brexit vote, is the current conflict of city vs. rural the modern rendition of the historical hunter/farmer conflict?”

      At the root of the Brexit vote there is young versus old. There were quite many dictatorships in European countries during the twentieth century, so older people don’t take democracy for granted. They never miss an opportunity to vote. But it’s different with younger people, especially in England, where they had no dictatorship on the own ground. Additionally they know that everybody profits from the EU, so why would anybody vote against it? The polls before told them too that nobody needed to fear the pro Brexit side winning. So why vote? Ask modern people to vote and you’re already asking too much.

      “That’s interesting, why not?”

      Since at least two decades the government asks Germans to tighten the belt. So Germans lower and lower their living standard and take cuts in their wages. The ‘minimum wage’, which was introduced meanwhile, has many exceptions and so isn’t a minimum wage and doesn’t deserve this name. Many jobs are meanwhile only done by people from eastern Europe because in Germany you won’t feed a family with it anymore. Although Germany belongs already to the cheaper places in Europe. The French are completely puzzled because they would already have an uprising under such conditions. While the common German tightens his belt, he also has to hear about the many millions made by managers of Deutsche Bank and other banks and similar companies. The managers get even boni when they make losses. Our patience is tested, but nobody has more patience, it’s beyond imaginable for most people in the world. Although also some people here believe that there is somewhere an end of German patience. Under such conditions additionally tell Germans to where all the money went?

      “From when I lived in Europe, 2001- 2012, non- German Europeans often spoke with bitterness and resentment about who (countries) made good deals with Germany to enter the EU, and who didn’t.”

      Let me guess: Romania?

      “Also, they discussed how corrupt they considered the formation process/entry into the EU was, specifically the loans (with interest), which many countries had to make (with Germany) to meet new EU regulations.”

      Not having too much debts forces to get more loans??? I’m afraid they were not honest with you. Some countries cheated in order to get into the EU. Greece most.

      “They felt forced to pay for something (Brussels’s regulations, the figurehead, but Germany, the Fatherland, and economic powerhouse, driving the bus) they didn’t believe in/want, in order to comply with new EU regulations.”

      Nobody forced them. If they didn’t want to enter, then not anybody did or would have forced them. It was completely up to them and they knew all conditions perfectly.
      .
      England could be an exception because there are rumours that the USA forced England to enter the EU.
      .
      It is true that Germany has a major responsibility for the rules, which are made in Brussel, but this doesn’t keep our government from pretending that Germany would always be dominated: »We have to do this. Not our fault, but EU regulations from Brussel!«
      .
      Sadly, only the more woke people know that a politician lies as soon as her/his lips move.

      “Perhaps Germany finds their EU partners an ungrateful lot?”

      Germany as such does eventually everything to please its EU partners and even to please the US east coast. The German government works towards a soft Brexit (only the British seem not to want this) and hesitated to retreat the troops from Turkey. Germans on the other hand see other EU citizens more and more as ungrateful. They shouldn’t take money from us if they don’t like us. But we would appreciate it even more if all people learned to distinguish between the people and a government.

    • Uranus sits (right on my 3°53’Sag MC)at 4°20′ Sag… Looks like Mars will be transiting 4° Sag in the first week or so of January as well! Oh boy

  93. I don’t know, it just sounds like the 2020 Capricorn stellium, is a stock market crash.

    The bull market has lasted since 2009. By 2020, it will be 11 years. Sounds like a ripe time for a stock market crash. But then again, I may be waaay wrong!

  94. All are in the 11th house opposing 5th house Mercury (Ruler of my Sun)and square Jupiter(Asc Ruler) in Scorpio in the 8th. I don’t get a very good feeling about this as Capricorn is always punitive in my case. Loss of my social tribe, loss of self-employed earnings or internet problems? Yuck.

  95. I think the key to unlocking how this conjunction will effect you on a purely personal level is to plot the progressions of your chart and any aspects progressed planets will make to this tsunami of a conjunction.This,I feel,is equally as important as aspects from planets natal positions.

    • I’m taking your workshop. Hoping to first get through my 2nd Saturn Return in Capricorn, which is also squaring my core stellium in Libra.

      Then, yes, I’ll be facing the Saturn-Pluto transition EXACTLY opposing my Moon in Cancer. I have parents in their 80s, so some event on that front wouldn’t surprise me.

      • *transit, not transition

        Am I ready for this, you ask? As ready as can be, which is ‘imperfectly ready’. One thing that will help is that I have moved and am now living in my parents’ town. When the time comes, I will at least be on the ground and ready to ‘deploy’.

  96. Transiting Jupiter will be conjuncting my Natal Cap Sun & Merc & squaring my Libra moon and ascendant & in opposition to Uranus in Cancer.
    All while transiting Pluto and Saturn are conjuncting my natal Venus in Capricorn and squaring mu natal Neptune in Libra.
    Comments?

  97. This is on my IC and I am slightly worried about it It also trines my Saturn and Moon which is nice but widley squares my sun (5 degrees). I am hoping to do a big move next year (big for me as it is moving outside of the city I live in but still only 1hr and half by train) Pluto has been trining my Moon and Pluto has gone into 4th so I’m wondering what else this could be about. I guess hard to predict as so far ahead.

  98. My Sun is 10 Cap. Mercury is 11 Cap. My IC is 13Cap. My Venus is 21 Cap. squares 11 Libra moon & Ascendant, 19 Libra Neptune. All at the bottom of my chart, 3rd and 4th houses. Don’t know how to “be ready” for this.. .. ..

  99. Hi Elsa and everyone here you’re really a lot my finger ached to scroll right to the bottom to add my comment Anyway my moon is exactly there just some minute before 21 56 capricorn. After my chiron return that’s been amazing i am waiting for this and i fear a bit this event that will come right after neptune conjuncting my natal saturn. Being myself an outer planet gal i am just thrilled about what the outcome will be… who will live will see

  100. Hi everyone, just wanted to share this because I’m kind of worried about this transit haha!
    So I have Saturn (18’46) on my Descendant (18’24) in Capricorn. Pluto will transiting this aspect for the next few years BUT around late 2019/early 2020 I’ll also be having my Saturn Return! This is going to be the biggest test of my life. I can feel it. I’ll be writing up my final PhD thesis around that time too. I’m probably gonna be in solitude a lot getting to the ‘truth’ of my work, and probably of myself. I’m definitely being set up for a transformation!

  101. My birthday is 12 January 1958, natal Sun @ 21′ Capricorn in Australia. The 2020 Capricorn Stellium feels spiritual but any ideas on what this might mean for me personally would be interesting!

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