What Happens When Saturn Transits The Nadir or 4th House?

old saturn girl cardHi, Elsa,

Is it normal to feel homesick with Saturn approaching the nadir?

Curious
United States

Hi, Curious.

Saturn transiting the nadir is an important transit. It generally marks an emotional low. Homesickness certainly fits.  I would say the feeling is normal but it’s not necessarily typical.

When Saturn transits the nadir you may want to go home.  Another person may not have a home to go to. They may be orphaned or unwelcome in their family.

Another person may lose their home or be forced to downscale when they’d rather not. They may feel a lack of nurturing or just plain lonely. Others struggle with some heavy family burden.

I consider this one of the most difficult transits a person can have. But keep in mind that once you’re on the bottom, you can only come up.

What happened when Saturn transited your nadir or 4th house?

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  1. When Saturn transited my Nadir / 4th House, I relocated. I lost my home (4th House), because I went away to pursue my education and started to live in dorms. But considering the situation in my household was very bad and full of negative energies, I don’t complain!

  2. I have Saturn on nadir natally, square Moon in first house. Have never felt like I belonged anywhere, sometimes feel like an outsider in the human race! This is now another saturn return for me and I’m beginning divorce proceedings, might have to sell my house or make some adjustments with my living situation. Already feeling the emotiional oppression…

  3. I had horrible homesickness when Saturn transited my 4th. I ended up moving back home by the end of the transit. When it transited my IC, a year earlier, is when I first moved away from home, to go to college. That was a really exciting, wonderful time! Although still had homesickness attached to it.

  4. Nadir at mid-Libra, all of Scorpio intercepted within 4th house. Not fun, having had Saturn there for several years. Libra part wasn’t so bad, but during the two Scorpio years I was feeling either lonely and isolated or anti-social. Lost many older female friends, either to death or otherwise. Worst times were when Saturn was sailing over my Moon there and back and there again. On the hindsight I’m trying to see it as a time when I got to know myself with endless self-analysis.
    Anyway, I am very happy to have Saturn in the 5th house Sag where my natal Saturn resides. Second Saturn return commencing as we speak.

    • Hi there! I am a fellow 5th house Saturn native (in Aquarius) and am preparing for my first return in approximately 2 years. Do you have any wisdom, knowledge, or stories about your experience with your first return? I’d love to hear all about it!

    • Oh my! I’m just coming to the end of Saturn through my 4th house (Capricorn) and I’ll be glad to the see the end of it! I’ve visited this post many times over the 3 years and I can say I resonate a lot with what was said. I relocated under duress and had to take a much smaller place in my native town because it was the only one that would take my dog. Family has felt like a burden, with my mum constantly needing my help. My father died. I’ve felt lonely because I begun self employment and work from home. My relationship has been a long struggle.

      It’s been a really tough transit. Add that I have sun, mercury and Venus in Cancer and moon, rising and Pluto in Libra (evenly spaced out for prolonged pain)

      I caught up with an old friend and I didn’t realise just how much had happened!

      I’m still struggling with downsizing. I’ve learnt to like myself more whatever stage I am in life. Looking after myself does not come naturally but I’ve had to make it a priority. And most importantly I am focused on creating a solid foundation both emotionally and materially.

      Again I’ll be glad to see the back of this transit and hope the next one isn’t so bad!

      • Dahlia, thanks for sharing. I am so exhausted, I can only agree with you. I must say, I feel pretty hopeless, I am only honest. And yet, I am always putting one foot in front of the other. Perhaps a little beam of hope crosses my way. Saturn is on his way to square my Moon, but having a strong Saturn in my chart, I am used to suffering.

  5. Oh, I was going to ask, would you apply the same rule for Saturn too, a transit ending when it’s past the exact degree, or does it last longer? Maybe 2-3 degrees, or a couple of months, that’s my experience with hard Saturn transits.

  6. When I had Saturn transit my nadir in 2009 and 2010 it was in a T-square with square to Pluto and opposite Uranus. And I felt exactly what you write: “You may want to go home. Another person may not have a home to go to. They may be orphaned or unwelcome in their family.” I was lucky I had a home, but I totally lost the feeling of being supported by family and I felt terribly lonely – “They may feel a lack of nurturing, or just plain, feel lonely.” With Pluto and Uranus the change in my support system was definitive and stressful. But the tearing down of an old support system that did not work made way for the rebuilding a new and more effective one that suits me much better. But it was really, really a hard lesson.

  7. Oh…Saturn is right on top of mine now at 2°. I don’t feel anything now. I don’t see anything on the horizon that I can tell. But I know it’s hanging around here for the first part of the year until it backs into Scorpio again, then comes back around. That’s a lot of time.

  8. Saturn across my Nadir was 1997. I returned to my home of birth with a new man(my husband today). He would restore the old homestead, and we would go through the process of trying to “go home again.” Land hard? Together we would experience what we could, and could not do. By 2004 my health and my old beliefs would teach me ‘enough is enough’. I sold the home in 2004, we got married later that year.
    Yes … was a major Saturn transit, and one I reflect upon with deep appreciation for what it takes to be at home with myself, and the journey of being whole.

      • You’re welcome Shan! As Saturn transited the 4th House I was also experiencing my Chiron Return (in the 10th) in deep Scorpio, indeed, this was an era that would reposition my reputation and bridge the path between the physical and spiritual. A life’s work.

  9. hoo haaa yess.

    I moved to a different country before Saturn hit my Nadir (3rd House) and 4th house.

    … but when it passed through my fourth soon after (and right after it’s conjunction to Pluto) I went down, down, down to the depths of my roots to figure myself out, why I made the choices I did… so that I could move forward more consciously. I became a Mom/Wife and I knew that If I wanted to be the best Mom/Wife I could be, I needed to go THERE. I had to understand my motivations for the move and if I was really cut out for the permanent change.

    It’s been an epic four years. I still have another go as Saturn will cross over my Saturn/Moon conjunction in the 4th one more time… but let me tell ya, I did a lot of work… and these days, I’m feelin’ like a butterfly.

    When Saturn passed through my 4th, I rooted… and simultaneously cultivated (still learning but have come very far) my internal Saturn/Moon, Mother/Father as opposed looking for it outside of myself. I have a packed 4th house. It was huge and so worth it.

    I whole-heartedly agree with Elsa here, “Keep in mind, once you’re on the bottom, you can only come up.”

    • Wow i know this is a late reply but your post resonates so deeply with my current Saturn through 4th experience – i had to respond. Became a mom when Saturn hit my 4th, and the introspection of my emotions and my past is like nothing i’ve ever had to go through before. It’s intense and feels like i’m doing so much work internally but so little externally. It feels like this will never end. I also strongly relate to your feelings of needing to do this to be the best mom possible to your kids. Spot on.

      Thank you for giving me hope : )

  10. This hit at the same time Neptune was exactly opposite my Sun. That was my final bout with untreated pure O OCD, not diagnosed up until then.

    If I didn’t get help for this, I wouldn’t have a family to go back to.

    Long story short, I got help, got medication, and the fog lifted.

  11. We bought an older home that needed some work. And, it was a good, solid home w/ Saturn/4th. It was home finally is the experience I had.

  12. It was very bad for me personally. Things have picked up since then. I have to say, it was the worst time of my life. But also, some beautiful things happened. SOMEHOW. *sigh*

  13. “Home? I have no home. Hunted, despised, living like an animal! The jungle is my home. But I will show the world that I can be its master! I will perfect my own race of people. A race of atomic supermen which will conquer the world! Ha ha ha ha ha ha!” (Bela Lugosi in Ed Wood’s “Bride of The Monster”)…yeah, Saturn is hanging out in my fourth casa. I’m bribing Saturn with green tea and chocolate biscuits.

    • That´s the way to do it! Misti! Perhaps I should serve Saturn some sweeties, too? My misery and agony never ends. It´s persistant and pursues it´s goal. Which is???? Tr. Saturn approaching my Nadir or IC (29 Sagg): have a Sun-Saturn conjunction natally, so I was born to have a life of hardships and no matter how persistant and brave I am, it never ends, the hardships.

      • Oh Jane. I resonate so much with you. I also have Sun conjunct Saturn, and both opposite Moon in 4th. I´m going to have this transit soon in a few months, together with Pluto. I´m sooo scared….

        • Lou, having Natal Moon opposite your Sun-Saturn -conjunction, makes you a Master of some sort. Poor us, I Must have a right to say so. Lou dear Girl, forget about The coming Saturn transit to your Moon. Funny, how I’ve Just seriously planned giving up My addicton to astrology. I know how it is to fear The coming transit! And in The Case of benevolent transit, looking towards getting some Sun shine, and if somethinc takes place, it’s nothing good. And The law of attraction is Total money making scam. I have always been Positive, expected The best and after years I am done with any belief systems. Even this July 2019 Solar eclipse, I got really Bad News, instead of what is generally Said about New Moon eclipses. I guess I Will get another piece of News the 16th July 2019 lunar eclipses. Lou, I am as now seriously contemplating discarding astrology All together. That way one could be free to live in The present and take Life as it’ comes, with suffering after suffering. I have waisted over 20 years in astrology. Know quite a lot of it, honestly cannot say it Works. Just creates false expectations and living in fear of The Bad transit. Lou dear, forget Saturn, forget astrology. Perhaps Life gets easier that way, living without addicton which is Just an addicton. I waisted decenniums looking at The planets. It is Time to live.

          • Hope you´re right Jane. For me, astrology always says truth. But yeah, better not be living in fear, it is not usefull. Thanks for your answer!! I don´t know if I´m a Master in anything, but keep on trying to work on my insecurities. Good luck, dear!

            • Thank you, Lou. Let’ s hope The coming lunar eclipse is a friendly one. I could do with a lucky break. Take Care, Lou, and be blessed.

          • I agree 100℅ that the law of attraction (and similar programmes etc in you tube) are money making ‘scams’.

            The principle is an old truth, and is appliable and has been always appliable to people in all life situation. In simple, life is of better quality in a positive mindset.

            If you look at these scam programs, their (often hidden) motive targets always to bring in more money to the people behind the program.

  14. I did find myself thinking that it wouldn’t be too bad to raise my daughter where I grew up when I visited my family. But that’s absolutely unrealistic. They are closing down everything there, there’s a good chance we’ll loose even the (great) school I attended.

    But the town my Husband grew up and I studied at would be ideal. Not too small, they have prime education and good property prices. The irony of it is that I could probably get transferred there by my company, to do the same thing I did and was extremely good at doing back in 2006-09, even get promoted to team manager. It’s just that my Husband can’t have a career there. He had his Saturn conjunct Nadir passage late last year, 27′ Scorpio, and if he didn’t feel the urge to move then, well, he won’t now.

  15. Welcome to the next 2 and half years of my life. Saturn is transiting my fourth house. Since it switched signs. Lots of things to do with female relatives and friends. My daughter is having medical problems. my best friend is moving away, one female family member has died and her remains are being flown back to Sedona because she wants to be buried here at home in Sedona, and my mother is not doing well. All things home, family and roots are being stirred up. Setting huge boundaries with my Cancer sun sign daughter. Just rolling with it.

  16. That old Saturn just crushed & minced ME to powdered form….Scorpio Sun Moon Merc in my 4th house! RA%#@! ( Caribbean cuss word)
    So now I can re- fashion the clay of my life and it feels GREAT. I have lost many friends to both Grimm & Deception which is actually 1 & the same….I still love & treasure the times we had but that’s gone forever.
    I am working on an AMAZING New Master plan for every aspect of my life as a totally reformed & informed spiritually evolved Soul in this Human body……The FUTURE is Bright Beautiful & Interesting!!

  17. Saturn over my Ic coincided with my Saturn return. I have Saturn natally in the 3rd, 6 degrees from the IC. So I guess I never knew what it was like to have a rich emotionally fulfilled home life. There has always been a sort of loneliness or emptiness and undoubtedly I have struggled with home sickness and a longing for belonging my entire life. Saturn is currently still in my 4th house except now in sag. so much lighter, thank God. With this Saturn transit, I got a lot tougher in a way.. stronger. . . i know i can depend on myself. I just accepted lifes not always fair- i may not ever feel like i belong or that Im loved on the level i wish for, but at least i don’t need to depend on anyone anymore and can be my own anchor in the world. (does effect the 10th house too)

    • My Saturn is 5 degrees from the IC (in 3rd house, Sag).

      I recently experience the Saturn return and even more recently a transit / retrograde over the IC.

      I moved back to my father’s house and have felt trapped here for the last year. Part of it was a responsibility to help around the house and tend to his back injury, but also I’ve just been financially drained. Living out in the endless suburbs has me feeling trapped and isolated. I know part of it is a mindset, but I know deep in my heart that I was meant to travel and establish a home on my own terms.

      Now that the Saturn retrograde has ended, Mars has transited the IC and will soon conjunct Saturn in the 4th. I’m beginning to pack my possessions and hope to be taking flight by the time that happens.

  18. When Saturn transited my IC, my life-long partner left me after taking care of him during a bout of non-hodgkins lymphoma for six months. We both thought he would die. But being a nurturing Cancer, I became his personal nurse and between me and the chemo, I feel I saved his life. Especially because the first few visits to the hospital ended up with the physician sending him home with a laxative. I was furious and he ended up having a baseball sized tumor in his large intestine.

    Then, when he went into remission, Saturn made this transit to the IC and he met someone else (typical duplicitous Gemin – sorry Gem’s I have a Gemini rising and understand there exists duplicity in almost all of us). So from one day to the next, literally, he got up one morning, took all of his furniture out of the condo that night and moved out. Just like that. I had no idea what hit me. The place was glorious – I have Libra ruling my 4th house – so you can imagine – it was my dream home. I spent boatloads of money gutting it out and redecorating it to make it the perfect sanctuary.

    I then went into a severe depression from the betrayal. And tried to hold onto the condo, by placing an ex-bf in there to pay the maintenance and the taxes – which were high. And moved out to L.A. to get some space because I couldn’t be in my home anymore, without balling my guts out.

    And in L.A. I moved 4 or 5x in less than four years. Some reason would always arise in the place I was living, that would force me to move. Like, my first place – which also was amazing – went from rental to condo, but the price was more than half a million dollars. Alone, I couldn’t afford it. I barely scratched $400k with the money from the last place.

    And, sadly, $400k in L.A. at the time, bought you a bathroom sized apartment facing a brick wall. Everything was over $500k, that was worth it’s weight in salt, and so I just rented. Even though I had a place to crash, nothing felt quite like home anymore while Saturn continued through my 4th house.

    That same feeling went on even when I moved back east for a job in Florida. Now am back home in Miami Beach (which I hate, hate, hate) with what’s left of my family and still recovering from such a major betrayal. I guess I was scarred for life. Traumatized. As I assume a lot of orphans and people who are suddenly displaced would feel like inside for their entire lives.

    It’s funny, this is the first time I’m sharing this openly after so many years. Thanks Elsa, for the post. And thank you stranger for bringing up the topic. I find this blog so cathartic.

    But, absolutely yes, the crushing pain is still there and nothing, not alchohol nor a drug nor another person, has ever been able to take that pain away. I also have a Mars Pluto conjunction on the IC and I believe that could have made that event particularly brutal.

    And I’ve also come to learn, events that major are usually 100% karmic. Perhaps, I did the same thing to him in a past life and this was payback. But, it sucks, because I feel as if I’m still paying emotionally from that. I was never able to trust anyone again. Or feel like I had a home.

    Guess that’s my karmic quest to find that once more.

    Hopefully I will do so, in this lifetime. Hope I didn’t depress anyone. But am just being truthful about it. Welcome to Saturn into Sadge, right?

    • (((Gio))) No, that was not karma with your ex, he was just being a jerk. If that was karma, you would have been rewarded after doing the right thing in this life, in other words, looking after him through an illness. Not necessarily by you two staying together for eternity, but by him treating you better in split up and not leaving you scarred for life.

      I hope you’ll still find a happy place in your life, it may take time, but since I’ve studied this a lot lately, Saturn on MC tends to be a high point, toward what you “climb” and study.

      • Thank you Candela, for kind of clarifying that. Unfortunately, I should have seen the red flags earlier in the relationship. Having a Gemini rising in the end of the 3rd Decan (28 degrees 41 minutes) put his Sun in my 12th house. And when we first met, I did our synastry chart, and whenever a partner’s Sun falls in the other person’s 12th house, the 12th House Sun partner will be prone to harboring secrets and sneaking around or doing stuff behind the other’s back.

        So, there was always that feeling even before the cancer. But, whenever I tried to “end” things, he would make a million reasons why we shouldn’t. And being a Cancer with a Moon in Pisces, I admit to vacillating and being easily swayed and swindled. In short, it doesn’t take a lot to convince me.

        Now, interestingly, this happened when Saturn entered Virgo at 1 degree. Because my IC is 3 degrees Virgo. And with Pluto in the 4th at 6 degrees Virgo, this was a Saturn conjunct Mars conjunct IC conjunct Pluto opposition MH, Moon, Chiron, South Node conjunction. In other words, all the cards were clearly on the table.

        While am being brutalized by the Uranus/Pluto square for the last 2 1/2 years, I realized, by reading Elsa’s comments that Pluto is all or nothing. So Saturn conjunct Pluto was a kind of ending for me that was destined to happen. No matter what I tried or how much I reasoned with him, his mind was made up and there was no turning back (Pluto).

        And, to boot, Saturn (the father) transiting Pluto was my father’s death, who I adored. He had just died. So this partner continued to carry through his selfish plan at a time when I was flat on my back on the floor.

        I know where you’re coming from. Yes, he was a very selfish man. Probably a psychopath with a very pronounced Pluto square to Venus. But I have read charts since I was 12. And I noticed that aspect was one a lot of people I was involved with seemed to share. Almost, like I attracted that energy. What this experience did for me was make me more vigilant about who I let in and who I don’t. But with so many broken souls out there, my Pisces Moon can’t help but feel like I’m saving them.

        That’s why when the cancer came, at a time when I was sure that this relationship might not be “the one” as how I had once thought, I said to myself that only a monster would leave another at a moment when they were diagnosed with cancer. So, like I said, I became the caretaker. And I was fine with that. And, as luck or unluck would have it, I was his sole caretaker and patient advocate. The family, his family, washed their hands of his cancer and left it ALL on me.

        Ironically, his diagnosis came exactly two weeks after my father died of a brain tumor, also cancer. My Dad was a Cap. A successful New York lawyer and never approved of my partner since day one. But I was blind in love. He had a Libra rising and came across like prince charming. But in real life, he was anything but.

        So, I do see your point, but with the Nodes involved and Chiron, it had to be karmic. My Saturn is now squaring Mars/Pluto and the Moon and the IC and MH and other challenges have arisen. Am dealing. I have a great Saturn (in Cap, trine Venus).

        But, sadly, I never recovered. Became lost in alcohol and drugs (Moon in Pisces) and then recovery. But the broken soul thing is also karmic, because I have Venus in Taurus conjunct Algol. I was born in Spain minutes apart from Princess Diana. And from a distance she had everything. But close-up, she met and married some serious a-holes. Pardon my French.

        So, now I prefer to date my computer. I am still that hurt. I am still that hurt. And, even though, part of me saw something coming, I never expected it to be that brutal and harsh.

        I suppose it will take something magical or amazingly therapeautic to undo this. It has yet to come. But, am done. Am done with love. I said that to myself after that incident. That was the day I stopped believing in love and soul mates and the like. At least for this lifetime.

        Again, thank you for giving me hope about Saturn MH. Because when am alone and looking up at the stars, that glimmer that I used to have in my heart is extinguished from that one event. It hurt that much. But I blame Pluto and Saturn together more than just Saturn on the IC.

        Like I said, with Pluto there’s no turning back. It’s death first. Then rebirth. I’m still waiting for the rebirth. :(.

        Thank you so much for responding though. I need to believe there are still people out there who are inherently good. Like Elsa. I said in another blog, she gives me hope. And, sometimes, that’s all you really need to carry on.

        • I’ve read through the comments and find so much comfort in them. Thank you all for sharing. Some amazing people on here. Gio, I was so grateful to read your experience. The similarities are uncanny. I am a cancer as well (with a stellium in gemini) who nursed a gemini after severe back issues. He collapsed at work and I had to do everything for him for quite awhile which I did lovingly. He repaid me with a brutal betrayal that I still struggles with. I, too, feel some Karmic connection to it; I have both saturn and chiron in pisces in the 7th so you can imagine the growth opportunities that has provided. The gift that keeps on giving. 🙂 Anyway, typing from a phone but wanted to comment on your story. Well written, as one would expect from a gemini rising with the depth of a cancer pisces sun/moon. Thank you.

        • Hi, Gio! I was deeply touched by your story. I hope you feel better now. I also experienced a very brutal betrayal in personal relationship about 8 years ago. I am beginning to feel in the last year that the depression is lifting finally. After all the anger and resentment and agony I can hardly believe it. And I am not in another relationship and didn’t go through therapy or anything. I just lived and tried not dwell on it too much. It was impossible to do in the first years. I feel like you would know what I am talking about. I guess I want to tell you and others, who can read it, that there is hope. During the darkest times I would read. The book that explained a lot to me and helped me to think more clearly was Descent to the Goddess by Sylvia Brinton Perera. It’s a very strange book, maybe not for everyone, but it looks in detail on the woman’s journey to the underworld and back. I think it is essential book for everyone who went through unbearable in their lives. Another book that helped was People of the Lie by M. Scott Peck. Another weird book but it resonated with me at the time because the author admits the existence of evil. As far as I know psychotherapists don’t. Even writing about these books makes me uncomfortable because it brings such dark memories. But I understand now that they helped a lot at the time. The journey back is really bizarre, by the way. I have an Auquarius Sun in conjunction with my IC. And I have Vinus in Pisces in the 5th opposition Pluto. I went through a phase of collecting children books that I lost when I was little. I collected a small library. I started working with children too. That is still going on. But now I understand that something else was always lurking behind these activities. I am beginning to see now that I am being pushed into being creative. My Venus is also conjuncts my North Node. I started doing hand-made cards in the last two years and it is turning into something that I really love. And it pushes me into drawing and painting as well. This is, of course, my personal journey and very 3rd, 4th and 5th house but maybe it will help somebody one day too. The understanding that I became more conscious somehow never makes it better. But the understanding that after everything I went through I can still see beauty in some things really makes it bearable. Thank you again for your story. I have Mars in Scorpio but I still cannot imagine the anger you must have felt with your Mars-Pluto conjunction. Do you know the myth that is associated with Gemini? The one about one day spent in heaven and one in hell to stay whole? I hope you much closer to heaven days now.

  19. Going through it right now. Have moved 4 times this year already! Now have no place to live for beginning of month, so I was going to go travel, but plans were thwarted by a drunk driver. Sooo…staying with friends for a few weeks during therapy. My plan is to be nomadic until I find my city, but Saturn in 4th has left me feeling trapped anywhere I find a home. Also barely calling mom, trying to get away. I don’t even know if i want a home anymore. Home means rent, bills, a burden. No more roommates for me, for sure. And yes, depression and loneliness, big time. Looking forward to things moving up again.

  20. The whole time Saturn has been in my 4th (I have about half way to go) I have been moving. Once a year at least, this will be my 4th move coming up in a month, since 2012.
    Once it leaves my 4H (around March 2016) I think I will finally find somewhere that I won’t feel so finicky about.

  21. I’ll face this during 2016 and 2017 but I experienced in 1986 and 1987. My father died during Saturn transiting Scorpio and I thought I would leave NY and move back to the south to help my mother but I couldn’t face it. During Saturn’s transit to my Nadir I struggled to stay in NYC but my life crashed down around me. The company I worked for and the job I loved were wiped out when our biggest client left and downsizing led to pay decreases and then ultimately the company going out of business. I stayed till the furniture was being auctioned off. My next job paid half of the one before (even after accepting a wage decrease) and I had to leave my beautiful apartment of ten years to become a room mate of a friend. As good friends as we were, we were terrible rooming partners. I had given up half my possessions to share an apartment with her. As the transit ended and started the slow climb up, I moved south. I spent one year there with my mother – which began a new and wonderful relationship with her – to move on to a new life. It seems for me, who also is a sun sign sagittarius and this transit squares my pisces moon in the 7th, this was a period of finding a way to harmonize my spirit and heart. And yes, I feel and see the same type of situation starting again but hopefully I’ll bring forth this knowledge and know not to fight the raging current so hard. To put my arms out and float a little bit.

  22. That was one of the worst transits of my life – starting in late August 2010 when Saturn crossed my IC (opposing my MC) – I was fired unexpectedly from a job. As Saturn passed through my 4th house, my father died, my marriage went through a horrible time and nearly split up, and finally my mother died (as Neptune was also opposing my Moon at the time). I was very happy to see him finally move on to my 5th.

    • Virgomoon, I am sorry about your hardships. Saturn is now approaching my IC. Well, I havehad hardships all along so I am curious to see what new hardships the universe makes up for me. It´s a challenging task since I have had many. I am feeling really low, and despite always being the positive person, now I just feel like my jaw is touching my chest, I am so down. Can I get any more down? Well, let´s see.

  23. Saturn conjunct IC/Neptune — spouse and I called it quits. Very tough financially. Saturn farther into 4th house – finances better. began new job with much better pay; relocated to a nicer town, nicer house. I’m much happier now. Saturn conjunct Neptune = dreams became reality (after many years of hard work) :o)

  24. When it happened to me, I left a city I absolutely loved and apt I loved — and moved to a new job and great apt in another city closer to my family, where illness required my closer attention. I was v. sad to bid my lovely life farewell but went with it. it was time, due to the illness and lots of people I liked were leaving my old job anyway, making it less appealing to stay, and my new job paid 2x with bonuses too. Things turned out to be fine in the new city/apt. Though I was often a little homesick for my old city/friends and the life i had there, I was glad I’d uprooted and made the move in a few respects.

  25. It was not fun times!! Had a huge falling out with my roommates and ended up moving out on my own. I considered one of them to be my bestie at that time, and it was pretty much the end of our friendship when I packed my bags and left. Ouch.

  26. 4th house Saturn transit occurred during my sophomore through senior years of college. I stayed in the dorms although the college was in the same state I was born and raised in. I knew in my senior year of high school that I did not want to attend college in my hometown which has some of the best higher education institutions in the U.S. Saturn transiting the 12th house (just completed this past Fall) was more challenging IMHO.

  27. It was a very Hallmark card time for me. Like the family around a fire place type of transit, which is unusual for a hard transit. We moved to a beautiful house and for three years things were stable and warm.

  28. My mother died after being on hospice with difficulties from dementia. Saturn in the fourth in Scorpio, conjunct natal Chiron, sextile natal Mercury, semi-sextile natal Jupiter, trine natal Venus,

  29. I had a great many health issues at that time in my life. I quit smoking only to be diagnosed with diabetes. And there were a lot of other health issues I had to deal with during the first half of 2007. A yeast infection that lasted for over 3 months. Both big toenails had to be removed and that was the most painful thing I had ever been through (including having 2 children and several surgeries.) One has since grown back and the other is trying to. Sure hope I never have to go through that again! And I know there were other things I can’t think of at this moment.

  30. Thank you for this. I just finished this transit (Saturn in Scorpio in the 4th) and it was pretty brutal. I was lonely, had a home that wasn’t mine, was estranged from my family, and generally felt adrift. I wasn’t getting paid for my work, and so had trouble also feeling supported in other areas of my life. It was really rough and I am thankful to be out of it. I think there is a lot to think about and unpack from that time, but I can’t get away from it fast enough. I know it will come around again in another 24 years or so, but I can’t say that I’m looking forward to it. What does the 2nd time around this transit look like (Saturn in the 4th, take 2)?

    • ” What does the 2nd time around this transit look like (Saturn in the 4th, take 2)?”

      Good question!

      It depends on what you learned the first time! It can definitely be much easier. 🙂

  31. ps – by the end of the transit I had a new home, a new job, and had at least opened the door to communicate in a better way (more boundaries) with my family. So even though it was a very tough transit, it did ultimately bring about better ways of being, IMO.

  32. thanks, i really appreciate the variety of perspectives here. was moved away during the last transit (as a child.) feel like i’m in a race against time to move back close to my grandmothers before they pass. but it means uprooting all the settling in i’ve done here over the past two decades. never intended to be here that long. got stuck. time to get unstuck….

  33. Going through this right now. So far, well, In february (4 months ago) I sustained a pretty bad concussion that I’m still trying to recover from. I’m a stay at home mom of a 13 month old. I had to quit my job. My partner works 6 days a week 12 hrs a day and is never home. Our relationship is falling apart. I’ve had to call upon my parents for alot of help With my baby because we’ll this is so hard. I’m exhausted, isolated in this home. My mind is doing its own thing sinxe my head injury. I feel like im fighting with everyone way more. Especially my mother. And old resentments towards her are resurfacing..resentments of not feeling understood and taken care of the way I needed as a child. I want to be taken care of and nurtured now. I asked if I could move home to my parents. They said no ,because I’m “messy”. Of course my house is a mess right now, Im alone with a brain injury trying to keep myself and my toddler alive day after day after same day over and over. I’m dying of boredom but don’t have energy to change it. I feel like everyone’s out there moving on with their lives while I lay here stuck,trapped,alone. I am not alone in reality ,I have a very caring family, partner and good friends..but no one can seem to understand what I’m going thru and it’s lonely in that sense. I spend most of my days wishing I could fast forward to 4 years from now.. when my head injury will likely be healed, my kid will be old enough to feed and change himself and talk and all that …oh and when this transit will be over. I was wondering what was going on and just found out Saturn’s transiting my 4th. Makes sense now. I’ve been dealing with pluto transiting my natal moon a few years ago and that was a rough 5 yrs or so. Trying to hold onto hope ghat there’s better days ahead.

    • Lindsay, i have only just started going through this transit and am experiencing very much the same things as you – down to wishing it were 5 years in the future, wanting to be nurtured by my parents again (yet at the same time resenting how unnurtured i felt as a child), quitting a corporate job to stay at home with my 18 month old and a second baby due in less than a month, lack of motivation but utterly bored, pretty much everything you’re experiencing. I don’t remember ever feeling this down before.

      What from everyone says, this is a turning point in life. Designed to heal you from the inside so that growth can occur on the outside. I hope and pray everyday. : )

  34. It was about 2011 when I went through my Saturn return and about 2012 when it entered my 4th house; and these past couple of years have been hard. My house got robbed. I visited my real father whom I’ve only met a few times before which was a disaster. My mom betrayed and backstabbed me which led to me separating myself from her and a lot of my other family members. I felt like an orphan and still do. My teenaged daughter decided to live with her father for a year. It was a decision made a lot because of what my own mother was filling her head up with so I finally said okay, I’ll let her go. It was the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do emotionally. She is back home now after a school year and we both agree that it ended up being for the best. She learned a lot in the process and so did I. I’ve learned through this experience who really cared about me and who didn’t. I saw a lot of the dark reality in people which also revealed to me which ones didn’t have my back and showed me the ones who do care. Things have been a little better this year though. My mom tries to get me back in her life but idk if I should let that happen or not. It’s going to take time to forgive her. Writing all of this out has brought tears to my eyes.

    • I also forgot to mention that my daughter went out of state to live with her dad, so yes, that was very very hard. But I do feel that a lot of good came out of that for her and me. She got to visit her dad and her other family and siblings and had a blast. Plus we talked very often and I visited her twice which resulted in very nice memories between us. And now she’s home and says she never wants to be without me for that long ever again. And I feel the exact same way.
      Also during the past few years a skin problem flared up and I got misdiagnosed with mrsa which scared me badly for a few months, until finally they sent lab work in which confirmed I didn’t have anything so serious as that. So I took harsh antibiotics and went through a few months of stress for nothing.

      So yeah…I’ve had a pretty bad couple of years…thankfully I’m feeling the light at the end of the tunnel. And I do feel almost superhuman now that I went through all of that so far. Lol. So anyone else going through it just try to keep your chin up and know that it’s only temporary. Thanks for listening.

  35. I can feel my life opening up again compared to how it was the past few years. It was terrible, but things are definitely getting better now that Saturn is in Sadge. Under Placidus, Saturn is still in my 4th, but by early December, it’ll be completely out of it. Yay!

  36. Will it still feel as bad if i have no planets in the fourth only north node?? My depression is finally getting abit better (natal moon square sat)

  37. When saturn crossed my ic back in 1993, I kicked my then bf out if our shared home as he was unfaithful and that’s when saturn really hit ‘Home’.
    He broke into the house constantly to undermine me as there was no stuff in the house by then,he became a stalker before stalking became a crime in the uk.
    The police could not help as he was named on the mortgage so was not breaking in ,per se.
    It was he..this left me with agoraphobia as could not face going out as could not stand coming back.
    I have seven planets/asteroids in my fourth house.
    It was ding ,ding, ding ding for quite a number of years.
    In fact Neptune is currently trsnsiting my stelliums and guess what ,the agoraphobia is back but worse than ever.
    Wish me luck at least I know what’s coming.

  38. nearly forgot to mention,came very close to losing the home.the bf s approach was to make me pay more money to get him off the mortgage ,but house prices had dropped at that time so in my favour, the whole process took three years to finalise and cost a lot more than money.
    I never recovered ,not fully, and the rootless feeling I do still understand.

  39. I’ve got a lunar chart in upcoming September, with Mars conjunct Saturn in the 4th house. I could very well be moving at that time. But am concerned that Mars is in conjunction with Saturn. I know it’s just a lunar chart, but it does mean something for September. Looks like “not good”…!?

  40. Hi all,

    I’ve been going through this since Jan 2015 (Saturn through 4th) and have experienced the following:

    – Isolation (Around the same time Saturn hit IC i quit my corporate job to look after my then 1 year old, fell pregnant shortly afterwards and gave birth in Nov 2015 to my second daughter). I have absolutely no family of my own where i live who can help me raise my kids or nurture me for that matter, hence the sense of isolation. My husband is extremely busy in his work at the moment .
    – Depression . After quitting my job, i feel useless. I had never been without my own income and financial independence before and learning to be dependent on my husband financially has come with its fair share of lessons.
    – A sense of having to start all over again. I want to go back to work, but cannot go back to where i was before as it will not give me the flexibility i’ll need to raise my daughters as i see fit. I’m currently researching other viable careers as i know i need to head out in a different direction but i am petrified at the thought of starting again from scratch.
    – Introspection. Have been thinking about my upbringing a lot (probably because i now have my own children to raise and refuse to make the same mistakes my folks made) and resentments are arising over my parents shortcomings when i was growing up. This also comes with a lot of forgiveness and healing as i now understand how hard it is to be a parent.
    – Domestic upheaval. I have been forced to put a system in place in my home to allow my domestic environment to sun more smoothly. I live in a country where i can easily hire a nanny to help me with admin tasks involving the kids . I am now on nanny number 5 since beginning of the year due to various reasons (theft, negligence, not being right fit for the job etc )

    Saturn will soon hit my natal Neptune in 4th (and ruler of the 7th!!!) and i am sure this will just be the icing on the cake for me. Yes yes yes, Saturn brings focus to the house it transits and forces you to get that house in order. Saturn better well bring me a nice gift after its 4th house vacation ….. otherwise i’m not inviting Saturn over to play ever again : )

  41. When Saturn was conjunct my IC (and square my Mars in the 12th), I moved across the country, alone, to San Francisco. And as soon as I arrived, I felt like I was home.

  42. Have to rue….he’s been harsh with me. And my decanate is SAT\CAP. Double whammy: he’s been riding my PR dsc last two years..doubtful my situation will ease up bafter he happy drops straight into my battered H6. plus SAT progresses a major perch over my SA Midheav. “Help me” Lord of the Binds is 10deg off my tenuous IC. But then again, only I to blame. I’ve played my Life cards wrong and have totally bull baited restriction, hard lessons, loss and exaggerated “obligations.”

  43. Good piece and very helpful comments. This is late but I want to add my bit. This transit will happen for me 3 times in 2017. The last time Saturn crossed my IC and into the 4th house was very difficult I had to move home and live with my parents for health reasons (I was in my 40s) but in hindsight it set me off on a new life path eventually. I’ve been dealing with a different chronic health condition since Saturn crossed the Ascendant in 2009/2010 and have been confined to home a great deal because of it and the loneliness can be wearing and frustrating, so while I’m not expecting a rose garden I am hoping that once the transit passes the IC and starts working through the 4th house I will be in the process of turning some kind of a corner.

    On the plus side, my home needs a lot of DIY work done in the coming years – things have slipped since 2009. This feels like my “job” for the duration of the transit, inner and outer “home improvements” I am looking on the Saturn transit past the IC and into the 4th as a way of laying the foundations for an eventual move and a new chapter opening.

    Looking back in my Ephemeris it’s been striking how the passage of Saturn over the angles every 7 years or so has always indicated a new beginning of some kind. Am praying it will be a positive one now.

    • mm, I would really like to hear how it´s been for you! I hope you are all right and have survived your experiences. Hopefully you have even had some happiness!

      My IC is 29 Sagg and I hope to get a permanent home. My my life has been full of hardships. and the last years have been terrible. I already had to move out from our home due to sale (divorce), but now it seems that PERHAPS I will move back – but that will mean a lot of financial responsibilities and employment is tough. It´s all uncertain, but I guess it will get confirmed as Saturn moves ahead tp Capricorn. There´s a new moon 26 Sagg on my IC around 18 th Dec 2017 and the new moon is conjunct Saturn. (I am no longer paying that much attention to planets, experience has proved there´s no point.)

      In truth, I really would like to have a home I can feel safe and happy in. I have never really felt belonging to anywhere, also had a challenging childhood (Capricorn in the 4th).

      Mind you, transiting Uranus is soon next year 2018 opposing my natal Scorpio moon. Well, that does not indicate stability but at least it may mean that I can free myself from patterns originated in childhood. Emotional freedon and better bonding. perhaps good relationships? perhaps a family of friends? Perhaps a home…

      • Jane, you have a chart very similar to mine. My IC is 8 degrees Capricorn. The last time I had this transit was in Jan. 1989, I was renting an old house that was haunted (long story) and was desperate to get out. I did find a cute little house to rent in a more rural area. It was an old hunting cabin on a huge property. It needed lots of work, but I loved the property, so I moved in and a couple of years later, bought the house. I’ve now lived here almost 30 years and am looking at whether to sell or remodel.

        The thing I remember about renting the house at that time is that it was near impossible to meet with the owner. He lived out of state, but I was persistent. It took over a month and in the meantime, I had big problems in the haunted house I lived in.

        This could be a great time for you to find a home, Jane, despite any obstacles. I had little money at that time, but I made it by downsizing everything. I was married, so it was a little different than your circumstances, but we didn’t have much money.

        I will have transiting Uranus (8th house) opposing my natal Scorpio Moon in 2018 too. My Moon is in the 2nd house, so this is going to be about money and what I value for me. This year is when my husband and I will retire and live off Social Security and our investments. Scary as all hell.

        Jane, I think the Uranus transit will free you from your old patterns and lifestyle. Uranus can also bring opportunities you never thought of. At the time I found my house 30 years ago, t. Uranus was conjunct t. Saturn. Sounds ominous at face value, but for me it meant a fluky little ad in a newspaper I responded to advertising the house. I had to send a request to set up a meeting to a PO box.

        Good luck. I think you might find what you’re looking for.

        • JoFrance, I am absolutely encouraged by your reply, thank you so much! Oh dear, we certainly have similarities in our charts. My natal Moon is in the 2nd house 3 degrees Scorpio. Let´s see what it will bring about. It may mean the death of a parent. Moon rules the 10th of my chart and since I am unemployed, perhaps it may mean a sudden change for better in my financial position! Well, I cannot see how it could mean a sudden change for the worse since I´ve already had that.;) Well, I suppose things can ALWAYS get worse although cannot see how. (Need to take the subject with a sense of humour. That is possible only after one´s been through a lot, as most people here know.)

          Uranus rules the 5th house of my chart (in which the Sun in Pisces also resides), so perhaps I come accross the love of my life? I am in midlife, so that would be nice.

          Uranus has been transiting my 8th house (21 Aries to 20 Taurus) for a time being. Divorce, legal adversities, financial loss. You mentioned that you had chronic health condition. I had too, but was operated on a few years ago and those operations transformed my life for the good. Actually, Uranus was not quite in my natal 8th house at the time, but well on it´s way there. The day I was operated on, transiting Mars was in Libra opposing transiting Uranus – the same planetary configuration is on today. So, Mars-Uranus transit, even opposition, can mean sudden transformations for the good.This end of November and beginning of December 2017, transiting Mars is about 25 Libra and Uranus 25 Aries.

          Ever since Saturn´s been transiting my 3rd house in Sagg, I have had this legal suite and adversity / ex, affecting me. Also, I lived in a neigbourhood, in a part of my country where people are really unbecomingly unfriendly towards people who come from some other part of the country. In other words, the local people were socially and mentally restricted – Saturn. It was most depressing.

          Your house hunting sounds like a great adventure, you were very persistent. As I recognize Scorpio Moons can be…;) I am very encouraged about that you finally found the home you had dreamed about.

          I am ready for Saturn transiting the base of my chart. Let´s hope that I can POSSIBLY expect some very unexpected windfall which will change my prospects. I thought that maybe Uranus in the 8th and Uranus soon opposing my Moon, can bring a loving and lasting relationship in to my life. I have never really experienced an emotionally satisfying relationship. I suppose I am ready for such partnership at this age…;) I am quite happy on my own with my pet. Have always loved animals and have very deep friendship and happy times with my pets. They reflect back every emotion and deserve only the best.

          I hope that you JoFrance find the right answers about your heaven cottage as time goes by. I suppose aging changes one´s requirements for living. One needs to have an easy access to services and shops etc (I think, can be wrong). I am glad you have a good partner with whom to make decisions.I wonder perhaps Uranus opposing Moon -transit can bring love in to my life, too.

          JoFrance, be well and bless you. Jane

          • Wow! You both have very similar charts to mine. My IC is also 29 Sag and I’m a Scorpio Moon – ha ha! – and my North Node is 2 Cap. When Saturn hit 26 Sag, I was laid off literally the morning after my 18 year Corporate anniversary. (My Vertex is approx 26 Pisces) Actually, I was dying to get out and am very happy to take the package and run but…am definitely starting over and few friends or family stepped up to be of any help – which was interesting. I very much feel on my own (All my siblings and several of my friends are late Virgo risings so…in essence, we’re all kind of in the same boat and not much good to each other.) I’m not yet in my forever relationship but thinking a whole lot about it and marriage/children and what my new life vocation will be. (I’m in my mid-40s.) I already had several female mentors pass away and my parents are really aging so there’s that. Soon, transiting Sun/Saturn/Venus will all cross my IC/North Node which doesn’t sound all bad but definitely sounds life-changing. I just experienced my Uranus opposition – the “now or never transit” and here we go with Saturn opposition. (Saturn conjuncts my MC/South Node natally.) so here’s the elbow grease to make it happen.

            I am getting real about cleaning up my health after years of neglect and trying to practice better emotional and physical self care with this newfound time off. I’m also having to contemplate putting systems of support in place to help me as I can no longer realistically manage everything I used to handle on my own.

            I knew Saturn was coming for my 4th and did a lot of financial and domestic re-arranging over the last year. (literally what I spent almost the entire last year doing.) I was hoping to relocate to my dream area with some Coastal farmland but something is telling me I’m having to stay put and root where i am for now. Not a bad scenario actually, BTW, but I feel my domestic and “community” responsibilities will increase. (I work in Real Estate field and am getting deeper involved in this vocation. I will have to work hard at the beginning to establish myself and create something new for myself which will eventually be very rewarding.)
            Pluto has been transiting my 4th house for ages which has caused tons of renovations, upheavals and moving and lot of dreaming about settling in the perfect place. By the time these two finally exit my 4th, I feel I’ll finally be settled. ;}

            • It´s scary. Do you think that meanwhile Pluto is in 4th, it is impossible to have a settled home?? It lasts nearly 20 years in a house!!! So, when both Pluto and Saturn hit my IC I´ll be homeless…Oh god.

        • JooFrance, I reread your reply from a few years Back.I also replied Just today a Fellow ‘passenger’ Lou, how I am trying to get rid of this addicton, astrology. The division of assets after divorce (finalized April 2015, solar Eclipse on My descendant 29 Pisces) has been going on since at least Jan 2016. There were illegalities with the lawyers, I proceeded with claims with clear evidence against them. My claim was not dealt by officials, it was overlooked, The System protected The lawyers. The division was done on false basis benefiting My wealthy ex, and I got hardly anything. The recdnt solar Eclipse brought The News. Four years of fighting as The underdog, the one who has money, is successful with deception. There is a possibility of taking The Case further, but a friend of mine suspects that I cannot win against this deception. I am now really in my depths, All alone, lost My home through deception, lost most of The assets to lawyers. In The end, ended up with very little money. I have dreamt of home All my Life, having Capricorn in my 4th, Life has been a struggle. I got strength from planning buying low priced property and getting a Job. Now, I’ve lost My Faith, My money. I still believe I manage to get a Job, but live in an unsatisfactory appartment, and have responsibilities, aging mother, sibling in a difficult health condition. I now could get My own House only in very remote areas. Perhaps would get a Job there too. How is it to live in an area where there’s no Street lambs, ‘walking the dog in The Dark. I am not having hope because so Far I have been unjustly unlucky. This Uranus opp Moon is freeing Me from childhood patterns and in general, releasing Me from The old Me. It is All happening inwards, I I have always been Positive but now I can see that oddly, My Life has been a struggle despite I am a deserving, decent character.At least, fron now on I am not going to Be planning My Life with the planets. I find that this addicton is something that I truly fooled myself.

          I would be interested to hear how are you doing JoFrance. Sorry, I sound pessimistic, no doubt for a Just reason.

      • Hi Jane, I’ve just seen your post and query. Thanks for asking. My IC is at 26 Sag as well so the New Moon really kickstarted things for me. I’m actually confined to home more than normal since Christmas because I pulled a muscle in my lower back which is taking time to heal. I’m not fighting this though with the current planetary emphasis on the 4th house.

        On the plus side I’ve started those much needed house refurbishment/repairs I mentioned in my first comment, or rather I’m getting people in to do it. It won’t be cheap (in my terms) but I look on it as an investment. I’m pleased to be doing this.

        Also, last Monday, on the day of Supermoon in Cancer,opposite my 4th, my lovely cleaner who has come in twice a month for the past seven years told me that she is leaving as she is starting a new and different job. This seems very 4th house linked as well to me – though I currently have transiting Uranus stationed on my natal Aries moon which might be part of the picture. I’ve got a new cleaner starting in February – she will be needed as I can’t cope physically with many of the tasks.

        I do hope things are working out for you and you are getting the answers you need now that Saturn is in your 4th. I’m finding it very helpful to know the planetary patterns – they make what’s going on less scary!

  44. When Tr Saturn was conj my IC I moved across the country to Colorado by myself (from Ohio). Didn’t know anybody. It happened out of nowhere (Tr Uranus squ my Sun), and I was running away from an ex that I literally saw sleeping with another women (Tr Pluto opp ASC, Tr Neptune squ Moon). This was also my Saturn return. It was extremely hard.

  45. It was interesting to read peoples´ experiences when transiting Saturn hit their IC= the 4th house cusp and entered the 4th house. There were good experiences, but also challenging life experiences. Well Transiting Saturn is now about 26-27 deg Saggitarius and my IC is 29 Sagg. I am hoping to establish my base. Hopefully I am not going to have to face challenge. The past, over ten years (or perhaps my entire life), have been hard. Neptune has crossed over my Venus (19 Aquarius), Mercury 29 Aqua, Sun nearly 2 Pisces and Saturn 6 Pisces.- Well, what can I say… And Uranus hit my Descendant 29 Pisces. Now, divorced and other rough stuff, but finally I feel I can live with more wisdom. I am really hoping for a solid dream home when Saturn is now approaching my IC. Uranus is entering my 8th house (21 deg Aries), and I am ready for a total new life to begin. Oh yes, Pluto is still transiting my fourth, and yes, it´s been tough. Brought understanding. Consiousness is a struggel. Now, I am really expecting good things. – I really apppreciated people telling about their experiences, moving to read.

  46. (Sue) I have the same. IC at 29 Sag and can definitely feel Saturn approaching. After almost 18 years, it’s time to leave the corporate gig. Less pay, disillusionment, more unreasonable demands all the time, that seem to always be fighting with a healthier path for my life. health problems of my own. (I’m 43.) Parents are aging, my Uncle died today this am on his own 77th birthday while I was on a plane for this dumb job whose demands have become so arbitrary. I recently sold my first home I designed – with very mixed feelings — and not without having a last wheel of fortune type flood before it totally let me go! I’m working on another fixer I own (sometimes it feels like it will never end) and we’re having a hard time finding a replacement home or “forever” place that really suits completely. But, I’ve made the decision (after originally wanting to relocate a few months back) to stay put closer to family for the next a while (and see things through in the “pretty close to my hometown place” I moved to nearly 2 years ago.) It’s time to get rooted and grounded somewhere. And not totally negative. I have Jupiter transiting my first house (conjunct My Mercury/Uranus) which I think helps offset things so, there are good things (sensing some impending shortages, I paid off most of my debt for the first time in ages) but there is a distinct sense of closing chapter and no turning back. I lost a dear older female friend a few months back and have a strong feeling my 102 year old grandmother will pass this year too. (All three of us siblings have late Virgo ASC) and have had draining moves or Real Estate things going on. I notice what I am losing most is mentors and I have the feeling I have to be strong and be an inner parent to myself to get to the next level. Some days I feel really tired and lack motivation to get going with the new path I need to get going on, but it’s happening little by little. I would love to find my forever relationship (it’s been a rocky road) and have been thinking heavily about the pros and cons becoming a parent by some means or another.
    Love everyone’s comments!

    • 8ofhearts. I received your reply today 7th of July 2017!!! You have written your reply 7th March.

      We seem to have about the same angles in our natal charts. If you wish, we could exchange emails and exchange experiences. Mine: ilotuuli@hotmail.com I do not open this email every day/week so my answer will delay a bit.

      My IC 29 Sagg, ASC 29 Virgo 57´. So, I have the sign Capricorn in my 4th house. The ruler Saturn is conjunct my Sun in the fifth, Saturn close to the cusp of the sixth house.
      Sun-Saturn -natal aspects do not promise an easy life. Well, that is true. But it´s true for the majority of people.

      Transiting Pluto is in my 4th house. So, this is deep stuff. I also had tr. Jupiter on my Asc, but I have a difficult legal case going on and on, the lawyers purposefully elongating a simple case. Taking advantage of ex´s stupidity and vindictiveness. Still going on…

      I had to move out of our apartment and all the rest unpleasant stuff. Very challenging stuff but the only way to deal with it is detachment and letting go. Otherwise it would have broken my health in every way. So, I thought, change always involves some kind of a loss. Financial loss in this case and bereavement. however, I have really practiced detachment and letting go. The nodal axes in Leo-Aqua has helped me. I have Leo in my 11 th house. I experienced a kind of grace fallen on me on February 2017 when there was a lunar eclipse in Aquarius.

      Now I live in a flat and I do not feel right here. I am trusting that at least I am keeping my faith and do everything to make my life happy. I try to find happiness in the here and now. And I still have a dream of having my dream house.

      You know, I think the eclipses in August 2017 will make the difference. I am not so much staring at astrology, but try to kind of get something that encourages my faith.

      You are around nine years younger than me. You need to follow your own path.I just got divorced and my relationship did show me the wounds and relating patterns I have from childhood. Now, for the first time in my life I feel I do not need a relationship in order to be happy! That´s a winner! I need my pet. also, I feel that I need to put myself first (have not previously done it, I´ve neglected my own emotional needs). For the first time I feel that I actually know who I am. TRUTH SETS YOU FREE. Living in an illusion is painful. seeing the truth is liberating.

      • ‘ I feel that I need to put myself first (have not previously done it, I´ve neglected my own emotional needs). For the first time I feel that I actually know who I am. TRUTH SETS YOU FREE. Living in an illusion is painful. seeing the truth is liberating.’

        THIS … is exactly how I feel as I come to the last few months of Saturn transiting my 4th. The hardest couple of years by far , but oh …. by far the most precious and liberating too ! It is ALL worth it.

        • Same here, I have a huge 4th house – 4 years 3 months in case of Saturn. After 3 years and 3 months I can surely say it’s been one of the most difficult periods in my life. Fortunately, Saturn will leave my 4th house for around 4 months mid February 2018, and then will be back for 4 months again. Looking forward for these 4 months in the 5th.
          It was really hard time, but it let me learn a lot about my family and why I became the person I am today, about my choices and my destiny, as a result

      • This is wild! I didn’t scroll down enough to realize I commented already so above is the 6 month update. Well, my grandmother did pass and the job did end. Due to Jupiter moving into my 2nd, I actually did have some really nice financial windfalls to offset some of the hardships. Thanks Great Spirit! I am actually wondering is if my ASC is a bit earlier that thought given the timing and all that went on. It was this Summer that I felt I hit the deadzone and I just couldn’t get it together. By now, I actually feel pretty ok. Hmmmmm….

  47. Saturn in Libra conjunct nadir trine Moon sextile Pluto sextile Venus conjunct Neptune square Mars and Uranus. I was born with this and have lived a lifetime with it. Saturn resides in the 3rd and touches on the nadir. Home was a strange place that didn’t feel like home and although we were taken care of (Saturn trine Moon) – like an outsider living under the same roof, completely misunderstood and unsupported emotionally (except by mother), emotionally abused, also physically as a child, distance and no communication from siblings – cold, unfriendly, lonely – I have dreams of what a family should be … I am attached to the neighbourhood itself strangely – but not the family.

  48. With Saturn conjunct Neptune at the nadir – weird, experiences in the home, psychic experiences, dreams, haunted house, a sister who was a trance medium to me, (Saturn/Neptune in the 3rd), we became very close during the sessions then distanced again, a strange kind of loneliness expressed in poetry and music, clash with father, closer to mother, nothing in common with sister or brothers, father experienced hardship in the home (legal issues – Libra) – a loss of property while I was a teen, sisters and brothers all experienced hardships – accident, illness etc., including myself (Saturn square Mars and Uranus). The home itself (original one built) had to be downsized to a smaller bungalow due to loss resulting from the expropriation of land but the family survived, despite this. Emotional turmoil in connection with all of this. I left home but had to return due to an accident I sustained as an adult. Lived there again for several years while taking more training. Didn’t feel completely at ease until I moved to the opposite side of the country where I have lived the other half of my life. Too much karma associated with my roots. I see it as a place of suffering, that place you call home.

      • This. When the Saturn-Pluto conjunction of early 1980s hit my IC, it completely unraveled my family. I was little then but the impact of it has rippled on for decades. While I recovered, I’m not sure my mother (IC) ever will. I would look at your mother’s transits as well.

    • I´ll be having that soon and I´m terrified of it. I can´t even think what will happen when transit Mars conjunct those. Three malefics at once in a sensitive point like Nadir…guess will be horrible.

      • Loui, Pluto is conjoining my Nadir right now, and Saturn is conjoining my moon in the 3rd. In 2020, Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto will all be in my 4th house, at some point conjoining my Jupiter at 24 Capricorn. At best, it could mean retirement since I’m of that age; maybe a move. I’m hoping Jupiter in the 4th means a successful ending to my career. But the past 1 1/2 years have been unsettling as parts of my life I had counted on suddenly vanished. So the current Saturn transiting my Capricorn moon means I’m mourning those losses, while Pluto conjunct Nadir lets me know something new will eventually be built up if I do the work (Capricorn moon, Venus square Saturn). Try to look on the positive side. Whatever ends needs to go!

        • Thank you, Lou. Let’ s hope The coming lunar eclipse is a friendly one. I could do with a lucky break. Take Care, Lou, and be blessed.

  49. Eeeem…really terrified expecting this transit…it will hit my Ic in 2020, adding Pluto conjunct Saturn to the equation. Both malefics. I prefer not to think what to expect. It is not going to be easy at all. I´m having some problems now (renting is expensive where I live, can´t afford to buy, my father is unhealthy….), I´m expecting all of that to explode soon. I have natally Sun conjunct Saturn and Moon opposite. Isolation is the least I´m concerned actually.

      • Yes, you´re right, very hard to see anything positive sometimes. Venus is square Jupiter natally, and this one trines Mars. Libra rising also 😛

  50. I haven’t had Saturn transit Pluto while in my 4th yet, however…with Pluto in the 4th”, some of the best ways to use the energy is to consciously take on “fixer upper” type places/projects or other transformation energy around family & home. That’s what I’ve done & while draining at times, it has been profitable & also “used up the energy” so to speak. I am more than halfway through & ok but definitely transformed & it has become the pathway to my new vocation moving forward.

  51. Not much, well as a 29 years old I started University atlast!

    My natal Saturn is 20 degrees sagg, and so I had my saturn return last year. It was oppo my natal Moon, mars chiron. I still live at home with my parents, since I’m single, have no job and its nearly impossible finding rent houses in Stockholm! So well I’m happy I have arents thats there for me.

    When saturn hit my natal saturn, uranus and moon, mars chiron I started to have huge fights with my mother.

    Before that we just had find balance and things had been calm for a couple of years, but it all went to hell. She is a rage monster, and I’m too when someone instigates me so yeah, it has been ruogh. But luckily neither I nor she is the type that holds on to groudges! So we always quickly patch things up and move on haha

  52. When Saturn transitted my nadir at 28 Pisces I fell out with my two best friends, never spoke to them again. At the same time I started an ambitious remodelling of my flat which ended up with half the floor falling through into the neighbour’s bathroom below, when the conjunction was exact. Talk about crisis at home and feeling lonely!

  53. Saturn conjunct my IC was in my 3rd house…that was a pretty good time, in retrospect. It coincided with my first year at a new school. Very formative year that set me on a better path.

    Saturn in my 4th house had a lot of ups and downs. Major milestones and some really difficult experiences. Family struggle was a theme. It’s not like things were perfect after that, but I had a certain inner contentment after Saturn left my 4th house, that I didn’t have before or during for the most part. I just became much more grounded and more thoroughly formed as a person.

    I did live away from home for the first time, during that transit. I lived in the dorms my first year of college. Homesickness wasn’t really an issue because my college was in the same part of town as my parents’ house and I would come back on the weekends. I just thought it would be good to experience on-campus living for at least a year, but I decided it wasn’t worth the money to do so in the remaining years.

  54. Checked out this site to review the comments of others on Saturn transiting the fourth, since tr. Saturn is now going through my own 4th house. This is the third time Saturn is transiting my 4th. Last time…28 or so years ago…I closed escrow on my current house. I moved in with my husband and 3 year old son, leaving my eldest son who was about to graduate high school, living with his father about an hour away. I left ‘home’ my beloved community by the beach, to get a new house in a more affordable neighborhood in the dry and dusty suburbs that would accommodate my younger son’s needs. We moved from a small condo to a nice size house near an elementary school. Interest rates were rising so I had to make a choice: see my eldest through high school or think about my youngest. It was a bittersweet time, from which I have never totally recovered, and I felt my eldest was fine, spending a lot of his time socializing and studying and being independent. I was confident seeing him 1X a week until he went off to college, would work. In retrospect, I think he felt betrayed. Now, the youngest is 33 and lives in another state, and the eldest is taking his wife and children and moving from California to Nova Scotia (where his wife’s parents live), and my heart is breaking. The cycle is obvious. The house itself needs about $40,000 to update it and I keep going back and forth about what to do. Just little fixes and sell…but where do I go? Probably will have to invest, and be somewhat insecure about my future. I’m hoping the Universe will deliver an in-your-face answer. So far, its just anxiety and an acceptance that I’ll be doing a lot of flying soon. Loads of questioning my past choices that got me to this point, and it is a struggle to be positive in the present, but I’m managing, if anyone reading this is wondering if this transit is subject to coping. Anyway, here’s the kicker that led me on this investigative quest in the first place. My IC is at 19Sag07. When Saturn hit that point my 94 year old mother became ill and passed away (Saturn was opposing my 10th house Uranus & had just passed the IC). While the call from the hospital was unexpected, her passing was not a surprise to someone who has a lot of astrological background…coupled with the fact that she was 94. But, right now tr. Saturn in 4 has moved over my progressed Sun/Mars in the 4th and I have been diagnosed with osteoporosis. I did some research and discovered that 19 Sag (my IC) is associated with the left femoral neck – sort of the hip. I asked the doctor where the osteoporosis is, and he said the left femoral neck! So, tr. Saturn on my IC and moving through the 4th seems to represent the passing of my mother, the re-location of my son and grandchildren,and the disintegration of my inner skeletal structure, in addition to a renovation or moving of my home. I’m in the investigative stage right now about what to do about the osteoporosis. But, I have a feeling if I resolve the issue surrounding household renovation to meet my needs I’ll be able to successfully address the osteoporosis!Mainly I want a bigger dining area so I can entertain friends – I am a Libra after all and having a better place to accommodate friends will help me express my Sun in Libra and relieve some Saturn transiting the 4th sense of isolation.

    • Diana, many parallels between your experience and mine of Saturn transiting 4th. I have 25 Sagittarius on IC. I’m 68 and looking to sell the house I have lived in for 11 years in around 2 years time. I’d like to do it sooner, but for financial reasons I need to wait till 2020 or so. I’m debating on how much money to spend on updating and decorating before I put it on the market. in fact I have an estate agent coming to give me a valuation and advice in mid April which I hope might give me some guidelines on where any money would be best spent .

      Due to chronic illness I have been forced to spend far more time at home than I am comfortable with in the last few years (since transting Pluto entered the 4th in 2010/11. I feel strongly that a new location, in the centre of the market town where I lie, probably a retirement flat that will be easier for upkeep and maintenance and which will mean that I can easily walk to where I need to go and help relieve this sense of isolation.

      The last time Saturn transited my 4th I was forced to move back with my parents due to a strange, difficult to diagnose illness. It was resolved once Saturn moved into the 5th.

      I feel the resolution of my housing situation and the prospective house move are key to my getting handle on how best to move forward with the rest of my life.

      • Thanks for replying. Tr. Pluto in my 4th has been, to say the least, a revelation, forcing me to take off some rose colored glasses. I always knew what lurked beneath the surface of my family, but I didn’t believe it was really as bad as it turned out to be. It will be interesting, to say the least, when Saturn and Pluto and the sun meet on January 12, 2020 at 22Cap45 (in my 4th house but on the cusp of my 5th at 23Cap19). This is when you plan to sell your home so it should be a positive transition for you.

  55. Well, Saturn has been transiting my 4th house for almost 4 years now and there are 3 months left to go. It has been one of the most difficult periods in my life. Before it entered the 4th I wanted to finally move out of my parent’s flat and start my independent life at 30!, I am almost 34 now and I am still there. It feels as if I went through hell with hope to get to something better on the other side, but ended up up in the same place where it all started. I have no idea if I manage yo change something during these 3 months of the transit that are left, but what is really sad that I don’t feel I can and want to change the current situation. It’s not that I started to like it after all that turmoil it’s just that I got tired of all those struggles to change something as it feels like it is a never ending story.
    Don’t want to sound pessimistic, but have no idea what’s going on and what else I could do and what I want. Well, Neptune also started opposing my Sun recently, so I guess that contributes a lot as I have no idea who I am anymore and this affects nearly everything.

  56. I apologize ahead of time, I’m going to sound super negative but its pretty honest (I am not normally a negative person by the way). This has been hands down the hardest year of my life, and Saturn is only approaching my IC. He will be crossing for the first time end of January 2019. Pluto came through first 2014-2017. Plowed through my IC and totally destroyed the foundation of my life. In a nutshell: diagnosed with endometriosis, having difficulty conceiving, relationship of 11 years ultimately ended (not due to lack of love but differences in foundational desires and beliefs), in the process of foresclosure, moved 1200 miles to live with family and get on my feet financially. I feel homesick for my ex, his kids, our dog, and the life I had. My family is a blessing, however I still feel alone. Pluto is hanging out in my 4th house, I’m trying not to be afraid of Saturn coming next. I’m hoping Saturn will come through and help to build a new foundation and sense of “home”. I’m hopeful, as Jupiter will be coming through in 2020. Good things to come? I certainly hope so! But right now…. wow…. literally hanging in there and trying to find the light in all of this.

  57. 01.06.19 As I write, Saturn is crossing my IC (Capricorn 12’05)! As it is doing this it is squaring my sun, about to square my natal Saturn, moon and north node. I am 50, so it is the second time in my life. I felt the beginnings of the transit in spring of 2017 with some poignant dreams. The first involved me driving a plastic preschooler car to meet my parents for my mother’s birthday dinner, she decided to go to an expensive restaurant and I was expected to pay for it. I was chastised by my dad for not making more money to afford the dinner. I drove off, running away. In the escape, I lost my wallet (my ID -identity)! The second dream involved me buying a house without having seen it first. It was a rectangular house, you had to go through each room to get to the next, no hallway (no bypassing!). The bathroom had a circular queen sized porcelain tub (baptism anyone?) that was overflowing. Two men resembling Jesus and John the baptist were there (they were the previous tenants!–note, I am spiritual but not a Christian). Getting to the back of the house and out the back door I could see a hidden town! This was a town that no one in the area knew existed. It felt exciting!

    Anyway, these two dreams seem related to this transit. I am definitely working out resentment from the weight of a secret I held for my mother since I was 10, and being exhausted by how it has impinged upon me expressing the full spectrum of my emotions in my life. I have a graduate degree in transpersonal psychology, I am a hospice chaplain doing intense work, yet I feel that I am not living a Wholehearted life, as Brene Brown would say, and am struggling towards self-realization as Maslow would say. I live in a beautiful yet small 350 sq ft studio underneath my landlords who are nice but loud and it is too small, the ceiling too low. These phrases relate to the life I live, I am living too small a life, and with a ceiling (of accomplishment) too low. I have just started dating a person who I think may be able to love me (meaning I may be able to feel lovable), yet she lives in another city 2.5 hours away. I feel like I am on many cusps….of reclaiming my ‘treasure’ from living too small an emotional life, of starting my own private practice as a spiritual director (Saturn in 4th /Capricorn good for starting/building a business) , and perhaps moving to live near my g/f, possibly growing roots in a relationship that welcomes my whole self. It all feels very life or death to me. I feel depressed that I haven’t made enough from my life even though I am intelligent, have charisma and skill, and the transformation to change shells, like a hermit crab moving from one size to a larger shell, feels impossible, daunting, scary. The sense of pressure feels nothing short of epic. A book which has been helpful for this transit and all things Saturn is Erin Sullivan’s ‘Saturn In Transit’ where she addresses the heroic journey as lived through the transits. “It is at the base point of the horoscope, this dark place, that the treasure is guarded by the dragon. The treasure is that spark of individual destiny, the inner glow that provides one’s unique essence, and the heroic experience is the retrieval of that essence.”

    • Interesting, I admire how well you remember your dreams! For so long I desired a loving relationship. I got relationships that brought out my hidden blocks and hindrances for me to see and acknowledge. Now, I no longer hope to find love because I have it. Astrology nor planets make things happen in our lives. Release in many respect, has brought more moments of happiness and fulfilment in my life. I send you, and everyone who reads my comment, my warm regards, be well!

  58. “Keep in mind, once you’re on the bottom, you can only come up.”

    Or just not being able to come up and being forced to stay at that bottom.

  59. I had Saturn transit my nadir in 2014. I bought a home amd closed on the day the conjuction was exact. I am now selling because it is too large for me with my Mom passing this year and my kids moving on. Now I have Saturn hitting the fourth in my solar chart along with Pluto and the home I need to sell needs lots of work. I hope I can get everything fixed and sold SOON. Pluto and Saturn SCARE ME. I have read Pluto transiting the 4th can prevent sale of home. But I am hopeful that may only apply to the Natal chart 4th. Booooo I am afraid I am sunk. 😭

    • Where did you read that?? I mean, Pluto transiting 4th can really prevent to sell a home?? Oh I hope not. I´m gonna have that bitch for 20 years transiting … 🙁 I also have Saturn, but this one is faster, until 2021 will be there. I´m scared anyway. Too many things going on and all bad.

  60. Saturn is currently transiting my IC, beginning in March 2020. In the second week of March I suddenly lost all three of my jobs (due to CA shelter in place order) and coincidentally was asked to leave my rented cottage on the same day! Luckily I was already pretty downsized so I was able to pack up quickly. I ended up moving to my older sister’s place (moving home) in Oregon where I am now happily living in a tiny room amidst 7 members of my extended family. It’s a huge change, one which the whole world is going through right now, and I know how blessed I am to have had a safe, loving place to land. I’m currently laying low for a bit (the duration of the transit?) and am very curious about what the future holds…for all of us.

      • So pleased that you see the positives that come from Saturn crossing your IC. The Universe took care of you. My mother passed as Saturn entered my 4th house. Then I inherited from her. So, bad with the good. But,that’s how the universe works. Again, there is so much fear expressed in some posts. It hurts me to see that. And, your comment illustrated how,if you’re ready to listen to what the Universe is saying, you can see Saturn’s gifts. By the way,I have Pluto just finishing its 4th house transit. Can’t say its been a bag of goodies,a financial betrayal by a family member for one, but – good riddance and Truth – I can see the benefits with opened eyes & opened heart.

  61. Saturn is about to go back to my 4th from July-Dec but mostly over. It was the most challenging time of my life. My family had to go through almost breaking apart because of my husbands legal status. There was a lot of waiting, uncertainty, and frustration and paperwork. We have three kids and our family had ptsd through it all. He almost did not get to come back home and had to leave for months not knowing. I got so ear problems, some high blood pressure and drank a lot of wine. And then I decided what will be will be and stopped trying to control it. If all the worked out in the end!!!

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