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This is my grandmother’s chart (I don’t know her birth time, so I used noon). She died suddenly at age 39, so I never met her, but I was born on her birthday. What do you see in this chart? I’m just wondering what jumps out. I know very little about her other than a little bit about her family background and her marriage to my grandfather (it was bad).

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Is the chart based on her actual time of birth, or is that unknown?

I was born on my grandfather's birthday.  He also died suddenly, but at 60, hit by a car.  So this topic is especially interesting to me.

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@warped Unfortunately, I don’t have her birth time. I found her sister’s birth certificate online and wish hers were there, too.

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Your grandmother passed around 1956?

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@sun-mar Yes, 10/08/56.

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Mielle  --  OK, I will take a look tomorrow.  My eyes are getting tired.  Exact date of event is very helpful.

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@sun-mar Thank you!

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Mielle  --  OK, since I have no idea how old you are or what you have been told, there are a few BIG indicators that life was not very pleasant for her.  Right now, your grandmother would be 104 years old.  That is something to keep in mind because of the way women were generally treated back then.  For women born in 1917, the life expectancy was pegged at age 54.  Your grandmother had lived through WWI,  WWII, and the Korean conflict.  A somewhat difficult chart as Sun, Mercury and Mars were all bunched up together in Aries and making a very tight square to Pluto in Cancer  This same group of planets was also making a strong trine to Neptune in Leo.  To compound all this, her natal Jupiter in Taurus was making a tight square to that same Neptune in Leo.  While the chart shows the actual physical strength to be a WWII Rosie the Riveter,  once the war efforts were over, this type of behavior that women in the US became famous for, was seldom encouraged once the country returned to a "normal" level of peacefulness.  Your grandmother may have been under the "romantic energy" of helping the boys overseas and her country, while that is strongly indicated by that Jupiter Neptune trine.  Illusion, delusion and confusion on a grand scale. In times of peace, in the US, we tend to think of Leave It To Beaver, Donna Reed, My Three Sons and Happy Days  --  the old, tired standard jokes of women being barefoot, pregnant, and tied to the kitchen sink. The date of her death, transit Saturn and transit Pluto were in an exact square at the 29 degree mark of Scorpio and Leo respectively.  Uranus and the Sun were also in an exact trine.  Basically, she was on overload.  Illness?  Maybe.  Just beat down from life?  Could be.  Foul play?  Not likely.  Car or other transport accident?  Distinct possibility.  Female problems that simply were not addressed early on?  Sure.  There was a lot of that back in the 50's.

Something I found interesting  --  are you aware that you brought this to the board just as transit Jupiter  is / would be crossing your grandmother's natal Uranus?  

I did not address the Moon position since you had to use mid-day point of twelve noon.  This set a Moon at 6 degrees Gem.  Using a twelve hour span in either direction, the actual placement of the Moon could be way back into Cancer or much further along in Gem.  

Was your grandmother or her family part of the growing Mormon community in UT?  At first I thought Native American, then it dawned on me, if you have a copy of the birth certificate, because the Native Americans are generally very private by nature, and for a number of years a lot of conflict existed between the Mormon Church and The Ute's, if your family had some background connection.

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@sun-mar Thank you so much for all of this! My grandmother came from a prominent Mormon family but left the church to marry my grandfather. He was very abusive towards her and left her to marry his secretary (the woman I grew up with as my step-grandmother). She was on her own with three children ages 10, 7 & 3. One day, she walked out to get the mail and dropped dead in the driveway due to a heart condition she didn’t know she had. 

No one talked about her after her death. It was very traumatic for my aunt and father, who were the two older kids. I think her family looked down on her because she left the church and was divorced. I’m 52 and feel like there is something significant about being born on her birthday, especially since I was suppose to be born on my father’s birthday a month later.

 

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Back then, divorce was considered a form of failure and the women that did divorce, for the most part were alienated.  Walking away from strong religious ties, also another no-no.  As for something significant, it can take a long time, but if you pull apart the charts, and like Legos, start putting them back together, you can usually find a number of clues.  Maybe one day, you will come across the time of birth, that way you can include the moon.  The Moon, representing females / mother, could be a big factor.  Maybe being born early, on her birthday, was a way for her to reconnect with your father.

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@sun-mar That’s a very interesting theory! I really wish I knew her birth time. I have a Cancer Moon, and if she did, too, it would be an even closer tie to me. I have several pictures of her; she was very pretty, but her eyes were sad. Strangely enough, I look much more like my step-grandmother.

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Just for fun, here is our synastry chart.

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