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This is such a great story. 

I was contacted by this young man a number of years ago. 2007? He was 19 years old.

He told me he was super fucked up and he wanted me to help him. "I need help and you are going to help me." He also told me to put him in my phone as, "kid who needs a lot of help."

Well, I started to help him. I tried to help him. I talked to this son of a bitch so much, you just wouldn't believe it. "When are you going to quit lying?" I'd ask. He's a Gem with a Sadge moon. "Quit lying to these women. Are you ever going to stop?"

He had really high-flying goals. His chart showed them to be achievable... but boy, when I started working with this kid, he was fully capable of texting a woman he was dating, 100 times in an hour, while she was at work as a preschool teacher. And he broke into her email!

Anyway, I talked to this bastard 'till my ear nearly fell off. I talked to him so much, my son, who was in the house was fully aware of his struggles. It was comical. HE was comical. I would tell him, my son thinks you're a fuckin' idiot. He would agree!  So this was a project...

Now he's an Indian. And when I had him acting more appropriately, I even posted for him - he was looking for a wife. He wanted to marry, have a family and such. This was after I got him to quit lying all the time. He went to some of the time and then to not that often. That did not work out but he did eventually meet a woman who could handle him... they had a long distance thing, dealt with the families and married. By that point, I only heard from him periodically.

I heard from him about eight months ago - they were trying to have a baby and could not. Lots of angst. I was pretty sure this would work out for him. He believes I am never wrong so this calmed him.  He contacted me today to tell me his son was born last night, under the new moon but also the Hindu holiday, Diwali. 

Is this not a great story?

It's the story of a man with a vision and a number of impediments (he has to cope with all kinds of mental chaos), who hired an ass-kicker who was willing to kick his own ass and put in a protracted effort in order to straighten himself out so he could achieve his goals.

I am happy and proud, of course. But this man was so present in our house, ten years ago, I had to text my son this news! I mean, this guy is just one epic son-of-a-bitch.  He tried to get me to come to NY once and get drunk with him.

Anyway, I am happy. I am now going to tell my husband about this. We all know this guy, see?  I hope this inspires someone. Never give up.

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See- This is what I’m talking about! I love you Elsa and I love Astrology!

Thanks for the inspiration! This makes me want to see his chart lol- 

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I just got off the phone with him. Baby is a preemie so of course they're scared. I told him, no worries. Worth it to be born early to get this chart!

He's literally gotten everything he ever wanted. He told me I was a big part of it. I almost cried. This is like my other son, sort of.

He's got Pluto in Scorpio / 4th. His son's sun and moon are conjunct his Pluto.

Baby is Gem rising (his sun) with Venus in Gemini (his moon).

The dad is a Leo rising... early degrees so Pluto transit, soon. I think they will have some more kids. He's over the moon.

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wow

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@vdn yeah, it's super cool.

Talking to my husband about this last night, he mentioned that this man was NUTS but he always had a good heart. He aspired to be a good man, which was easy for his brother to do but not easy for him.

His brother supported him. He's got a great family - he's his mom's favorite but he knew he was an imposter! Seriously.  He greatly respected his father and his older brother and just simply had challenges, I don't think they had to deal with. Being a little crazy!  All mental stuff.

Anyway, a person can be young and have these kinds of problems. If they apply themselves, they can resolve them - they can do something, for sure.

I made him apologize to a girl he'd ghosted. Not "made him" but just explained... he always wanted to be a good man.

"Would a good man do something like that?  Did she do anything at all to deserve it?"

"No and no."

"Then you must apologize. You can't leave her feeling she did something wrong - there is something wrong with here."

"I don't really want to do this."

"I don't care. It's supposed to suck! If it's particularly horrible, you'll be sure to never do this again."

See, he did these kind of exercises and he learned to quit over-promising, lying, gaming... all the negative manifestations in his chart. He reeled them in one at a time.

Very smart man and interested. He's Indian to the bone but educated at a Catholic University (and Sadge) so we had this commonality.

In fact, before he had to go do something like this, he specifically would ask me to pray for him and I would do it!

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@elsa That's nice. 

I am Indian to the bone as well but went to Catholic School for 12 years. Haha. Cannot ignore the coincidence. 

Thank you for sharing.

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@vdn you're welcome. I like working with Indians. It comes in handy since I'm an astrologer!

I tried to learn Vedic astrology and had an Indian astrologer who tried mightily to help me. I invested heavily in the software ($750, twenty-five years ago) and a number of books but I could never get it to gel!

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@elsa That is cool. Probably that's why I landed on your page. Your energy is welcoming of Indians. And also the fact that our ASC is right about at the same place. 

About Vedic and other astrology: I tried learning it too. 

But the fact that astrologers do not agree with each other on the various systems.. (whole, placidus, tropical etc) was a huge turn-off for me. When we cut open a body we only see what we see and not different versions based on who is seeing. 

Recently, my parents went behind my back a got a vedic chart made for me (for arranged marriage stuff) with a modified time...  which moved my ASC miles away from where it is. ... when I confronted my parents they told me the astrologer made some sort of progressed chart for me and sold it as a natal... and now that is being circulated for marriage proposals... thank God I know about it! 

I like interacting with you and reading your blogs. 

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I have an honest doubt here. When you support someone to this extent, do they compensate you financially or do you do it out of goodwill?

And when you get deeply involved in your client's life, how do you maintain your own space?

And do you do with every client of yours? Or do you tend to adopt a few into your inner circle?

And when you know so much about their life, is their reciprocity? Do they also know everything about your life?

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@vdn good questions. He paid. He paid for every minute I spent on the phone with him.

Occasionally, I client who treats me more as a therapist. There are no free sessions but a relationship does develop.

I don't know how this man found me. No clue. He literally contacted me exactly as I described. He selected me using some criteria or he had a feeling or something.

He occasionally hired other people... psychics, for example. He would just mention this.

He was never in my inner circle... it's just that I would talk on the phone, in small house back them. I would sometimes take 10 calls a day from him. My hands throbbed, holding the phone. So I would say to my son, "XXXXX is calling again..."

I do have a one client in my inner circle who hired me 22 years ago!  Ten years after the fact, we became friends. Other than that, no.

Now I do have certain patterns with some clients... these are people who I have worked with for years. We have fallen into specialized situations we're both comfortable with. This does not include discounting my rate. I am worth the money, period. But some people like to pay a sum and have me track the time and let them know when I need more $. I do this for regulars.

I don't sell 10 min consults but if you're a regular and want to talk to me for 10 minutes / random times, I accommodate this. I am talking about years long relationships.

As for what they know about me - most of them don't care to know anything about me, unless they have Gemini.  If they have Gemini, they may ask me something from time to time and if so, I answer honestly.

This man knew I was catholic, knew I was married, knew I took marriage seriously, knew I had some awareness of Indian culture and so it was a fit. 

He also had his own way of paying which pissed me off to no end.

Specially, he would make these short calls, ten times in a day. I am not into micro-billing so I would just keep a running total, which he would clear, pretty frequently. But after a flurry of calls, over a period of days, he would stop contacting me for some period of time... weeks or as he improved, months. Invariably he stuck me with the final bill, which may be $5-600. I was pissed because I told him to knock it off.

But then he would surface and want to talk. At that point, he would pay is bill in full and we'd start back up.

Anyway, I am adaptable, as I've said many times. And I am fair and I am honest. So if another person is wanting something reasonable, I will try to accommodate them. 

In the end, this man grew up. He needed me much less after he met his fiancé which was when he was about 27 year old, heading into his Saturn return. His breezed through that time in his life. by the way. This is likely, if you're around me when you're young. I'm all about do-the-right-thing so you're equipped with instructions and an example.

So this was a business deal but this man really had to reach deep inside himself to become the man he wanted to be - it was and is emotional for both of us. I am his auxiliary mother. His own mother could or would never see a flaw in him - this is sweet, he didn't want her to have to!

Seriously, he wanted to become half the man she thought he was before she found out he was something other... I think he's done it.

As for the money, I was paid in full. He always told me he would never stiff me... that I had helped him so much, he could think of nothing worse he could possibly do.

I asked him why he always left me with an outstanding bill. "I don't know. I'll try to stop."

So it was like everything else in his life.
He had to learn not to hack his gf's mail, not to lie, etc.

He was successful.

 

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@elsa Thank you for the reply, Elsa. 

I am glad it was a successful relationship for you both. 

I was just curious because I was distanced by more than one astrologer/psychic/healer. One even refunded me the money and told me to find help elsewhere. So... yeah... was just curious. I have always heard of these long relationships between astrologers and clients... and I am like people chuck me out even if I am willing to pay. 

Now, I am so bitten that I do not even think about hiring readers. I only have a healer for now.

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@vdn I'm sorry you've had bad experiences. 🙁

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@elsa Thanks for the empathy. But these were some really good people. That is why I did not expect them to behave the way they did. But something about me rubbed them in the wrong way. Maybe my advanced degree in mainstream science or maybe me depending on them (I thought I pay them for that) or maybe that I challenged them by asking difficult Qs. Not sure.

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'Has chart on file' Inlove  

One year ago: Soup! Don't sell your soul! 

Heard it. Let those words burn straight into my brain. One year later the source shows itself. Immediate brain response... Soup, don't sell your soul. 

SAVED.... as usual 

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@soup good decision!

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@elsa I heard you, and I remembered what I was told to do. There has been a lot of pain, and there still is. But, you were clear. And, this was a year ago. You knew exactly what transit was coming for me. 

I want people to understand that you are on duty. I did not call you for this specific information. You just knew the backstory, what I was going through, and offered it up one day a year ago on the forum when I was talking about 'stuff' .... 

It was profound. And, I heard you. I thank God for that sentence. Otherwise, with all that has been thrown at me. The obstacles and heartbreak (Pluto on the DSC) I may have been lured into an unrepairable nightmare. I was tested. My faith was all but gone. Faith in the very people my foundation stands on. The people closest to me. 

Today, I have no doubt in these people. Not only are they there (Pluto took the ones that were not supposed to be there) but they are there in the most solid, and loving way. I did not see it then. Why? I was being tested. All my true relationships were being tested. Of course I did not see it coming even though I am very well versed on the transit. Not only Pluto on the DSC (which does NOT get enough press if you ask me) But, Uranus conjunct my Taurus moon. 

As my life was quickly changing, all I could see was a rug being pulled out from under me. I may have looked for comfort elsewhere as I was being not only tempted but almost forced with persuasion. 

You were clear. You nearly shouted me off the forum. You said... that is a DEMON. Turn away NOW. Literally scared the shit out of me. And, I thought... huh? Come on. Thing is. It was. See, the Devil doesn't show up like shit. Devil shows up as something shiny. You have to know the difference. And, sometimes you cannot see this for yourself no matter how well prepared you think you are. And, it brings a lot of pain. Like, oh... I turned away from the shiny thing and it hurts me. But, see, the shiny thing would have destroyed you. But, you don't know it at the time. 

So, when someone comes in and slaps you across the face with the damn truth a year before you have any idea of what they are talking about. LISTEN. 

Pluto. Damn. I live in Pluto. I live in the moon. But, the thing about Pluto is.... it will dig down to your soul to make you right. And, this will continue until you understand. 

Uranus... so different. I am learning. Bolts of lightning and change. Flashes of genius. Handing you the tools you already have and saying... here is the way. Use your damn talents and MOVE now damn it. I will clear the path... not get your ass up and move. 

Neptune... I just can't with Neptune. But, I am learning. What a liar though. haha 

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