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Merc91
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I know that open enemies are 7th house topic and hidden ones of 12th house but i want to discuss something more regarding this topic.

I have loaded 8th house lets get that out of the way right away. Three personal planets.

I have read that people with such natal including mine get betrayed and backstabbed a lot by close people they trust.

Is this really a common thing for such natus? It's really frustrating to go through these experiences, it can definitely wear you out over time.

How do you prevent this? Is it even possible in first place? And why does it have to happen to us? Is it really karmic thing or what?

I would like to hear some of your experiences if you have planets in 8th house regarding this theme. 

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I wish I could give advice. I am just learning astrology. I am just understanding the houses and transits. 
I would think - that each house would have enemies. Each house is incredibly in-twined with our identity and who we are and our imprint on our childhoods, siblings, jobs, professionalisms, hobbies, pets, parents, doesn’t every chart signify the chapters and ever changing events we are as a human? 

I have backstabbing experiences from a sibling that was incredibly non justified and was very evil and painful. Sibling did to mother also. So - is this necessary an enemy or people just being messed up with issues? 
I certainly have experienced my 12th house energies and enemies as I have my Moon-Saturn-Jupiter & Chiron is there. Unfortunately I believe I can be my very own worst enemy. 
I will follow as this is an interesting question- Wishing you the best! 

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I really started to wonder if there is something to it. My 12th house cusp is Sag and his ruler is in my 8th house in sign of Virgo. My Jupiter is well aspected no squares or anything.

Wondering because it just keeps repeating throughout the life. I meet person and everything is well and nice then i find out they have been doing me behind my back.

I was reflecting on how i approach to people and even though i am Capricorn rising and as soon as people get to see my compassionate side they change opinion, BUT despite that the outcome is always the same.

I gave my best to people i cared about the most in life and i got cold blooded backstab in the end.

Moral of the story and my reality as it seems is that the better i am towards people the worse it gets in the end. Always ending up with short stick. Oh well.

 

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@merc91

You totally lost me in the first paragraph. I’ve not learned cusps or squares. 
But i can really relate to the other paragraphs. Personally. 
With that said- my DH is very kind and good to people- very compassionate and he NEVER receives the hurt and pain I do. If he does - he shrugs it off. We can be in traffic and someone shoots him a bird and he laughs it off. A past employer owes him over 10 grande - he just waits and says oh well- if I get if I get it. The employer moved away. We won’t ever get it. I dwell on it. He don’t. 

Post your chart and maybe between the 2 of us we can discuss it. My husband is mostly fire. I’m mostly water. I am thinking this is why I worry and hurt and feel sensitive and rejected. If you feel comfortable! I’m really sick of looking at my chart LOL 

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@merc91

I have been looking at your chart.

You may draw attack because other people (with THEIR own negative issues) deem -you nice looking, lucky, popular, confident....and I’m not sure about Mercury. 

I also think people who are kind and compassionate and giving can and DO get stabbed in the back. They find those people weak and fragile. They are jealous and see you as powerful and beautiful and they are jealous. I did a lot of de-toxing. 
People can be mean as hell. 
People can be genuinely genuinely kind and good. Redbird 

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Sure here it is. I know you were mentioning family circle and thank god i have no problem with family members (well except for my father) which is completely different story. Anyway since my Saturn return this year which was devastating period i have been paying attention on whole (excuse me for language) shit fest that happened.

Listen i am just a imperfect human being like everyone else and i do make mistakes as well but there is no way in hell i deserved to be backstabbed time and time again in life.

Oh and by Sag cusp i meant that my 12th house starts in Sag.

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@merc91

This is one of the charts I have to go back and for with my notes. I haven’t memorized all the symbols. So I’ll be a while. Is this your first or second Saturn Return? I’m heading into my second. 
I will take some time and do my best to see what I can see. Sadly, you found someone who doesn’t know what she is doing. But- I do love to help people who are hurting. So bear  with me and give me some time ok. -:)

I’ll be back -I promise. 
if you can read charts I’ll post mine- and maybe it will get some pain off your mind and you can give me some pointers - if not it’s ok. 

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@redbird Erm i am not an expert in reading charts by any means. I would like to help you if you have some concerns but unfortunately i am not of big use when it comes to reading charts.

This is my first Saturn return. I have one more return in December i believe when Saturn enters Aquarius directly.

Thanks for your effort and time i appreciate it Redbird. I really do want to find out deeper layers of informations, mostly concerning "hidden enemies" topic because when i find out it is already too late.

At this point i really had enough. Back in mid May i was so insidiously wounded by close ones. It took me a while to heal and similar scenario happened again recently.

I will be ok. This is not the first time i'm dealing with such thing and sadly i'm kind of used to it, unfortunately.

I have met some new people in last 2 months and doing well since summer's turmoil i had. General state in my life has started to grow in good direction despite whole worldwide mess that this pandemic caused.

 

 

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@merc91

luckily, I’ve been very fortunate to get several consultations with Elsa and with Midara. Has helped me tremendously. Calmed my nerves and given me hope and given me a drive to really study astrology- I can really relate to you. Please keep doing self care and love yourself and stay here at this board. It’s a well of wisdom and tremendous support. 
It will be a day or two. Don’t expect much. I am in kindergarten with astrology. Literally learning my a,b,c’s........ but I’d like to help some! 

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I have a packed 8th. I written a lot about it. You're sure to find some meat here - Tag - 8th House

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@elsa

and of course..... as always - Elsa to the rescue. 

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I dont have a packed 8th house but I do have a stellium in scorpio in the 12th. I have experienced a lot of betrayal over the years. It has been by family and friends that I thought loved me.

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@opalina that rings a bell. Does betrayal include being the scapegoat? Sorry to hear you carry that weight and hope you have peace of mind ❤️

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