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Elsa
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I feel out of place in astrology, more and more as years pass. It's because I read astrologer's ponderings or pronouncements... not a lot but a little.  I just come across these things and they bother me.

Case in point I was just reading about Mars Uranus = enmeshment. 

Hey, I'm sorry but Uranus is anything by enmeshed. And of course people are learning this stuff, maleducation onto of maleducation.

A lot of the astrologers, maybe even most of them, write better than I do. Proper grammar or whatever.  They sound correct and credible but to me it's like putting dirt in ice cream - wrong?

It's not as if I want to control astrology or I think I am perfect or something like that. It just pains me. I truly think that astrology is being destroyed, purposely.  

It's really just a drop in the sea of many other things that are also being intentionally destroyed.  It's like the ptb really don't want anyone figuring anything out, ever.  And as far as I can see, the ptb will have their way.

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@elsa yep. unfortunate

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@elsa,

Astrology has been around for a long time, and though its considered off the beaten path, its a valuable help tool in life. I don't know what site said Mars Uranus = enmeshment, but that's laughable. They don't matter, really.

I think you should keep doing what you're doing because you're so good at it. You're a great storyteller in many of your posts. Anyway, don't give up.

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@jofrance thank you!  It's just a weird thing watch. 

 

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@elsa I was just told I am completely wrong. I learned wrong. I should be following Vedic astrology and I am a Libra Stellium. I am not a Scorpio. I am a Libra stellium with an Aries moon. I just sat still for a moment. 😵 

Nothing about me says Libra. Nothing. That would mean I am air. LOL Now, after 10 years here, does anything about me scream Libra Stellium?  

I cannot actually see myself. And I know others project on to us... but does anything about me scream Libra Stellium? 

So, I am not a Scorpio Stellium with a Taurus moon? 

  

  

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@soup No. I mean, you partner readily. But outside of that, no. And Scorpio is not a loner.  7-9th house is into other people. Scorpio needs a source / to exchange energy.

I did study Vedic astrology for three years. I invested! I bought the software - $750 at the time. I bought the books - expensive! I even had an Indian guru helping me.  

I really wanted to make it come together. There is a Western / Vedic astrologer out there - James Braha. His two western astrology books are KICK ASS.  He's since quit astrology.

Anyway, I wanted to do hard core predicting which the Vedic system promises. Maybe some can do it. I cannot. I just could not get it to gel.

I can't emphasize this enough - I TRIED!

One of the problems is I am an American and strongly aligned with "free will". Vedic astrology is fatalistic. The culture is different.  You have your caste. We have a lot more freedom.

Another clash is they do not use outer planets. In my mind, Pluto / Plutonium is real. Something small that packs a punch. Or Uranus, speed of light, not donkey. I don't know. I just could not get it to work.

I did use a Vedic astrologer to choose my wedding date and he was successful - got me what I wanted, a hard core marriage.  So I'm not dissing it. But what I know of you...  looks of death and tragedy, bill collecting - this is not Venus stuff!  People are also afraid of you... afraid of Venus?

And then there is the depth of feeling about you. It exists.  And just the rage and intensity. These are not Venusian things!

You're balls to the wall. I remember when you ripped the implants out of your chest. Does that sound like Venus or Mars/Pluto.

There is an edge about you always.  The fierce loyalty and all or nothing deal with your family / 4th.  

You do have Venus but it's Taurus. You are a stubborn mf'er. Like you would not marry your husband for all those years.  You're not exactly people-pleasing!

Even having to move.  It was gut wrenching.  Scorpio not Libra in my mind.

It's a confusing thing because you do have the Taurus which you don't mention that much. You swing back and forth on the opposition - but this is not Libra indecisiveness. For you the choice is peace or war.  There is also a lot of seething and roiling around which is different than Libra's incessant weighing of things.

Libra can't decide and is often consumed with being seen as "nice".  It's not that you're never nice... but your reason to be nice is not VENEER. It's not from your head either.  It's soul deep.

For the record, I have considered my own chart in the Vedic system, deeply, over time.  How could I study, otherwise? It's a better situation, actually, so of course I wanted it to work but it just didn't.

Since we're talking about this and since it's come up repeatedly, recently, I do not like the Western interpretation of the nodes. I think the Vedic astrologer's view of Rahu and Keto is far more developed and better understood.  There's no commonality between their interpretation and ours (with the planets there is). This is why I don't emphasize them. I know what they are supposed to signify, I'm just suspicious.

You really have to filter your astrology... it's always been this way but it's getting worse. I'm to a point, I don't say anything that I don't know, firsthand, by experience. I'm not saying other things don't work. I'm just going to use what I know works for sure... and if anything else comes up, I will tell a person if the quality of information might be lacking.

With all this said, if you want to try it out, I'll play along.  4th house Libra?  Do you have a beautiful home and I mean that BEAUTY is the first impression?

Also, Vedic astrologers use whole signs so this would change your houses. You really shouldn't mix the disciplines from what I understand.

James Braha has a number of books.  His Transits of the West, dashas of the East is the best transit book on the market - yes, I know Rob Hand wrote the bible on this.

Also, his book on aspects - How To Be A Great Astrologer - is EXCELLENT.

He's very smart and likeable, so if you want to consider crossing over, that's where I would start.

 

Good luck!

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@elsa My home is a cave LOL and closed to the public... 

Other than that.....YOU KNOW! 

I have never been seen more clearly than I have been here. Never met in person. Knows my soul. All of it. The good the bad the ugly ... all the damn Scorpio/Taurus parts ....

And never made to feel ashamed of it. 

I did rip those from my chest. Didn't give a rat's ass I looked like after. Venus would have cared. I still don't. I want to be alive. They tried to kill me. I killed them. Taking the scars with me to warn others. Look at this mess. This will kill you. So, don't.  

Thank you for accepting me for who I am. I couldn't change it, so the acceptance means everything. 

 

 

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@soup love you and your individual nature!!

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@elsa I love you too Elsa!!!!!!

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Also, I see the nodes now have genders?

LOL.

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@elsa My nodes definitely have genders Lol>?

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I mean mine are in very gender specific signs (Aries and Libra) so they must have genders... but are you saying that nodes are genderless in Astrology?

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@cocopeaches I don't know. Its outside my area of interest. I was just laughing at the unmitigated crap out there.

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@elsa Gotcha. I don't pay much attention to my node since you don't ever mention the nodes. Mine is sandwiched between my midheaven and Jupiter in Aries, so I figure it's getting some action. Sometimes my nodes help me decide to be more of a leader and less of a people pleaser. Take the leap. That sort of thing.

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It's almost like astrology is being altered.

It also makes me think of my husband. Some of his battles are written of, etc. What they tell you happened is not what happened. 

Time passes. The people who could tell you what is right or correct, or people who were there, die.

And this is just the way it goes. If you're in my position, there's not much to do but let go.

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My fb account is "restricted". I never post anything there but links to blog posts, just for the convenience of people who frequent the site. I have no idea what I did... if says "click for info" but there is no info.

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@elsa 

Weird stuff at FB today.  Dates no longer show on posts older than a few days.  Ex.: scroll down a page of someone who rarely posts.  No date visible on any, though they were always shown in past.  Only by clicking the comments can you see those were posted "3yr," "48wks," "7yr" or whatever ago.

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@warped hmmm

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@elsa “I'm to a point, I don't say anything that I don't know, firsthand, by experience.”

this is all you need in the whole world. 

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@elsa nice one. Smile

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@la_sirena thanks. This Mars Saturn square is beating people up at the moment but there are ways to use it. Personally, I've got my head down and I'm getting it done!

In this case, it means veggies to the neighbor, deliver a bunch of pears to a family in a nearby town, bake pear bread, myself, then prepare a place where I can plant (perennial) garlic, start some more sauce to can, make dinner, and on and on.  It just seems what can be done at this time... I'm making a responsible effort, anyway.

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@elsa ❤️

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