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I don't get it. What's the spiritual point of having a mental illness? Of being severely mentally ill?

Is it to learn that I'll lose friends who are scared that I'll physically harm them? Is it to learn that there are judgmental pricks in this world? Is it to learn that I don't have to do it all alone? That I sometimes need help? Is it to be used by the universe as a hamster, or an experiment, for modern day scientists? Is it for me, myself, to learn to be less judgmental? Is it so that I can learn what it feels like to be cursed? It's all so pointless.

:.Sigh:. I'm just venting. Today sucked. Thanks for listening, and/or, reading. This will probably be my last thread for months. I'm busy the next four months, or so.

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There doesn't have to be a lesson, sometimes shit happens. Not trying to make light of it. Sometimes the wind blows a tree over on your house, it's nothing personal. It is what you want to make of it just like having arthritis. I don't want it, sometimes it hurts like a son-of-a-bitch but I'm pretty stubborn (Mars in Taurus) so I try to out do it. I could feel sorry for myself and sit around eating Ben & Jerry's cheesecake brownie ice cream (Yum!) and get fatter which would make me hurt more.

I have diagnosed PTSD but it doesn't have me. I have learned a lot of stuff about various things trying to cope with it. My latest thing is a probiotic which has made a MASSIVE difference. I ain't going down, meaning I'm not going to kill myself. I confess that I probably crawled around on the bottom there for awhile with Pluto in Sadge but I'm still here and Pluto got demoted! hahaha I guess you would have to have had a bad Pluto transit to think that's funny.

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There doesn't have to be a lesson, sometimes shit happens. Not trying to make light of it. Sometimes the wind blows a tree over on your house, it's nothing personal. It is what you want to make of it just like having arthritis. I don't want it, sometimes it hurts like a son-of-a-bitch but I'm pretty stubborn (Mars in Taurus) so I try to out do it. I could feel sorry for myself and sit around eating Ben & Jerry's cheesecake brownie ice cream (Yum!) and get fatter which would make me hurt more.

I have diagnosed PTSD but it doesn't have me. I have learned a lot of stuff about various things trying to cope with it. My latest thing is a probiotic which has made a MASSIVE difference. I ain't going down, meaning I'm not going to kill myself. I confess that I probably crawled around on the bottom there for awhile with Pluto in Sadge but I'm still here and Pluto got demoted! hahaha I guess you would have to have had a bad Pluto transit to think that's funny.  

Mental health things can make a person, like me, whiny. I dislike it, a lot, being whiny. But then I have to forgive myself because I can't help it completely. I also have to remove myself from a situation, because I don't want to cause trouble! For me, mental health has taught me many stuff, like feelings (LOL). I'm a Cappy Moon with a Venus in Aquarius, I guess I'm learning to feel, haha. But yeah, sometimes crap happens.

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Tam.....I am very curious about the probiotic, you have mentioned that helped your PTSD, I have it too. Would you willing to share, which brand it is? 

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Tam.....I am very curious about the probiotic, you have mentioned that helped your PTSD, I have it too. Would you willing to share, which brand it is?   

I have tried different ones but hyperbiotics PRO-15 is the one that really helped me. I take it in the evening because the first week or so it gave me gas, bad bugs dying I guess. I bought the first bottle from Amazon, one bottle lasts two months, and the second one from Target because I didn't want the bottle sitting in a hot mailbox all day. It has also reduced road rage. 

http://www.militarytimes.com/a.....ss-in-mice

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Emotional Freedom Technique has been proven effective for PTSD and is very cheap, just google a practitioner in your area.

https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/sage/the-treatment-of-combat-trauma-in-veterans-using-eft-emotional-freedom-NkHiVVOuN6

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PTSD can definitely affect one's mental health. My guess is that there's a spectrum, in a sense? 

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Some people have it worse than others. I think it matters what gave you the PTSD in the first place. Some people need therapy dogs. There is one store that I won't go in by myself which is ridiculous but I saw my stalker in the parking lot once probably 8 years ago so I won't go there. I was so bad I would sit in a hot car terrified of cracking the window more than an 1 inch. It affects everything. I have almost punched the cleaning people more than once at work because they step out of a cleaning closet suddenly in front of me. Poor cleaning people! 

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Thank you Tam for sharing about the probiotic, I have not tried that one.

I am glad it has helped you!

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I don't get it. What's the spiritual point of having a mental illness? Of being severely mentally ill?

Is it to learn that I'll lose friends who are scared that I'll physically harm them? Is it to learn that there are judgmental pricks in this world? Is it to learn that I don't have to do it all alone? That I sometimes need help? Is it to be used by the universe as a hamster, or an experiment, for modern day scientists? Is it for me, myself, to learn to be less judgmental? Is it so that I can learn what it feels like to be cursed? It's all so pointless.

:.Sigh:. I'm just venting. Today sucked. Thanks for listening, and/or, reading. This will probably be my last thread for months. I'm busy the next four months, or so.  

Regarding the help part, I think it's important that we allow traditional Medicine to help us. Psychology alone and other alternative treatments can be complementary, but they're not enough. We need help from chemicals AND the will to get better. That's how I overcame my depression. At the beginning I tried to do everything by myself, hoping to get cured through meditation, yoga, spirituality, emotional therapy, bach flowers... I tried everything. I was afraid of going to a psychiatrist and being medicated, I didn't want to be dependent. But then I realized that before Medicine developed, a lot more people died during childhood, etc; and mentally ill people maybe didn't die but had trouble functioning. So if depending on some sort of medication is the price to pay to be alive and functioning in life, I think it's totally fair. 

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I think it's whatever you want it to be. We get to label things. That's the power we were given in this domain. God doesn't see anything as good or bad. Only trying to experience itself through us. We are the ones who have judgements about things or ever think things should be different. We even get to label god in whatever terms we want; benevolent, malicious, whatever. 

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I think it's whatever you want it to be. We get to label things. That's the power we were given in this domain. God doesn't see anything as good or bad. Only trying to experience itself through us. We are the ones who have judgements about things or ever think things should be different. We even get to label god in whatever terms we want; benevolent, malicious, whatever.   

I don't know about 'good' and 'bad', but perhaps pleasure and pain? laugh

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There might not be a reason, but it is what you make of it. It's what you believe. If you think there's a meaning behind it, there is one. If you don't think there is a meaning, there might not. Even if you don't, sometimes a meaning becomes apparent over time, but this meaning is ultimately interpreted by you.

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I haven't made the connection until today. I have North Node in Cancer. I'm not comfortable with feelings, air chart and all.

It's my life lesson to learn to feel. Time for me to delve into the waters of 'feeling' Cancer and get myself wet. But my South Node in Capricorn resists sometimes.

Maybe my SN in Cappy needs to be less harsh and realize that not everyone is the same.

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I see it as a way of one's body communicating disbalance depression=lack of support, anxiety=feeling under attack, PTSD= some form of abuse- mental, verbal, emotional etc. 

I see mental health diagnosis as a description of the current disbalanced state rather than absolute label. There are varied causes and treatments. As for PTSD, the EMDR is the super effective. 

I think helps shift focus on what is not working and sometimes forcing one to deal whatever it needs to be dealt with. 

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