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I've been thinking about "atonement" today. It's not something you hear a lot about anymore, but interesting just the same.

The concept of selling your soul for fame is in news big time these days. If you've managed to somehow miss this somehow, here's a link. The top answer is concise.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-you-can-sell-your-soul-to-the-devil-in-exchange-for-fame-or-a-singing-career

Here's a sample of it... chopped up:

Here are a few examples before we delve deeper into this topic:

  • Kanye West: "I sold my soul to the devil, I know it's a crappy deal/ at least it came with a few toys like a happy meal/"
  • Eminem: "I sold my soul to the devil, I'll never get it back/ I just wanna leave this game with level head intact/" (Eminem also goes by the name "rain man" now, which is an especially powerful demonic entity, and even has a song about it, titled "rain man".)
  • Bob Dylan stated that the reason he still performs music is because he “made a bargain a long time ago,” and he’s “holding up his end”. When pressed into explaining who he made this bargain with, he responds “With the chief commander… On this earth and a world we can’t see.”
  • Katy Perry...

 

So I've been thinking about this.  If you're familiar with Issac Kappy, I wonder if he was trying to atone for what he'd done.

12 step programs expect you "make amends". "Atonement" has a heavier feel to it.  Another word comes to mind, "penance".  You can decide how to differentiate between these things.  I'm working with the concept of "atonement" because it's what came to mind when thinking about, Kappy.

As the story goes, if you sell your soul to the devil, you can't get back. Is this true? Because God is forgiving, as far as I know/

I'm mulling these things because I feel it's possible that there are people with bad histories who wish to atone for what they've done. I personally hope there is a road back. And I wonder if some of what we're seeing in the news is people trying to make things right, not because of they're crushed or forced or good vs evil. Maybe they have done evil things and wish to do what they can to atone for them... like Kappy?

These are just things I wonder, tonight.

Have you ever wished to atone for something you've done? Have you ever tried?

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There's a famous American short story about this; I remember reading it in high school. Variant on Goethe's Faust.

http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0602901h.html

Selling your soul to the devil for some sort of earthly reward has definitely been a theme (all the Faust variants) in the arts. Did you ever see that 80s movie Crossroads?

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@jilly I've seen that movie. My husband showed it to me a dozen years ago. It's quite good.

 

This is another thing that has crossed my mind. I was told (as a teenager) by some old WW2 soldiers, to never sell my soul to the devil. I'm glad they talked to me about this. I heard them!

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I feel like this is a Libra principle. I try to do the right thing, and if I’ve done the wrong thing out of ignorance, then I do try to make it right. 

As far as deals with devil. They are easy to break, you just have to be willing to give up the benefits. Those people in that list (or the ones that do that kind of thing) are only enslaved by their own greed. I’m thinking of the devil card on the Smith/Waite tarot. The people can undo their shackles any time. Freewill reigns in this universe. 

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As far as deals with devil. They are easy to break, you just have to be willing to give up the benefits.

In my mind that falls far short of atoning for what you done... perpetrated on others.

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@elsa It’s the first step, not the last for sure. Good works are required, the debt must be paid to the best of one’s ability, even if that’s actually impossible or takes a lifetime. 

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Selling your soul to the Devil is a permanent stain, IMO.  There can be redemption through a lifetime of repentance and atonement, but few can attain that or are allowed to.

I know who Kappy is and that he tried to do the right thing before his death.  I don't know if that was enough to release his soul.

 

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@jofrance I wouldn't think he got right either but I was thinking about him because their are so many people involved in so much deception. And I'm not talking about the same things, Kappy, spoke of. I'm in another area. But what gets me is how no one comes forward. In all this time, all these crimes and/or deceptions. 

I'm not talking about plea deals or death bed confessions or anything coerced. I'm talking about person who is propelled to attempt to atone in whatever way. Maybe it would be feeble, but it doesn't happen. So, Kappy, is distinguished here. Public confession of sorts. So that's one point.

My other point is that it's occurred to me that some people who are trying to bring things to light may be suffering to do so as a way of atoning.

This is not an external storyline. These are my own thoughts. Because you can't really expose another person's deeds, while concealing your own similar deeds and have that be good.

And I do realize, Kappy, may have been coerced. These are just things I'm thinking about. Relevant to the times.

 

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The upside is fun, the downside,...not so much! 

Perhaps some people who currently suffer made a deal, with the devil (not God), in a past life, or three. Well, now the bill has come due...

They don't necessarily deserve to suffer, it's just a bill payment.

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@anonymoushermit  I am not talking about deserving to suffer. I am talking about choosing to suffer in order to atone for very bad things you've done.  Further, I'm talking about being compelled to do so because you just can't live with yourself.

I'm thinking feelings like these are squashed out of people these days but I'm not saying this in a judging way.  Because I am far more aware of this, these days.

https://www.elsaelsa.com/forum/relationships/are-psychopaths-born-or-bred/

If you're exposed to a lot of evil - just exposed to it from a distance, it seems likely this would hinder a person's innate desire to do and be good.

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@elsa,

Yeah, I'm not talking about karma either. 

On a TV show, this jock dude (a teen show) decided to provoke the other teammates of the football team, it was obvious he wanted to get physically beat up! Telling a 6'2", 270 pound dude, to "Suck his dick" is pretty much asking to be beat up, along with his friends defending the offended too.

On the show, the guy who wanted to get beat up, felt that while he didn't commit  the murder, he was neglectful in helping the guy who died, and helped the guy die by physically injuring him!

Also, some musicians who are rock-wannabes before they became the real thing, might have done some devil rituals for their success. Perhaps they have to pay in a future life. 

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