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Calliope
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Hello everyone,

I'm curious to know how would Saturn and Pluto possibly look like in trance/ hypnosis.

I practice hypnosis and it happened to me to encounter a dark figure a few times. It was not my wish, it just appeared. I don't know if it was Pluto or Saturn. My feeling told me it is Saturn, but I could be wrong. 

Is it possible to make the difference by how they look? They would both look dark, I guess... but how different? Who's darker of the two?

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Satsun
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I'd say Saturn has to do with material/pragmatic things, rules and regulations etc. So it can be heavy or tough, but not scary in an otherwordly sense.

Pluto woild be more the dark unconscious, immaterial things and emotions.

How would they look differntly? Difficult to say.

How they would feel, perhaps Saturn would feel like a constraint,

but Pluto would be scary.

Interesting question, but difficult to answer!!!!!

 

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@satsun I was definitely scared, but not that much as to leave the trance... The second it appeared I thought "This is Saturn!" But given the fact that my natal Saturn conjuncts Pluto, I guess for me it makes it even more tricky to tell the difference between them because it will have both vibes Smile

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Are you sure you haven't picked up a parasitic entity whilst you are in a trance? Are you taking any protective measures prior to entering this state? What is your focused intention regarding this work - what are you seeking to achieve whilst in your trance? Sometimes, when people go into a liminal state, they light up like a beacon in the astral, attracting all manner of wee beasties that need to feed off that energy. Such entities can cause illness, depression or even enter thoughts or dream states. Following tried and tested methods of meditation using breathing exercises, visualisation, stated intentions and protective prayers, matras and/or symbols will ensure these negative energy enities are kept at bay.

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@eleanor-d I'm following tried methods and hypnosis/ trances, not creating my own. The first time the dark figure appeared was a trance I did with my therapist, my intention was to receive guidance and I was surprised to meet Saturn (this was my spontanous gut feeling). Ever since Pluto joined Saturn in Capricorn inside my 4th house my life has been an excavation of the past, doing almost only work to leave behind and reshape... Looking back now, I cann't believe how much I struggled last year to leave certain parts behind... I'm so glad I did, but it was hell before letting go. I'm seeking answers to heal myself trying both psycotherapy and trances. I practice yoga, meditation, mantras not very regulalry, but I do Smile

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It’s your subconscious, so I think whatever you think it is, is what it is. But there’s the archetype of Saturn, and there’s your personal interpretation and sense of Saturn, so maybe a reflection on that would help you discern. 

Personally before I would go into hypnosis, I would do a prayer or incantation for protection. Always, always always in all dimensions you can also invoke Jesus, say that you come in Jesus’ name, and ask entity if they are of Christ consciousness. That’s the strongest energy to use, but if that’s not your thing, you could simply ask them who they are and if they serve self or serve the All. That’ll clarify a lot. 

I agree with Eleanor that the astral is a different kind of place, but fear is a warning that either that entity is not benevolent or that you are not ready to engage with that entity, for whatever reason. Also remember that Freewill is the ultimate Law, and is present at every time and every place. No entity can impose its will upon you unless you make an agreement with it. 

For me, studying amd practicing shamanic journeying has helped me kind of navigate those realms with more wisdom and confidence. If you haven’t, maybe that’s something that could help. It’s helped me TREMENDOUSLY in getting a grip on my psychic field (Neptune in 12th). 

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@Libra noir oh, just saw your response to Eleanor. Disregard my comment. Except for the part about it being what you think it is.

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I have never 'met' anything/anyone in trance but my imagination says, Saturn will be fatherly or authority figure - like a headmaster. Fear could be a reaction if you have not been dutiful or responsible enough. Otherwise, a sense of deep respect and feeling protected could be invoked.

Pluto would be sewage cleaner, mortuary master, shamanic... responsible for all necessary and benevolent tasks, but not necessarily pleasant to hang out with. Here, more than fear, the first reaction could be repulsion or discomfort. Again not necessarily fear, unless you are deeply uncomfortable with plunging your psychic depths, which does not seem to be the case with you.

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I think it was Saturn in Plutonian drag.

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