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Protesting and Riots Across the United States
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Sunday, May 31, 2020 - 10:04 pm
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Okay folks. With everything that’s been going on, I figured we may as well talk about it. 

Protests and rioting have erupted across the United States, in response to the murder of George Floyd by a police officer/s, as well as other similar cases involving the black community and police, and the historical experience of black people in America, in general. There are different perspectives involved here, and a spectrum of interested parties with different aims. We can discuss all that below. 

I decided to post this in the Lounge to make it as broad a discussion as possible, so feel free to discuss this topic from any perspective–astrological, societal, political, spiritual, historical–you name it. 

Maybe I/we can post some charts of various people involved or different events at some point during the discussion. 

All opinions are welcome and I imagine some people will disagree. That’s okay. All I ask is the we remain respectful of each other. No insults, please. 

So, what does everyone think about what’s going on lately? Where are you all at regarding this issue, at the moment?

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Thanks for starting this discussion, Buendia. I’ve been meaning to, but didn’t know what angle to take. I like that you opened this to be approached from various perspectives. Perfect for North Node in Gemini time. 

I’ve shared some of my thoughts and observations on the Random Thoughts thread, but plan to open up here as well. 

Ever since the protests started, I’ve started having flashbacks to college. Back then I was reading books like ‘Their eyes Were Watching God” by Zora Neale Hurston and  “Things Fall Apart” by Chinua Achebe, and watching movies like “Amistad”. The town I went to college in is full of embedded racism, and I was part of a campus group bringing awareness about cultural and religious diversity to the community. Let’s just say I had my eyes opened to some things.

I knew there was racism back home, too. One guy well-known to the community had blatantly racist artwork in his front yard which faced a busy highway, and he was the leader of the local KKK. Howard Stern used to roast him on his show. But when I went to college, boy did I get to hear how widespread the fear of black people was. Only one white guy was part of the campus group I mentioned. He was called n****r-lover for being friends with black people. He didn’t care. 

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No sweat, NMC. I wasn’t really sure where to start either, whether with a particular chart or transit. Figured we could just include it all this way. I like your connection to NN in Gemini! 

Your posts in RT2 have been so interesting; this way, they won’t get lost over time. I really appreciate you sharing your experiences–you’re in the center of a lot of action (current events and historical). 

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What happened was incomprehensible. I watched the video and cried. My secondary emotion was anger. 

Peaceful protest doesn’t bother me. Nor does a lot of screaming. 

But when you bust the windows out of a building of a small business owner who has worked for 40 years to feed his family… then, set it on fire eek I am afraid one of those little shits would have to physically fight me. 

How does destroying your same race neighbor that lives in your neighborhood help rampant racism? Someone please explain it to me because I am blocked on the subject. What about self control, common decency, rules and laws? I am heartbroken for the folks that have worked all their lives to have their life’s work destroyed. I mean, what I am seeing is not a civilized society. And, anything done in anger has a negative outcome. 

I want to know where the parents of these assholes are! DO YOUR JOB PARENTS. This city burning is just causing the divide to be greater. Because I am on their side until they hurt someone that did nothing to them but try to make the community better. 

It’s like watching wild animals. White and black. Its not just one race. They are both out there. 

A 14 year old has about as much sense about the way the world works as a toddler. They have no business in the streets. Their parents need to go get them and make them SIT DOWN before someone kills them. I think its dangerous – even more so with the National Guard on the ground. 

National Guard should have been called the minute this shit got out of hand. But many of these Mayors and Gov’s are sitting on their ass allowing it to happen. I would have shut that shit down in 10 minutes. 

Here you see what ONE PARENT families produce. There is no daddy around to enforce some self discipline. If you are going to raise a son alone you better rise up and realize you are not only the momma but you are the daddy too. I can tell you from experience there is NO room for error. 

A young person can make a mistake that will cost them the rest of their lives before they have even had a chance to live them. It’s up to us to guide our children. This is not the school or governments job. My child would be out of that street by any means necessary. I WOULD DO IT. 

What is happening will NOT produce change. Only love can do that. Change has to come from the heart. It has to start there. If you don’t reach inside to a loving, empathetic place in your soul and make sure you child understands where the center of their heart is… NOTHING will change the next generation. 

These kids are so misguided. They couldn’t be more far off the mark. 

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To be quite fair, I heard that a lot of the people that started the riots and looting aren’t part of the protests. Also, a lot of the rioters and looters aren’t even from Minneapolis! 

And add in, that there are cops that are making some of the protesters, especially in Minneapolis, look bad, by starting the riots and looting, themselves.

However, I am against the looting and rioting, in general. I also believe some of the protesters are rioting and looting!

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She asked about protests and riots. I was referring to the actual riots. 

I am just speaking of St. Louis. And, the rioters were from St. Louis. 

I believe in peaceful protest. 

What I was referring to had nothing to do with a protest. It was a war. It was war in the street. No one was safe. It was a total collapse of civilization for the entire time it was going on. Bullets were flying, buildings and cars were being destroyed – burning. The police force was being assaulted by rapid fire from AK’s for an hour – trapped and could help no one. The swats were tied up in other places. 4 officers were shot. 

I don’t care who did it. They need to be in prison. There was nothing fair about people being fired upon. 

They turned that part of the city into Beirut. And, unless you are there and experience it you can not understand the fear. You know there is no one that is going to come help you. 

I am 61 years old. I don’t want to be locked and loaded behind the front door of my home in fear of what is going to happen when it gets dark outside. 

So, while my heart bleeds (I am full water, you all know I am a feeling emotional creature) for the life of Mr. Floyd and he does represent a huge problem in our society this rioting is not the answer to the problem. It causes anger and more resentment and more division. 

It has been beautiful to see people come together during the protests. This stuff that we experienced in St. Louis… absolutely horrific. I guess you’d have to be here. 

They murdered a 77 year old African American man and video’d it on Facebook live. He was a man that gave his life to our community and they video’d it and he died on Facebook live. No one tried to help him. They stood over him and mocked him. 

You bet I am pissed. His life mattered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

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I read somewhere how Neptune is opposing the Pluto/Uranus conj in Virgo from the 60’s when civil rights activities were in full swing.

I just looked at my Ephemeris. T Neptune opposing the then Uranus at 20 and the then opposing Pluto at 20. Neptune will be at 20 for weeks! Another thread on that, too.

Look at Uranus/Taurus at odds w/ Saturn/Aquarius. Revolution, forced change, pushed withing society’s structures, upon authorities, their structures. Aquarius, masses.

Look at the nodes, just went into air/fire. 

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Just the other day I found myself thinking, “Is this what it was like to live through the 60’s?”

(I was born in the late 70s, so I have no idea.)

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Yes

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I don’t think these riots and looting are gonna do anything except bring about martial law and curfews, more restrictions, and further destroy the economy as if the coronavirus wasn’t hard enough.

Since when did two wrongs make a right?Displaced anger, taken out on the wrong person, won’t bring about justice, just create more pain.

At this point, just want to get out of these cities and go to somewhere remote. 

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I don’t know how to say this. My hope is that it comes across with the message of empowerment but Ill release expectations.

I think that Floyds murder is a false flag type thing, except that he was murdered and racism has been a reality for a lot of people. So saying what Im saying in no way defends any of what happened. Im looking at an even deeper evil than racism, if you can imagine that. It doesn’t people of color, it hates all people. 

Ok so, there are forces that either orchestrate things like this or use things like this to whip the masses into a frenzy, so that they can then be justified in restricting us more. Or more accurately, so we will ASK for more restrictions. It’s a psychological trick that is used. Coronavirus didn’t work as well as it shouldve in that regard, so they had to intensify their efforts. 

Another thing they do is constantly show and tell us how divided we are until we believe it and then act it out. They fuck with our perception which then fucks with our actions which then solidifies into a deep reality. Thats how the mind works. The mind is the thing here. You tell your kids that we live in a racist country (the first seven years is when these seeds are optimally planted, because they are in the Theta brainwave, which is basically a very open psychological stare) and thats what they grow up to experience. So yes, racism exists, absolutely, but only as a result of very deep conditioning. 

And of course they aren’t going to tell us that we are Divine beings who create our own reality. That all of this is consciousness. 

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Not only is this beautiful, but anonymously I am sharing your words. 

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We are all in the same boat in a way. Watching from Europe it feels like this is was inevitable. We have all inherited this world of deep inequality, some people feel and have to live with this that more than others. I don’t wish violence on anyone, I wish humanity could graduate from any type of violence apart from a loving shove (Venus in Aries). If the U.S.A can successfully meet these riots with a positive evolution and a true assessment and institutional change in regards to systematic racism , it can affect the rest of the world greatly. This corona situation creates a impetus for change, what one might be willing to wait patiently for before…like equality…maybe one wants to see it happening in ones one lifetime. 

(( I hope you all stay safe over there/ protect each other) 

This is not nuanced at all :I hate the Police (everywhere) , can’t imagine wanting to be a police officer. Laws are sometimes so absurd.

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Yo George. That cat nuzzling your leg? That’s my Kramer. He’s come to say Hi and welcome. Love xo

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Thank you, Buendia, for taking on the elephant in the room so nicely.

I thought the George Floyd video was heartbreaking. The cop looked like he enjoyed what he was doing and I can’t understand why the other cops didn’t stop him. It was all just sickening.

This particular cop, Chauvin, had 18 complaints about his behavior prior to this, a couple where he was disciplined. Why was he still on the force and how many more cops are there that are still active police with a similar record? This is an area that needs to be addressed by police.

That being said, people have a right to protest, but they don’t have a right to riot. A lot of people were peacefully protesting, but radical left-wing groups like Antifa hijacked the protest and turned it into a riot. Others took it as an opportunity to loot and steal. Towns like Minneapolis were decimated and so many people lost their businesses. It shouldn’t have been allowed to happen, but the leadership in those cities and states failed their citizenry.  They were grossly incompetent.

I feel terrible for the business owners and the people that live there that depend on those businesses. What did they do wrong?

I was very happy to hear that P. Trump will declare Antifa, and its ilk, domestic terrorist groups on a federal level. Antifa in NJ has been considered a domestic terror group since 2017 and you know what? Protests here were largely peaceful with few incidents. People made the protest about George Floyd, not about property destruction and looting. I’m sick of the Antifa crowd and my hope is that we’ll arrest the people that pay these thugs for hire and take their money.  Give it to the businesses they destroyed.

Its always been the same with racial issues. Some black/white incident happens and then there are protests, riots, looting and property destruction. It has never changed anything and never will. What will change it is starting a conversation about how we can move beyond this. We’ve got to try.

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