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Another scary thing: One of my housemate's daughters was warned by a friend that truckers are threatening to quit. Her friend watches OANN and NewsMax. I don't follow those, so I asked her to talk to people who have boots on the ground--truckers in this area. 

Does anyone know about this? I just encouraged her to stock up on MREs and camping food since she's been warned to store up food and doesn't have much space. Couldn't hurt, especially with things being weird out there at the moment. 

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@notmycircus there is talk of this and they are making it sound serious. But that doesn't mean it is.

Personally, I am optimistic it will resolve but people around here do seem to be pretty for doom again. No TP, etc.

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@notmycircus, the only thing I've heard is that truckers are planning to strike at the end of Nov. in protest of the ban on fracking if Biden is elected and because of the fraudulent election results.

I've started watching NewsMax and haven't seen anything about truckers quitting.  

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Went to lunch with a friend. She retired from 50 years of nursing. When we walked in the restaurant, everyone turned to look at us. About 40 people. No one was wearing a mask. Mom and pop restaurant.

Later I realized, people were looking up to see if we were wearing masks! While you do see them in certain places, most people around here have had it with them.

I did see one man come in with a mask. He was old. His daughter (or caregiver) had no mask.

This particular restaurant is post-covid. It's just done. If someone came here and told people to close their businesses, there's a good chance they'd be shot. I know of a few places like this.We've all seen the double standard. 

The feeling now is if a person has a business, they want to open, they open it. If a customer wants to come in and buy something, they can. If you want to stay home, no one is going to care or bother you.

This is why people start a business. They want to make the rules!

 

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@elsa There's a country cafe near my house. No one wears masks there, period. I do, and boy do I feel stupid. So I don't go there often. There's clear tarps separating the buffet line and cash register area, and the food and money gets passed around the tarp. So even without I'd likely have nothing to worry about. 

As a healthcare worker, I feel pressure to set the example. But I also feel pressure to loosen up and not be such a coward. All this pressure makes going out very confusing for me at times. 

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@notmycircus I’ll never understand people who think wearing a mask is weak or cowardly. Do I like wearing one? No, but I do so when required. I’m sorry people shame you over your trying to be safe.

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@notmycircus Having Libra, or understand your torment!

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@elsa Yep! Farmer's markets are the most confusing. I never know whether to wear one or go without. Sometimes the other customers have one on, sometimes not. So confusing!

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@notmycircus I completely understand. It's very hard to please everyone!  If you don't have Libra, it may be hard to fathom what we go through.

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  • @elsa @notmycircus I know, I know.. It may take a long time to get it but once something finally sinks into my thick skull I promise you it's not going to fall out of there ever. Libra! My crowded 8th house of Libra stuff. No wonder I don't like to start anything that could lead to dissent! I really don't. But I'm not a pacifist either... I just didn't think about it before that my need for diplomacy might be from my Libra planets, duh. I've always said that I'm not a people pleaser so much as someone who has to make sure no one is getting DISpleased with one another... But I've been trying to get over that because it's exhausting! 
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@notmycircus I wouldn't feel stupid or cowardly about wearing a mask. You work with elderly clients and really, anything you can do to prevent possibly infecting them is a good idea. Some areas of the country aren't as affected as others, but it looks like the virus is making a comeback again.

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@jofrance Yep, and not only do I work with elderly clients--I live with one. While I don't mask up at home, I do in public. 

The wife of one my clients disinfects her groceries. I stopped doing that long ago when the CDC said that the virus isn't as easily spread through surfaces as we thought. But I'm not about to tell her she doesn't need to do that. She might be doing the right thing! She also said to me one day, in response to something on the news: "I think I can decide how best to protect myself and my husband." She's right.

Their grandson was just diagnosed with COVID, but they have not had family over in weeks due to concerns about the virus surging again. The wife almost went to her daughter's house this week! I think she was going to pick up or drop off stuff. She had a close shave with possibly exposing herself and hubby. His immune system couldn't fight this off. 

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Interesting to read about a restaurant being open, and that being "normal."

I think an issue to think about is very simply rooted in our locations. Where I am, people are still mandated to wear masks, and now they've upped the ante - when anyone visits us, we are now regulated to wear masks in our homes and maintain a 6 feet distance while doing so. So our at home behavior is now being regulated, at least on paper. Theoretically, my neighbors could call police on me if my mom is over watching my children while I go to my doctor appointment. But this is all really geared towards our holidays. Just in time, in fact.

On top of that, if I leave the state and come home, I'm expected to quarantine for 2 weeks. Same for anyone coming in from outside. Not enforceable, but it's the principle of the thing.

What are the effects of this and why do I think it's good to think about? Well, if I lived where the mandate was ended or just never enacted, I think I'd personally be a little less upset these days, and go along with a whole lot more, because being given a choice means so very much. Not to say we don't still have the choice here, but it has officially become an act of rebellion and can put you in danger of serious confrontation - I've seen it and had it happen to me more than once. Thank goodness I have lots of Uranian energy 😉

Anyway, there are a lot of people like me. We can't take this anymore and it just keeps getting worse. What will come of putting free people under this much pressure when there is so much to question about this "pandemic?" Especially those of us with young children - we are going to be a nightmare. Maybe they want this though. I don't know.

Anyway, those of you living where you can be free, please enjoy yourselves and go out and have a meal for me! It's so nice to know there are still places where you can do that. You don't know what you've got till it's gone, that's for sure.

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Personally I couldnt care less about anyone wanting to wear a mask, what I resent is being Forced to wear one, everywhere, anywhere, at all times... Esp when their effectiveness is far from proven and here we are anyway, in the midst of these second waves despite all these measures. Who I feel bad for are kids who are forced to wear them every day at school or service workers who have to wear them all day like I see at my grocer. They all look miserable and understandably so. I can barely tolerate it 30 minutes let alone for hours like they do. I would never want someone to be imposed to wear them for me. If they did it of their own accord fine, but to be imposed is something else. Yeah, we don't even have the luxury of choice in some places. 

I seen a lot of videos of people being verbally abused and even attacked for not wearing one. 

Yet if you asked those people who are attacking and shaming, if masks weren't mandatory, would you still go to the grocery store or a restaurant or a cafe, or would you stay at home all day avoiding all outside interaction? I'm pretty sure most people would still be going about their lives, unless they were severely health compromised. 

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We're truly living in different worlds. I've been on a subway in NYC. It's not like that here. We have the number of people that can be found on a street corner in NYC, waiting to cross the street, in the space of a square mile.. or more. FAR more - space that is.

I also feel for the employees that are made to wear masks. Some of them have already blown them off. There is talk the employees acting together to refuse to wear them - en masse. What's the employer to do?

I realize some states will give big fines to businesses or take their licences but it's not like that here and we don't want it to be like that here. So when customers show up without masks, it's more than their personal choice or freedom.  When NO customers are wearing masks, this will lead to the people working in the stores to be permitted to set them down as well. I mean, no one is wearing them and no one is sick and no one has been sick!

So you can't blame us. My husband wants to spend time with his mother who has suffered without visitors for nearly a YEAR?  It's horrible. 

It sees that different areas in this country have very little common outside of their citizenship.  I would like to be united and I believe we'll wind up this way. I really do believe this.

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@elsa I think it's possible that businesses--especially the big box stores--are mandating masks to protect themselves. It's not out of concern for us, it's to avoid lawsuits and help people feel comfortable shopping in their stores. With that being said, if they're going to require masks, they should provide them at the door. Why? A lot of poor people can't afford extras like that. 

I work in health care, and in home care we are being required to wear masks because we can't social distance from our clients. Any caregiver who fights this will be fired. Of course the office staff doesn't have to wear masks unless someone comes in from outside. We've had to mask up since summer, and take our temperatures daily since March. Refusal to do either one is considered insubordination. In a way it feels unfair that we're being restrained in a way that the office staff is not, but at least I don't work in assisted living anymore. I hear that a lot of caregivers in AL and nursing homes are stressed out and heartbroken over how the restrictions on visitors are affecting their residents and family members who miss them. 

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@dolce I wonder if you are in the state bordering mine because my old roommate was trying to get back there to visit her parents and twin sister and that was almost exactly what she was told before they refused to let her in and sent her back here because she couldn't meet the requirements... Here would be Ohio.

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@TheVeryMostPaw Yes, I am in PA, but much closer to NJ. I hadn't heard the new regulations until I went to the doctor (the day of) and they started aggressively interrogating me about where I'd been - they got the news fast and acted on it. Ironically, I'd just traveled 2 hours north, and back, which is further away than interstate travel for me in 2 different directions. 

I'm surprised she couldn't get in - did they stop her driving? Or was she flying? They said people can quarantine. I'm so sad. It is so sad to live here now. My whole family is here and many friends, plus my husband's job, or we'd have left by now. That may still end up happening, because a lot of us talk about it "if the time comes." And we'll leave together. But we feel strongly that we shouldn't have to leave OUR homes.

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Definitely, lower populated areas do not have the virus spread that densely populated areas do. Even though I'm in NJ, my county has a lot of open space and we don't have the virus concentration. I was happy to see that my county officials are pushing back on the governor's proposed 8pm curfew for non-essential businesses. That will permanently close many of them especially during the Christmas season when they depend on sales.

What difference does it make if a store closes at 8pm instead of 10pm? Is the virus more active at night? Its truly ridiculous and looks more to me like authoritarian rule.  If you are a business and don't comply here, they'll pull your license to operate.

You are truly lucky the government in your area allows you freedom to make your own choices.  

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I bet curfews like that could backfire by concentrating people who are flocking in to beat the curfew.

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