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Vesta
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Something to think about...what if this very image is fake, designed to make one think that a big conspiracy is afoot in the society? What if the big reveal is that there are actors at play that want people's attention, loyalty and faith to be stolen away from organized structures of the civil society?

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 Elsa
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@vesta I think there are actors all over the place.

Matter of fact I think that's all we've got. People reading scripts.  One way or the other - fake!

And yes, the image could be fake!  But that gal (or guy) is peeling her/his mask off, it seems.

But you're right. The people on tv are no longer crisp looking, in spite of us having all the high def cameras.

The red light camera that took my picture ten years ago, when I did a rolling stop at a red light when making a right turn, was of better quality then what I see on msm now

The people are being shown, &((&6 up!  I mean, black eyes, and I don't mean, blackened eyes, I mean BLACK EYES like "black-eyed children".

I don't think these news actors have actual black eyes so why are they made to appear this way?

I have my theories! But I do agree with you. Something is afoot and a big upheaval is coming, very soon. But as I have said elsewhere, I am not worried because the sky is not horrific in 2021.

We have the Saturn/Uranus deal coming up, which is can be dealt with pretty easily, in my mind. So long as a person is willing to grow up a bit. I mean, no one wants to, but when you don't or can't it gets a bit tragic after awhile! Smile

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Vesta
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@elsa I did not understand the bid about black/blackened eyes Elsa. Honestly, I don't understand a lot on the thread. Why is the possibility that this image itself could be fake not be considerable. If there is indeed a conspiracy, why would someone or their overlords let this picture be clicked, let alone be published and distributed on the Internet?

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@vesta I think the black-eyed images are fake. I don't know why they are presenting people on the screen with their eyes like this.

I'm also pretty sure we could be shown a clear image but instead, the images are blurred.

This is curious to me. That's all. I don't have the answer. I feel it's becoming more and more visual or transparent. These are my observations. I can think of possible reasons why but I don't know the reason.

I will say, it's hard to control the internet, completely. There is a lot of content that is constantly scrubbed and constantly re-uploaded or mirrored in some way. It's a big joke at this point.  Whack-a-mole.

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@vesta There’s no doubt for me that there are fake conspiracy theories, but there’s also no doubt for me there are some real ones. The answer for me is critical thinking and keeping my own values, ethics and personal boundaries at the forefront of my mind. For instance I’m not going to go burn down a building because I entertain the thought that this could be true. I’m just going to refine my critical thinking skills and that’s a good thing.

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@libra-noir I respect you and your views. I have come to know you a little here and trust your instincts to separate fact from fiction. But frankly, thinking that the entire world is out to get one, hardly inspires confidence in the legitimacy of the question at hand. I stand by my view of the world, which is, that there are destabilizing actors at hand hell bent on convincing honest, good folk that everything new is evil and the good old days were the best. That the big pharma/tech/polity/civic order is out to get the little, independent person with agency. That its a war of good vs evil out there...or the world order now has a mysterious overlords wanting to stomp out the rest of us. I always want to ask...what if the resident evil projections Gates/Soros/Biden/Communism/China disappeared overnight, will the world suddenly turn into heaven? 

Its ironic that while the current philosophy at hand has a lot of the good ideas (e.g. food independence, protecting local businesses, not buying a 12 dollar item shipped from halfway across the world, limiting and budgeting our carbon expenditure, going back to nature instead of popping pills for smallest ailments and claiming back our attention spans), they were actually in the playbook of 60's alll-you-need-is-love generation. I now see fracking/extreme nationalism/this-is-a-liberal-agenda/left wing cpnspiracy/illumisomething screaming factions co-opting it. To what ends, I don't have the energy or inclination to unearth. To each, their own. Literally and figuratively.

I respect all points of views and VERY STRONGLY believe that dissent in all forms should be heard and deeply understood, even if not responded to. We are all responsible beings and can make our own judgement. If we feel making certain choices align with our life path without harming others, whyever not! Maybe we will have something precious to teach the future generations about there being multiple paths towards the same goal. Maybe there is a point to keeping automatic firearms within reach of children and teenagers. Maybe vaccinating your child to make sure they don't contract deadly diseases vs a limited risk of side effects is and should be de rigeur question every parent should ask themselves. Maybe Coronavirus is a global conspiracy to keep us at home. (Okay, 9000 dead people in my host country that has been the global poster child against effin lockdowns would like to disagree). I don't know what's up or down. I just would like to see a logical discussion with reasonable people in mainstream media, instead of it having to hide in obscure corners of the internet. The secrecy increases its legitimacy for absolutely no other reason than a feeling of persecution.

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@vesta

You will never see a logical discussion between reasonable people in mainstream media.  90% of media is owned by 6 mega-corporations with 1 agenda -- to control what you think.

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@vesta Well, you’ve added a lot here, that you didn’t previously ask about (like guns and vaccines and parenting. Not sure if that was specifically addressing me or not, so I won’t assume it’s a personal attack), so I’ll just address one part:”
I stand by my view of the world, which is, that there are destabilizing actors at hand hell bent on convincing honest, good folk that everything new is evil and the good old days were the best. That the big pharma/tech/polity/civic order is out to get the little, independent person with agency. That its a war of good vs evil out there...or the world order now has a mysterious overlords wanting to stomp out the rest of us. ”

Well, it’s not new at all, that’s the thing. It started with the industrial revolution and was linch pinned with the creation of the federal reserve. Before that, slavery was legal in the US. These are not paranoid delusions and the timing cannot be denied. 
I think your assumptions as to where the concern is for us are a bit off here. 

Also, I gotta address some intellectual dishonesty that I hear quite a bit. I will hear two arguments from people, as I did in your post. One is that there’s no control structure, we are just scared of new and paranoid and the other is that there is a control structure but it’s a good thing. At this point, the former is hard to argue, because there is obviously a control structure, so definitely a lot of people are going to have to admit- yes there’s a control structure and I like it. That’s all I want for people is to be honest with themselves about that. 

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@vesta I wanted to address this too: “.what if the resident evil projections Gates/Soros/Biden/Communism/China disappeared overnight, will the world suddenly turn into heaven?” No. That is an insult to our intelligence. We’ve talked here about how hard it would be if/when these structures collapse.

I’m not saying that everyone who believes this is not projecting. I’m sure some are. There are many who are projecting their fear via coronavirus too and I would say that’s mire prevalent. Doesn’t mean there’s not reality to coronavirus. I can only speak for myself in this regard. I’ve done A LOT of shadow work. I can tell I’m not projecting because, I’m not afraid and these people (Bill Gates for instance is very open about his plans). I’d have to do mental gymnastics to convince myself that when someone tells you that they are into population control (he said it), that they actually aren’t. I see people do that with Trump too and Biden and the list goes on. For me personally, I can’t lie to myself for too long. I get sick. If I have to contort my brain to make something true or not true, then I, as a Libra:) MUST look at the other side and weigh. 

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@libra-noir Exactly. There is a lot of grey area between "everything is secret, shadowy and evil" and "the mainstream narrative is true 100% and anyone who believes something slightly different is delusional." Figuring out the truth is our task and most people who try to do so will land on a somewhat different place depending on what makes sense to them. So that's why it's important to discuss, weigh, etc. and not project or assume.

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@space-cadet To landing on different parts of the spectrum- yes! For instance, I don’t think Q or flat earth has validity. I’m totally open to hearing proof, etc., but up until this point, these ideas just don’t make sense for me. They just don’t fit into what I already know to be true from my own experiences, but I’m aware that others have different experiences. You mentioned common sense in another thread and that really resonated with me! And if it turns out that the world is flat- well ok, I’ll adjust my thinking lol. I’m not attached to my worldview, I’m just attached to the idea that my worldview is my domain and noone elses. 

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I hope this thread continues. It's one of the most important topics of the present time. 

Today I saw a video of a nurse "receiving" the new Vxxxine and it was obvious it was faked. So obvious that people started to ask questions and they actually got a response. It wasn't satisfactory - they said the nurse took another shot, but there is no video of that.

At this point, I question if the nurse is really a nurse. I don't know these people personally so I don't trust them. I'm at that point.

This past spring, when people were protesting against the extended shut downs, it became apparent there were a bunch of people dressing up in scrubs pretending to be nurses as a counter protest, and were photographed for news sites. Even if you're there in person, you can't be sure if what you're seeing is true.

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 Elsa
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I've continued to work on spotting deception and working to comprehend the extent of it and the affect it's had, going back for generations.

This is important for me to understand (and also interesting). But it's important for me to understand so I can help people recover from the effects. I'm less interested in explaining it to people because it's like banging my head into a wall.

It's like a ship sinking. If you can get a person off the ship, into a lifeboat, that's it. That's enough. Chances are they'll be all right. They don't need to know anything I know. They have their own path and knowledge.

So this is my personal job in this drama, that I can discern. It's two weeks later and gaining ground, daily.

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It seems they are making the fake stuff more and more obvious. It's as if the people behind it want you to see it's fake. If they didn't want you to see it, it wouldn't be obvious!

So there's a reason for this. I hope it's not mocking! There is a lot of mocking going on. As I have talked to people about this, I tell them once the veil for drops and you see it, you can't un-see it.

I believe this distinguishes this as Jupiter stuff - truth, rather than Neptune... could be but maybe not.

If you try hard enough and really get into it, you can begin to discover the motives which are... well, I keep saying this is the most interesting time in my life. But the motives, if you can skin it all back, are mind boggling. I don't think I am special to be figuring this out, in my arena. I am being shown.

You can get a lot further if you talk to others, but you have to find people who won't persecute you, just like astrology.

Back to my point, the fakery is easier to spot in some arenas. I think it's because they want people to see it. I need to study this until I understand it, fully.

I tipped a client to this tonight. Told her to prepare to go through a grieving process. Shock, denial, bargaining...

I hope to get into this as far as writing about it. I may have to start a new blog to do it. But right now, I just have to extract the knowledge so I can continue to be an effective counselor.  The more you understand, the more you understand!

The paradigm has truly changed. Um... It's these planets leaving my 12th. I've learned quite a bit and now I'm washing up on the beach, assimilating everything, with the intent to present it and/or put it to use.

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It's really encouraging to see this. I think more and more people are waking up to a lot of deception and manipulation, I see it... but I wonder if it's too late and I wonder if there are enough. It's pretty clear to me, the new world is already here, they've destroyed, deceived and distracted people for long enough to get their plans all laid out and now it's the final showdown... 

Personally, I do think it's mockery at this point, and becoming more obvious on purpose. Mocking the people who do see through it... and laughing at those who can't. Just to show you, whether you see it or you don't, what can you do about it, at this point?

It's a really lonely place to be, for people who have been seeing this stuff for a while, and couldn't talk about it, because the masses are in a brainwashed state of false security.

One of the things I always loved about you Elsa, is that, despite being in a more new age field like astrology you've always been real, and you never pushed the new age narratives of 'positive thinking is all you need' and the worship of the law of attraction principles.  I think some people are in for a rude awakening because the veil will lift, sooner or later, when there is no longer need to keep up the pretense. 

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