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Why Has/Is Sex Sometimes Vilified?
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On the one hand, excluding in vitro fertilization, sex is indispensable for the continued existence of mankind, all life, yet for centuries it has often been demonized.

What do you think?

Is there, or what is the astrology to this potential paradox?

Is it generational?

More personal, experience specific?

I know this is a loaded question, and so anything goes here….

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Sex is powerful – creates life and can destroy relationships. (among other things)

Keep sex between a husband and wife, keep the family in tact. Keep the children protected with both parents, and the woman protected by the man. Keep structure and security of the family as a focal point in the culture.

Make sex a free for all, that structure and security goes out the window, culture changes for better or for worse. 

For those who want to keep things structured and secure, it’s easy to vilify sex since it can be the root cause of the destruction.

I’m sure there are a million answers to your question, but those are my first thoughts!

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Like Dolce said; because it’s powerful. The structures that were set in place, did not want the common man and woman to know their own connection to Divinity, which sex (if used in the sacred way), helps us access. Plus, shame is a really easy way to control people. I think the message that sex is a sacred act has been warped by religious leaders. 

One other thing that comes to mind is how the Sacred has been completely removed from the act of sexual union, at least culturally (I know many people, myself included whove made their own spiritual practices regarding sex). Pornography and gratuitous, indiscriminate sex is just the other side of the coin of shame that we are given as young children. 

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In society up until about the 1960’s.

It’s partly because of religion and a belief in their God(s). And perhaps partly to keep people from cheating! Oy, I am thinking practically here too.

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In all living creatures except man, sex is purely instinctual, resulting in reproduction.  Some mate indiscriminately, others selectively, some exclusively for life (I.e. swans). It’s simply a component in species survival along with daily seeking of food, water, shelter, safety.

But unlike other beings, humans eventually developed abstract thought, awareness of the life cycle, skills enabling structure beyond perpetual daily survival activity, and emotions including a need to control their environment. Myths, beliefs, rituals, rules, tribes, hierarchies, identities, expectations, responsibilities, consequences. Any activity so integral to perpetuating these complex structures would have to be carefully controlled.

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I think a lot of sex has no power at all. It’s like… meaningless.
Well, some of that kind of sex has the power to harm you, unfortunately.
Interesting topic!

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For input on generational thoughts I looked at the 1970s sexual revolution for inspiration. This was about the time that Neptune was newly in Sagittarius (freedom). At first I didn’t get it, because I was expecting something to do with Pluto (yes, Pluto is involved, but I’ll get to that in a second). We rarely think of Neptune as a sex fiend, but we know Neptune is associated with addictions. The sex part, I think comes from Neptune’s creative energy. Creation is also the basis of pro(creation), the act of reproducing that requires sex (exclusion of in vitro fertilization). In astrology we also find creation related to Sun/Leo; though the expression differs. Neptune has also featured in many mythological stories as a lustful God that enjoyed many sexual conquests of Goddesses, mortals and nymphs e.g Medusa was a virgin when she was seduced by Neptune.

The 1970s sexual freedom stands out because the Boomers, the second largest generation after the Millennials, had reached their sexual prime. We know this generation largely has Pluto in Leo (5th house; sex for fun, creativity/sex aka movies). So, 1970s was a decade that saw the Boomers experiencing transit Neptune in Sagittarius sextile Pluto in Leo; it’s no surprise many traditional sexual restraints were cast aside, and taboos were dissolved.

Transiting Neptune sextile Pluto is an interesting aspect, 1950-2032, because it likely carries a harmonious creative transformative energy for the collective. The signs involved, reveal the areas where the pioneering energy plays out; in Sagittarius you get freedom and in Leo you get creation/procreation/sex …. 1970s sexual freedom.

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I am always amazed at how Pluto plays out in the generations. As a “BOOMER” I agree it was a very creative time the 70s. We were also freedom fighters. We fought for equal rights. We fought over the injustice of the Vietnam war.

It would be nice to see some of the Pluto in sag generation have some fire in their belly.

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Sorry I just realized I am off topic.

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When everything is unified –  nothing will be vilified – but neither will it be exalted. The same will be true of spirituality.

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I think that even if sex has historical reasons that it has been suppressed, the reasons it would be vilified today would be because of emotional reasons that are relevant today. Like if people didn’t get something from it emotionally they would not continue on with it.

For instance historically women were not meant to be working really in their reproductive years. But now they do. Because they want to. They get something from it.

The reason sex is vilified in my personal experience is a powerful, even overwhelming desire from women to make sure that is so. I’ve never had any particular resistance discussing sex with guys. I recall a girl I met on a facebook group once who said something like since I was being ‘bothered’ by sexual thoughts she would talk to me about it to kind of drain that energy. (Her words). The second I got on facebook messenger with her she point blank refused to speak about it until some very mild talking on it at some point later, and not in that same context.

Another girl I recalled talking to on twitter and… well I kind of see sexual information like ‘data’ sometimes I have no particular charge on it. I don’t respond to sexual jokes much and often will say things that are sexual without realising it. I will miss very obvious puns and things.

I would be talking about her chart and she had a Neptune – Uranus conjunction in the 8th house. And I literally mentioned something to do with it and she got extraordinarily angry. I mean VERY angry. I was all of a sudden feeling like I was in some sort of abusive relationship. There was also this weird kind of stuff she was saying like ‘we should meet up’ that I could feel was not true. Kind of future faking. Maybe I met a narc. But my point is is that she did not want to discuss sex OBVIOUSLY, like she did not need to respond to that information and just take it as information.

I am careful on this area now and am making strides in my understanding of it (as a tool of psychological warfare). There is a symbol I wear that I believe keeps entities closely connected with me and is associated with those entities historically. I feel that in many conscious and subconscious ways it protects me and so it does many things. It definitely does something around a vaguely psychic sense I get of people that don’t particularly like me. But it also VERY MUCH reduces my sex drive. Like I used to get these incredibly in depth sexual thoughts about people sometimes but those are gone. I have to push it if I want to fantasize in that way. I feel there is a slighty demonic aspect about engaging with those thoughts.

When I was in my late teens I didn’t particularly like girls and the sexual aspect of things; then overt stalking made me think that I needed to respect the whole area of sexuality but I am starting to realise that the original viewpoint was perhaps the right viewpoint to have. Like, I’ve convinced myself away from the instinctively correct viewpoint.

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