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This seems a very serious topic to me. What will we see when Pluto leaves Capricorn for Aquarius?  Anyone have a theory?

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The last month that Pluto will be in Capricorn at all will be November 2024. So there is room for another U.S. presidential election and any shifts in power dynamics that may come from that. This will be an ending to the economic and political story set in motion in 2008.

I can't really guess what that ending will be, but I do hope that more people can get on the same page about what needs to happen going forward. There needs to be a balance struck between those "in control" and those who are controlled. Our major institutions need to serve the people if they are to stand.

Capricorn is an earth sign. We need to stay grounded, down to earth, and let common sense and basic humanity prevail, and eliminate anything that gets in the way of that. I think this is important for us to prepare for Pluto in Aquarius or it could get ugly. The tech industry has a scary amount of power right now that will only get worse if we choose to keep giving away our power.

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That 29th degree can be like a banana peel -  things happen fast.

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@windsaloft2  this is what I tend to expect... but then I think about Pluto in Aquarius... is this the shocking death(s)?

Sue Ellen is famous for her noting that this forum tended to clear out and re-load when Saturn changed signs. What about the larger picture?

Some people will not live to see the end of Pluto in Capricorn. I have been thinking about this a lot because I am surrounded with people who are gravely ill right now and I can see death around a number of others.

https://www.elsaelsa.com/astrology/scorpio-and-8th-house-types-sensing-death/

I think about the dark things I am aware of that they are not.  In some cases think death will spare them. It takes a lot of energy to absorb shock and trauma when it hits you unexpectedly.

I am aware that a number of people I know personally will leave this world with their hymen intact. It's just the way it's unfolding. 

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I do know some people close to me whom I suspect will die in the following years...sooner or later, either due to physical or mental health (suicide).

It is tough to admit the latter, and hoping that I am wrong or not misses the point, which is that some people are having their mental (or physical) faculties exposed or negatively ignited.

I was once under the impression that something big would happen, constituting a global effect felt simultaneously be many, but it seems it is more on an individual or group level at this time.

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@darkaquarian the trauma delivered in 2020 was profound.  If you've never been put through such an ordeal and if you don't know someone or have access to someone who can help you navigate, or if you can't find meaning in your experience or something... it's almost like personalities have been *wiped*.

I feel I went through this myself... but I'm back now, lol. Deep down, I'm a fighter. Aries / 4th house.

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@elsa I see.

Personalities being wiped sums it up too. Only certain characteristics are prominent while the rest of their person or ego is being suppressed.

It seems cruel perhaps to say this, but I am no longer invested in other people's agony unless they need some assistance to get out of their neurotic behaviors. And there are those who know they need help and do not ask. I've offered and have been shit on or gaslighted.

My 4th begins in Libra and finishes in Scorpio, where I have 3 planets (Pluto, Mars, Saturn).

No wonder I have taken the fight to the courthouse, or to a realm outside of the immediate physical world (chanting, praying). 

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@darkaquarian  there's this show, Dollhouse. It only ran two seasons 2009-10, I think.  It's freaky.

The premise is that for whatever reason, people (men or women) agree to have their personalities erased. They are then kept in comfort and rented out as dream dates (and a variety of other things) by people with a lot of money.

Prior to the date, the blank slate is filled with skills and knowledge - like how to crack a safe, if you're hiring one of the "dolls" to help you rob a bank. I know it sounds far-fetched but it really makes you think.   After the engagement, the doll is wiped clean, left with no memory.

In whatever case, the organic person is gone. It's a take on MK Ultra though this isn't stated.  The new person is enhanced... but also limited and can be made to heel... like a dog.

As the show advances, the dolls are waking up / the program is coming unglued and such but the acting is pretty good.

By that I mean, when they come up out of the "treatment" chair, they seem convincingly, to lack a personality.

You can get an idea here:

I am learning a lot a this time. Not what people think. I am back on one of my original interests from 25 years -sociology.  My interest in this has got to be obvious, considering my time on this site.

Anyway, I'm pretty honed in right now trying to figure out just how the hell people I know to be intelligent have become... wiped.

I sort of know how.  The "programming" words flow from their mouths.

This was my original rant on this blog. I could not for the life of me figure out why everyone all the sudden, used the same phrases. It made me crazy... and this was 20 years ago!

So anyway, I can't help myself. People can hate me until I'm blue or they are blue. The fact is, we are given certain gifts and sight in different areas. I remember the DAY that all the TV personalities (news) started holding their hands the way the still do, to this day. I was INSANE over that.

I mean, no one cared but me. But it's just not right when an army of people all adopt the same inflection (of whatever type), overnight.  It's like sending a virus out, you know?

Of course I understand this now... and this happened maybe 30 years ago. I'd have to think about it. I just know I started bitching like a son of bitch. My friends laughed but hey. When something is off, I know it.

I have been through a lot with Pluto T my 12th, etc.  But now I have this P Sadge moon and you know what? Les goooooooooo!

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@elsa Timely as usual....

My father and I were just discussing the potentials for hacking or programming people who want Neurolink, or whatever in their bodies, to help him rob 50K from a bank, and wipe their memory afterwards.

It IS the same as MK Ultra, exactly the same.

You bring up an interesting point: catchphrases. I hate them. When I lived in WA and OR, the phrase was "that's so sketch(y)". I starred deep into these people, finding them to be easily led this way or that way by those who share the same words.

Some catchphrases or "terms of endearment" that are old are still used, like n*gga for instance...as soon as I hear it, I have an idea what allegiance or ideology the person prescribes to.

Some may not know this, but prisoners are very keen on this. A new fish enters their world and begins using these words and phrases, and the vetted population knows immediately what will happen to that new person.

The difference between prison and the "free" world is that in prison they will tell you to your face what is happening and what options you have (if they let you exercise them). In the "free" world, everything is subtle, covert, hard to decipher.

This stuff is very interesting to me. I too am heavy into the psychology within people, on a personal, communal, and societal level.

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@darkaquarian this show is full of reveals and / or pre-programming, mocking, information, but also, templates which is something very few have caught onto as far as I know.

I think this is Pluto in Aquarius stuff. The fixed signs would be well advised to catch on now, via Saturn and Uranus before Pluto rips the bandaid off, to say the least.

On the upside, I will never, ever be bored again for even a minute.

I am a curious person but I also feel a responsibility to stay on top things so when clients show up, I'm not clueless. This is already happening. I'm known to be able to distill and simplify things. I'm able to do it because I go to hell and back... so others can avoid it?

Here's a trippy thing. That was the first astrology writing of my life. 1992-ish? I wrote about the method of operation of each of the signs. Very succinct. I was in therapy at the time. I gave it to my therapist and she thought I was crazy, just like people reading this today, think I am now.

I didn't care then and I don't care now. I know I'm supposed to do this... learn about it, though I don't know why.

Blogs didn't exist when I wrote a short astrology-themed piece. Imagine that.

My therapist thought it was kind of stupid. I forgave her. I knew she didn't understand. She said she didn't get it. I told her what I wrote was really good, whether she knew it or not. It sounds arrogant but that's not what it is. Stuff you're supposed to know or do or need m, will come to you. But many people keeps their doors locked, which is their option of course.

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Oh. And on the newscasters when they first started the crap with their hands, they were all awkward. You could see they had been instructed and were trying this new skill for some reason unknown to me.

I have been really into the news since my late teens but not now. I would not watch one second of news at this point. Literally, not one second. Because I finally figured it out.

Thirty fucking years. It's about time. I may not be quick but I am thorough.

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I have not had cable since 2005.

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