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Scorpio, 8th House & Pluto Types: What Happens At The Point Of Death?
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I have a client who recently lost loved one. She mentioned this, casually, to someone she met in passing. The person asked her what she thought her family member would think of where she is at this time; within a year of their passing.

Her sharing this with me led to a discussion. I told her, I suspected that at the point of death; her family member probably had a completely different perspective.  It would be the difference between looking at things skewed, from this side, with all your blinders and other flaws and distortions… and seeing things for the way they really are.

What do you think of my theory?
Do you have a theory of your own?

What happens at the point of death?

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Friday, March 8, 2019 - 11:14 am
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I think I could agree with your theory but just based on what I have seen and heard.

My father was in the hospital dying and we were all there, except my sister, who flew in from Memphis. He seemed to wait til she joined us before he slipped into a coma and died a few hours later. That’s very much in line with how he was alive. But he seemed ready to go.

My mother took care of my grandfather in his last days. At the end he was talking to my grandmother, who predeceased him. He was seeing her and talking to her before he died.

So yes, I think that although the people have loved ones here, people they would die for in life, when the time comes, they release.

But then this made me wonder about people who died by murder or a plane crash or someone who is fighting to stay alive, something like that. I can imagine their horror because I am still alive and that is how humans relate to such things. But at the point of actual death, do they release and go into it? This is something most of us cannot imagine because it’s not in our experience (for many of us, I imagine.)

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Wow. Amazing question.

I think you’re theory is possible. Gaining perpective on the scope of one’s life–mistakes, choices, preferences, prejudices, etc. 

I’m not sure if everyone can let go of their human experience, until they actually let go…if that makes sense. I’ve known people to wonder if they were good enough, express regret for lost time or experience, or even disdain. But those expressions were on the death bed, close to the moment of death, not right at it. 

I think at the moment of death, we are flooded with chemicals, which makes the transition easier, the letting go of the body. I think it must be similar to an intense psychedelic experience (I don’t necessarily mean an artificially induced experience, because it can be achieved other ways. That’s just the word that came to me). Something totally beyond the world we know. It might allow one to gain a completely different perspective on the life they had, as the leave it. I know, generally, these types of chemical experiences usually provide that type of shift in perspective. Again, this can be a natural, conscious self inducement of a chemical experience. 

Because we are in bodies, I think it’s important to think about what our bodies can (and can’t) do. I don’t think we consider our chemical/hormonal bodies enough as contributing to our experience (says the 6th house moon sextile 8th house mercury). The awareness of our chemical bodies shouldn’t detract from our spiritual experience, but add to it. We are all of it, it works together. 

So, yes, I think your theory is definitely plausible. 

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I guess I just think it’s funny when people talk about spiritual or energetic experiences, as though it’s just chemicals flooding the brain, etc. 

Ha. Well, it IS that, it’s not JUST that. As though that makes it “not real.” It’s what allows for it. Imo. 

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Right. The physical and spiritual planes intersect-HERE. Depends on which context youre speaking about. I think the mistake that many make, is assuming  spirituality and science are opposed, when they are actually concurrent. 

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Yes, precisely what I meant. 🙂

I used to take much comfort in the Neptunian/biblical saying “be in the world, but not of it,” until I realized there is a reason why I’m in the body that I am, and a part of this world. 

I still relate to it and take comfort in it, but just have different understanding of it now. 

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And fully agree about science and spirituality. They are not separate. 

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I have a stellium in Scorpio, and an 8th house sun. I experience little ego deaths often.

But the physical death is a tad different, where in really let’s go of who they are/were and begin forging something new. I’ve asked plenty of people and have read a lot on death. I’ve also done entheogens that give a near death experience.

Yes Elsa, one’s perspective is so honest about all that was happening before the ultimate death to where you really view who you were and all the idiotic and serene ordeals that we’re either trivial or not. It makes clear what’s important.

Stanley Krippner and others (ram dass) are very keen and surveyed this death landscape with much to say about it to. I wish I could recall more names etc.

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I think your theory sounds true.  I think there is an increase in awareness.  Sort of like how you describe- it’s the difference between looking at things from one angle and looking at all angles simultaniously. 

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If people reach some kind of supposed thinking perspective at the point of death to be able to see things as they really are, whatever that would mean, none have ever come back to let us know. No thinking after we are dead, the brain doesn’t work anymore, even if it was working during the process of dying. Scorpio, 8 house or plutonian types have nothing to do with it. What happens at the point of death is you die.

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What about people who have been brain dead and came back with an experience? To me, that shows that the brain function is a product or result of consciousness, not the other way around. 

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I have read many near death experiences. I have also read much about the final stages of death. These appear to be very much related.

  My husband is close. The veil is thinning between both worlds.

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I have been thinking and reading about this to some extent since ST’s death. I want to believe that he’s finally walking again, that he’s with his grandparents again, that whatever he may have felt at death wasn’t just some weird combo of morphine and DMT!! That his life wasn’t spent suffering in vain.

What’s the point in suffering if there’s nothing after this? 

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I developed my ideas over the years after a conversation with my husband about a ten years ago. He was talking about suicide.

I belong to a generation who tends to romanticize death (Neptune in Scorpio). I have seen it as an escape. Literally, it gave me courage when I young. I had to leave home when I was 15. One of the things I thought, was if I didn’t make it, I could always kill myself!  It’s the whole idea of death as an escape.

But then my husband suggested I think about people who committed suicide. They’re thinking it’s going to be better. They are going to be relieved.  But what if that’s not right?

“What if a split second after their death, they’re in agony. It’s not only worse, it’s way worse! And you can’t go back!”

If you actually think about it… well no one can say this is not the case.  And it makes me think of that old adage… suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Over the years, I have visited the sick, when includes the dying, in some case. You see so many things. People at peace. People in agony and everything in between.  People scared, people who just don’t care.

And if you see this… a lot of it, eventually, you’re going to think about what might be… right there on the other side. 

@wintermoon, I know the brain dies but we have a soul and that part of it really is mysterious.

I think you may know the deal after you die, but this is for good or ill.  I think we may be prepared during life, at least in some cases. Some people die as babies. But I’m talking about getting older and realizing, it’s really not a good idea to be an asshole.  I mean it is REALLY not a good idea.  And you learn to act on the regret you feel for mistreating someone. You apologize and try to make amends.

Or you don’t.

This thing, “free will” is something else.

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I dont know. I guess one of two things happens. Either our consciousness moves on to some other dimension or it ends. If it ends, then whos there to experience it? We are consciousness. The people that think theyre the body and not the awareness of it…..I imagine theres a lot of fear of death then. 

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