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Mia
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Hi, my name is Mia, i was wondering if you can answer my question. My birthday is November 26th and i am turning 25 this year of 2020, but my solar return this year is November 25th. I been researching myself on the transit charts and i feel like im always in a spiral in astrology. I do my solar return charts on different websites since i live in Gardena of California and i get different placements on each website. I don't necessarily trust it because since i live with my family and we might relocate somewhere else before my solar return is over around 2021, i just feel like am i supposed to be living two or three lives at the same time? that includes my natal birth chart, solar return, and my progressed chart that is going to change also after i turn 25 this year. Im trying to study placements that is going to change me in some way but i don't know if solar return charts is just a transit for the energy for the whole world itself or personally for me. My progression chart states on one website that I'll be mercury, venus, and mars in capricorn after i once hit 25 after my birthday November 26th which i just calculated only a few days to see how my chart changes on November 28th, but in my solar return my moon is either going to be in aries or leo and venus will be in scorpio. I want to be able to understand because it is not of human nature to live 2-3 lives all at the same time, we all as humans only have and live one life. I'm kinda confused and i just wanna follow one chart on top of my birth chart for a while not for a year or months. If you can't answer all, that is also fine i will try to figure this out a different way. Thank you.

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Hello Mia Smile

I have the exact same birthday as you! Albeit, I've got quite a few more years on the clock!!!

Ok. Basics. 

Your birthchart is your basic "cosmic fingerprint". Let's say you have the Moon in Pisces in your natal chart... Whatever happens in life, your instinctive emotional impulses will remain the same, but these responses can and will be modified to express their highest vibration as you go through life and face certain challenges. An example of this is, if a person with a Moon in Pisces can't cope with emotional pain, they may often turn to drink or drugs during their youth as a means of escape. As such an approach doesn't deal with the emotional response in a healthy way, as they get older they may find more beneficial ways of expressing that empathic, compassionate energy, which is indicated by... 

Your progressed chart...

These charts indicate how you are likely to change year in, year out, as your birthchart evolves. So, being a Sun sign Sag, as your progressed Sun moves into Capricorn, you will change in subtle ways, insomuch that you may become more ambitious, slightly more serious, and express the other qualities demonstrated by this sign. You will still be a Sag, but with a Capricorn flavour added to it! The progressed chart will also reveal life lessons coming up that your soul has signed up to.

Your Solar Return chart is effectively your "year ahead", showing you what opportunities and challenges you will be facing for that coming year. Unlike your natal chart, which is fixed, your progressed charts and solar Return charts are usually only valid for the year in question. They have an expiry date, as it were.

If, in your progressed chart (and this is just a random example), you were due to get married because your progressed Jupiter had become exact with your natal Venus in the 7th house, your Solar Return chart would assist in identifying what opportunities and challenges you would face in making that marriage take place. So, in the Solar Return, some of the planets could make aspects to your natal planets in particular houses, suggesting that there may be a few problems with your new in-laws. This is just a basic example, but it's simply to illustrate how the charts work.

Honestly, you don't have to live 3 separate lives, as these charts all work together. If you really are concerned about the next year, it is probably worth consulting an experienced Astrologer, like Elsa. This isn't a shameless plug, but she would be able to put it all in layman's terms for you and put your mind at rest.

I hope that helps?

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J Smile

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@jswtrinity thank you very much Justin it helps a bit more, its just a lot of information in general, not from you or others but generally in life. Im glad this helped me Smile

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@glitterkushsoul You are most welcome Mia. We're all on a journey and it's nice to help others on their way, where we can. There are some wonderful resources for learning Astrology on Elsa's site and quite a few others, for that matter, if you have the time. It's a subject where you can never know it all and we always come across something new, even at my time of life. Astrology can seem overwhelming at first, but it does flow after a while, as you'll see if you stick with it. Whatever the journey ahead of you, trust it will be OK... and you will get through the hard times when they make an appearance in your life. I get the impression most of us here are battle hardened veterans of the Pluto boot camp and we're all still trucking along. Sincerely wishing you all the best and if you have further questions, don't ever be afraid to ask. We're all students in the study of life, eh?

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Hi Mia, welcome

I really like Justin's response post explaining things the different charts and techniques.

Your Natal Chart shows the natal promises (that is, potential things that can happen in one's life) as well as your talents, needs, strengths and challenges. It helps to understand what your different planetary placements and dynamics (e.g. Sun in Sagittarius or the aspects between planets or in what houses your planets are placed...) mean so you can live a fulfilling life by living your chart..

Then the Progressed Chart helps things - in the natal chart - materialise. For example a natal Venus sextile Moon aspect can then result in something nice for the person when their progressed Moon conjuncts their natal Venus.

Also the unfolding of the Progressed Chart can help find more balance in terms of planetary aspects and dynamics (e.g. the person with a natal Sun square Mars aspect gets help when their progressed mars trines their natal sun - they learn how to balance more that natal square which surely can give problems.)

The Solar Chart is erected for each year and the location for the chart is usually the place of birth although many many many people like to use the location of the place where they will be on their birthday (some people may travel to another location to have the planets fall in specific houses in the natal chart.) There are different theories and points of view regarding what location to use.

I check my solar chart as a guide of what the coming year might bring (challenges, energies, focus, possibilities) and in my case I use it with the predictive technique of Profections.

(I posted this again as I don't know what happened with the format of the previous post.)

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@cris I love your take on it, especially with regards to the aspects the progressed chart makes to the natal planetary placements and aspects. Having a chart with many squares and oppositions, it explains why, what should seemingly appear to be a positive transit/progression in my chart, ends up being a challenge because it's been irritated by another planet's energy. I'm really taken by the breadth of knowledge here, it's truly wonderful. Thank you Smile

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@jswtrinity

You say 'Having a chart with many squares and oppositions, it explains why, what should seemingly appear to be a positive transit/progression in my chart, ends up being a challenge because it's been irritated by another planet's energy.'

Totally. I will have the example I mentioned (progressed Mars will trine natal Sun in a year whilst natally my Mars actually squares my Sun) and I know that I'll learn some new and helpful ways of dealing with the natal Sun-Mars square issues because of the progressed trine aspect...but I'm aware that the natal aspect is still a square so I'll see what transpires.

I've been catching up with some of the books I purchased some months back (like Charles E.O. Carter's 'Principles of Astrology'), hence I'm writing down all the upcoming aspects from the progressed planets (in my progressed chart) to my natal planets but only in those cases where the two planets making the progressed-to-natal aspect are actually natally linked in my natal chart as then an event or a significant life change or redirection will take place.

Robert Blaschke in his 'Progressions' book mentioned Carter's 'Law of Excitation' (check it out) so I've got the upcoming progressions noted down so I can then check out if the transiting planets do activate the progressed-to-natal aspects. Carter (regarding the Law of Excitation) said that the trigger for an event would be a transiting planet/planets that is one (or both) of the planets actually involved in the progression. Example - in my case with the progression mentioned - the progressed Mars trining my natal Sun - I'd be looking at transiting Mars or transiting Sun aspecting either my progressed Mars or my natal Sun within a reasonable orb.

(Post edited to properly spell Blaschke's surname.)

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@cris Thank you Cris, I really appreciate you taking the time to write that. Ironically, I've been looking at "triggers" again recently, as a wise Astrologer once informed me that "exact" aspects, either in the natal, progressed, SR or under the sky right now, don't necessarily elicit their effects until they are triggered by a luminary in hard aspect to the position, or by Mars, for example. So, with the Jupiter Saturn conjunction coming up, it will be interesting to see if it demonstrates its effect on the actual day, or when the Moon perfects a hard contact to that point a day or few later. Thank you so much for the head's up about the literature, and I will certainly check it out, as well as adopting your methods for monitoring progressions. This year, I have a progressed Venus square to my natal Sun and Saturn, which are natally in opposition to one another, with the progressed Venus being supported in a friendly sextile from its natal position, alongside Mercury. I'm interested in seeing how this will play out, especially with transit Pluto having taken firm residence in my 7th.

Thanks again, it's really very kind of you to share your knowledge, experiences and methodology in this area.

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And I thank you too for sharing your knowledge here in the forum and in this post. I learn lots and remember lots from reading here.

Mars is a good trigger. I see you and I will be studying our progressions to learn about about activations of aspects. 

Quickly looked at my books on progressions this weekend and one author (can't recall which one) said the transiting Sun is a good trigger too. 

(Just edited the post to say for now I'm focussing only on progressions mirroring a pair or a group of planets connected natally in my chart.)

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@cris Yes, I was aware that the Sun is also a trigger. Basically, I was told it's any of the inner planets, including Mars, but most are usually activated by the Moon or the Sun because they are two of the fastest and always direct. To be honest, I've never really studied activations too deeply, but it has explained why certain events didn't happen on the dates they were supposed to in my life. Now that it's been brought to my attention again, I may well look back at some ephemera and see what aspects all the transiting planets were making to those pivotal points in my own personal history. Transit Pluto conjunct natal Venus will be a belter, because I remember the dates of the events of that nightmare playing out like it was yesterday, and I know they didn't roll out on the days of exactitude, which confused me for quite some time.

I've got to admit, I'm loving this, being amongst my own kind. And yes, it will be great to exchange notes and observations with you. Truly. Many thanks Smile

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@cris thank you as well for sharing your answers, i do apologize that you had to repost, as soon as i signed up and posted i was banned for a few hours i don't know why. I talked to elsa and she unbanned me. It was a strange thing i guess I Dont Know

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@glitterkushsoul

That sounds like a Mercury retrograde thing, possibly.

I thought my first post reply to your post didn't go through in the normal format hence I reposted the same text again, maybe a Mercury retrograde issue too or simply my fault, lol.

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@cris ah, i see lol no worries i wish retrograde was over to be honest

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Just a thought Mia...

If you draw up a Solar Return chart for this birthday coming (Astro.com have a pretty good tool for this), set the place of the Solar Return for where you know you are going to be on that day. Astro will automatically time the event for this coming birthday, rather than you having to plug the numbers in. As Cris mentioned, you can change the house positions of the Solar Return by making sure that you are in a different location, but it often means travelling quite some distance to elicit the effect you may want. I've never actually done it to see if it works, so I'm not really qualified to comment. When it comes to the chart, many here are keen on Equal house, rather than Placidus, but either works. Personally, I've reverted back to Equal because it's less faff and more than accurate enough from experience.

Once you've done that, create a progressed chart for around the same date, as that will give you an equal starting point for the coming year too.

You mentioned that you may be moving? The Moon and the fourth house are related to home and roots, so any aspects that are made to these points in the natal chart by the SR, or by progression (e.g. Moon progressing into the 4th of the natal chart from the 3rd when overlaid), can often indicate a move of residence. So too can planets like Uranus, which would mean that the move will either be sudden or disruptive, for example.

We share a similar Solar Return, as many of the aspects, other than to the Angles (i.e. ASC, DSC, IC & MC, because these are determined by location) reveal that there will be a Cardinal T-square in effect on our birthday that will colour the entire year. Uranus (Sudden change, shocks, innovative moves, genius) in Taurus will be opposing Venus (Love, values) in Scorpio (the challenge) in a square aspect to Saturn (Pruning, discipline, restriction, structure, etc.) in Capricorn. This challenge, depending on the houses they fall into in your natal chart, will require a balance between the Uranus and Venus energies that can be solved by using the strengths of Saturn. Saturn is being supported by friendly aspects from the Sun, Neptune and Mercury, so whatever challenge you may face will be supported by utilising these energies alongside the Saturnian ones. 

The Moon and Mars in Aries will be in a square aspect to Pluto Jupiter and Saturn, which probably means a bit of a roller coaster ride this year (Sorry, I'm facing exactly the same) and, of course, these planets are also square to Venus in Scorpio, due to its close proximity to Libra (It's only 5degress into Scorpio at this point). That could imply that some values (Venus) and emotions (Moon) and drives/desires (Mars) are going to be irritated by Plutonian, Jupiterian and Saturnian influences. I'm sorry I can't be more specific, but I don't know how these will affect you personally without a bit of background or details. The good news? The Moon will change signs before Mars does, which should mean it will be a happy outcome because a lower benefic being the first to change signs before the lesser malefic means all should go well... in theory. Like a lot of these things, if some of it is already chiming with you, knowing in advance may help you to manage whatever comes up more calmly and confidently because you will be ahead of the game, as it were.

As for the timings, these are affected by current transits, often by the personal planets like the Sun, Moon, Mercury, etc. If the Sun makes a transit to your progressed moon entering your fourth house, for example, that may well be a date when you move house, but it could also be triggered by Venus making an aspect, or the Moon, or some other planet. Sometimes, the events indicated by the chart are only seen in hindsight, as even seemingly innocuous transits can elicit an effect in my experience... but that's because I'm still very much a student in this field and by no means an authority!

I hope that helps you out a little?

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@jswtrinity definitely, thank you for your response. if its comfortable between this thread I'm going to go ahead and share my birth chart so i can give you guys a view of myself and the changes. If thats okay because this is a lot of information to cover lol. 

 

 

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I don't have a problem with that Mia but, for your own safety, I would strongly recommend that you remove as many personal details as possible from any charts before uploading them. Call me Paranoid but, to quote Uncle Archie from RocknRolla... "You never know who's watching!" Nonoise Shocked

On that basis, it might be an idea not to upload the SR, unless you can remove the location. Uploading the image to Paint, or something similar, will allow you to erase anything you create with the print screen function on your computer. 

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@jswtrinity ok and well i have a old screenshot of my birth chart there's nothing like my location etc but ive only said my location only explaining in my story, so no worries. I know better Cool

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Hi Mia,

Any chance you could use the Print Screen button on your PC and save that image on your computer screen as a jpeg? I'm afraid I can't see any of the details because it's all a blur. From the info you give me, I'll knock up some of the charts and do what I can to interpret them sometime over the next few days.

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@jswtrinity if you tap on the picture Mia posted it should pop up and it's more clear.

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@osiris-wife Thank you Smile I didn't think of that. I can feel a "Doh!" moment on its way! Lol

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