I just finished a consult for a gal with Neptune aspecting her natal Mercury Mars conjunction. It's an interesting combo - sharp and sensitive.
Do you have something like this in your chart? Do you know what I mean? Have you run across it?
Intuitive (Neptune) fighting (Mars) and strategy (Mercury)!??
Her Mars and Mercury are in the 9th like mine, but in a different sign. So I have a good understanding of how this functions but she has a strong aspect to Neptune, which I lack (or am spared, who knows).
When I use my imagination, you've got to have some flow to that sharp mental energy. Her conjunction is in a masculine sign and house and Mars involved. When you mix this with Neptune.. well it made me think of "sentient AI" but Uranus is not involved. It's like ethereal, feeling, speed of mind - no machine about it.
I think I have a research option in my software. I might see if I can search for these factors and see what charts pop up.
I think I know what you mean. My 12th house Mars is in Gemini, so that adds up to a similar flavor, no? I also have Mercury in Gemini, in a yod-like formation with my moon, Pluto, and Neptune. Mercury is deceptively out of orb for the yod, but it’s all still tied together.
With regards to my 12th house predicament…. I have spent so much time thinking about my "Unconscious Mars," that I don't believe it can really be considered unconscious anymore. At this point, thanks to Astrology, I definitely know that my Mars is what it is. So then what?
I was triggered a few weeks ago, unbeknownst to me. I noticed when I started to lose my focus, and I was aware that I was headed into a tailspin, but I didn't know why. I tried my best to stop it by doing all of the ordinary things to try to resume balance, but I only sank deeper and deeper, until I was completely defeated and depressed by the end of last week. Turns out, I wasn’t making the mental connection to what had set me off and caused me to shut down in the first place. It took me about three weeks to realize that I had been triggered at all. I’m starting to remember more instances in the past when I had zero awareness that my unwanted behaviors were caused by external factors because I allowed the negative energy to fester within myself.
Then I came to a realization that I have a way of bypassing anger, and going straight to forgiveness – which sounds great, like an expert at transcendence, but is it truly forgiveness if I never consciously experienced anger? And how might I be mistreating people while my anger is out at sea? Now I’m reflecting on my unhealed trauma and trying to learn how I can deal with it better in the future – actively learning ways to locate/identify/express my Mars energy, even if it remains shrouded in some way. That’s where I’m at right now with my Mars-Mercury-Neptune can of worms.
@cocopeaches you're the second person this week, mention concern over a 12th house Mars. I think there is some bad intel out there.
The 8th house would be associated with subconscious at whatever level. Mars in 7th or Libra, projects.
There are other scenarios that might indicate lack of consciousness of your own anger but I don't think Mars in the 12th is one of them.
Cripes. More like driven to sacrifice.
@elsa Hmmm, this is giving me deja vu… I think you’ve already tried once in the past, to correct me about associating the subconscious with the 8th and not the 12th. For some reason it didn't stick, and I went straight back to my misunderstanding of the 12th house.
You have written about misplaced anger due to Mars in 12th house/Pisces, and I guess that seems like unconscious/pathological behavior to me, but maybe I’m misinterpreting you. Self-undoing and addiction also equate to subconscious behavior, in my mind. So that could be where I’m getting mixed up. I don’t know.
I guess since my 12th house is ruled by Gemini, I have ideas about my mind being hidden, or hidden/trapped parts of my mind. And with Mars there, which represents the body, and more specifically the head… it’s like my brain has a sort of auto-pilot? I don’t quite know how to explain it, and I may be sounding crazy… I figured that the best term for it is "the subconscious,” but maybe I’m talking about something else, like my soul? Or what you're calling, sentient intelligence? Or, demons???
The placement does seem to capture my experience of having psychological trauma trapped in my body, due to injury+amnesia. I struggle with the frustration of trying to heal from a traumatic event of which I have no conscious memory... just physical scars and symptoms of broken-heartedness. I know that I need healing, but it's seems the only way to access the root is to engage with triggers as they arise, and I'm just getting tired of the disruptions in my life from this pattern. I just found a book called, Healing from the Consequences of Accident, Shock and Trauma and it is providing me with some new insights.
Sure as shit, every time I gain insights from this pain of mine, I’m able to pass the knowledge along to a certain person in my life who is up against much larger challenges, and more pain, than I have ever faced. It seems to help her, or at least comfort her in some way, so I’m glad for that. It does drag me down though. But I have more tools to pull myself up than she does, so it seems worth it.
Trying to operate (Mars), with so many distractions (Gemini), and a general lack of boundaries (12th house), is a lot. Not to mention the oppositions to Uranus and Saturn that I have as well.
Anyway, thank you for your response. I hope I didn’t get too far off topic with my thoughts. I’m always wanting to talk about my 12th house Mars in Gemini, so I couldn’t help myself from barging in on this thread.
I have Mars conjunct Neptune in my 1st house in Libra semi-sextile to Mercury in Scorpio. My Neptune has always operated as a moderator for the aggressiveness of Mars. I think about the right way to say things without ruffling too many feathers. The semi-sextile from Mercury that I have isn't that strong of an aspect, but it does make me consider how my reactions will change my life. I weigh all things.
I recall you, Elsa, in 2015 stating that this sort of energy was "the fog of war", but this was more specific to a Piscean and Aries stellium at that time.
My son was born at this time.
Semisextiles are not heavily considered, no?
@darkaquarian there are a lot of ways Mars in Pisces plays. You can transcend your anger for one thing. You can be quite tricky as well. The ultimate hidden enemy. But you can also be your own worst enemy.
I usually tell people it's like shooting an arrow under water. The current can bring it around and it can hit you in the head!