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I talked to a friend today, she said both she and her husband felt very tired. Hours later, I also feel insanely drained. I realized this is the tide going out.

Mercury Neptune too. Time slips away... but it also appears at times and I guess the important things are in fact, getting done. But jeez. I just want to lie down!

Heat-up dinner tonight and I don't even want to do that.

Can you relate?

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Yup!

very tired, gladly i didn’t have to cook. I had left overs.

mars in Gemini 24 degrees 9th.

o the plus side, I sleep like a baby the past few weeks . And haven’t slept this good in years ! 

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Is it the Pluto station? Full moon building too! 

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@sophiab could be. I didn't think of that. Thanks.

I feel the energy draining. If this keeps up, I'm going to have shut down for a few days. Could be a Lupus thing. I haven't felt like this in a long time. No identifiable cause.

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@elsa Oh yes! But I have this natally so I definitely feel it now. I have to talk myself into exercising, cleaning or doing paper work. Like you Elsa, I just want to lay down! This is not always the case but as you say, it comes and goes with the tides/moon phases even. 🥱

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@dawn 

You mean some people DON'T have to talk themselves into exercising, cleaning, or doing paperwork???

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@warped yep! Look at Cardinal and Fire signs. They seem to hardly ever, from what I have noticed, have trouble starting anything! But of course they may have days. For me it’s daily.

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@dawn 

I'm Aries Sun and Mercury, Cap Rising and Mars -- perhaps the 12th house Mars squaring Mercury keeps me in avoidance mode!  

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@warped Quite possibly. It could keep your fire a bit more on the down low or hidden from your own self even- or just not wanting to deal with the striving. My Mars/Neptune is in a Water sign in the 12th house so triple whammy!

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@elsa I'm doing energy clearing meditations every night before bed atm. I recommend it, especially if you are sharing energy with a lot of people.

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glub glub🌊🏊‍♀️💦💧🐟 Some folks say that it’s in Scorpio is not as watered down as it might be for say Cancer or Pisces but not being either, I couldn’t say? 
anyone else have this natally that has been feeling this more strongly lately? 

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I'm exhausted. Every day, I fall asleep around 8 am in front of the TV. Ok, I'm more summer child, warmth and sun lift me up, when it's cold, I'm for nothing. But, people these days... What's wrong with everyone? What is this? Going behind my back, laying to my face, especially women at work. Okay, they were always this "high school click", I never fitted in, especially not in that kind of behavior, but one day they are talking with me, and the rest of the week I'm on ignore list. Fine, nothing new, but going behind my back, planning assignments, and not telling me anything, and those changes have everything to do with my team and my work. Why is it so hard to be honest and do the right thing? I understand, sometimes you have to pick the right time and place, and be tactical, but besides such a situation, what is wrong with people?

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@dori I've had some problems with a woman at work recently - well in the "virtual/remote" work place, we don't meet in person. It's weird because I've actually not had much to do with her directly in ages, and we usually get along pretty well when we have meetings and end up chatting, but I think recently she feels threatened by me somehow and she started up a whole drama about how I respond to clients by email, sending one I wrote to the CEO, then involving the managing director and getting him to have a meeting with me about it (in a nutshell the email was too involved and helpful lol). Meanwhile I have tried to follow her exacting requests in how I respond or forward certain queries to her as she has asked, but I noticed she doesn't respond to some of these client emails for up to a month, then passes them to someone else (the managing director) so the person is left waiting which looks bad for the company. Now she is arranging things with the managing director so that I basically get cut out of the whole client support element. I had to be 'trained' by him twice already now with another upcoming training, and I ended up showing him how to do things as he is fairly new. I've been dealing with clients for a year, no problem and suddenly all of this bs. I half don't take it seriously because I know it's all in her head due to insecurity/ego and i think she's basically gone nuts recently (like a lot of other people, I must add!) but I am annoyed about her trying to tarnish my reputation with others and it has made me feel insecure and second guessing myself when I write to clients. Fortunately, I am in good stead with the CEO and managing director to the point the latter stepped in and protected me from having a bs meeting with her. Anyway, just wanted to share with you and sympathise. My opinion is that its Saturn in Aquarius literally driving people mental and blocking their already weak heart chakras, which makes them mean and going in the direction of sociopathy.

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@sophiab agree on the sociopathy. I am reading a book.. well, trying to read a book, in part concerned with the small number or psychopaths, spreading their ways to the people around them who become sociopathic, though it's not organic.

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@sophiab she is definitely threatened by you, 100%, otherwise she would have never sent an email to the CEO. How can you be so calm? Smile I wouldn't yell at her, but definitely I wouldn't be so understanding. And yes, you are very lucky to have the CEO and another director, who clearly can understand the situation. But this, this is what I'm talking about. Stabbing, undermining work, it all comes from where? I gave up for my sake on Friday. Remember, I was writing about my SIL? Well, we work together, in the same company, and they are friends. They weren't on good terms for months, but, after this summer, it changed and now they are friends again (sometimes I feel they act like this is Beverly Hills, it looks like that, I swear), and since they are okay again, she is talking less with me. Before like you and your colleague, we were chatting, laughing, and helping each other, now she has a different attitude. It wouldn't surprise me, that the two of them exchanged "something" about me. Anyway, on Friday, I said, okay, here you go, I'll give you another team member, and the rest of the work, I'll do it by myself. My CEO doesn't have a clue what's going on and I'm trying not to get her involved in all this mess. 

Good that you are so stable and calm, good for you, I'll try it too, but for now I'm having huge drama in my head, huge. Leo Moon is on the stage. Smile

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@dori Your situation includes some elements that intensify it - 1. Your SIL who you currently have longstanding saga of negativity with, this is family related which takes it up many levels! 2. Two women working against another woman creating one of those unpleasant triangles (I've had that happen in a houseshare, it's horrible). So I can understand you maybe feel persecuted and the SIL situation is just ongoing painful.

I can tell you, the other week I was ranting a lot and tearful (Pisces Moon!), feeling victimised, but recently I've had the thought that if I get frozen out of doing client support, I will have more time for more interesting work. On Friday the managing director gave me a flow chart designed with this lady to show me how to deal with different types of client issues. All the flows in the chart end up with me sending the email to her/him! I was supposed to be helping her with her work load, but if my job is now to send them all to her - fine! I'm going to let go of this area in my head and focus on something else, perhaps you can also find a way to benefit that isn't directly obvious from their drama. 

Yesterday it was funny because an email came in and I followed the flow chart and sent it to them, and then they started arguing amongst themselves over protocol. I'm tempted to chip in and say.. hmm you need to add that to the flow chart!!! It's definitely nothing to do with real "flow". 

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@sophiab sometimes when we write things that are happening to both of us, I can't help to notice that we are going through similar or even the same things. I decided the same actually as you. Sometimes it's hard to let go, but better things await. I'll try to do like you, let go and focus on something else because I'm so tired of drama. I need to do so because I'm tired of relationships with other people. for me, it's not easy to let go, but I have to. And I thing that this letting go of things will result in the same as in your case. It will cause fights and dealing with things they know how to handle. I like team work, but I also tend to know better my team members, not just how they are capable to work, but who they really are, I think it's important. Some of my colleagues don't think that's important at all. Thank you for being calm and rational, it made an impact on me Smile

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@dori off topic, sorry. But I think you sent me a question. I tried to respond from two email addresses but my mails were refused.

 

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@dori Glad what I wrote helped - some thoughtful solidarity shared between us! 

I think there may be collective trends in this. I read an astrologer recently saying that it is a time to rely on ourselves more. I think this could be read as developing self-integrity. 

I see a situation occurring where I feel isolated and threatened, almost jeopardised by the behaviours of others in the group (noting that it's a woman at the centre of the issue. The managing director is more sensitive, reflective, but out of his depth here) . I first react by leaning towards an old pattern/habit of feeling victimised and persecuted - socially bullied, but then analyse the situation more deeply by assessing the whole picture and re-position the scene based on my self knowledge (real experience of myself). Obviously because others are involved I have self doubt (perhaps "they" know better, childhood perspective). Lots of back and forth and questioning of what is real in my head. In the process I'm developing self-trust and integrity. The process feels lonely and uncomfortable, especially standing separate to others, and facing inner doubt, but there are rewards.

I don't think it means not being connected to people or not relating, more that the relationship to ourselves can be developed so we become our own authentic ally, and that likely improves our relationships with others longterm, and thus the quality of group interaction and endeavours. 

What I mean is, these dramas seem to be about a projection of self-betrayal onto an "other". This acts to deflect the persons awareness of their own self failures or consistent failing away from their ego (eg their idea or notion of who they are) eg. My lady knows that her laziness and failure to take responsibility for clients emails, to do her job really well and take responsibility has been exposed by me. I exposed it because I approach the work with more self integrity (that naturally involves responsibility). It's likely your own approach has similarly exposed self failure in your colleagues, which they then project. Your integrity has necessitated a contrast. Would you say your success at work is because of your own attitude which is currently different from others? 

With Saturn in Aquarius groups are obviously highlighted, and also coming up against longstanding collective patterning (ego based: win-lose, strong-weak, victim-bully) that actually works against the group's aims and the wellbeing of the members of the group. The workplace is ripe for these outdated patterns to be exposed! 

I see so much ego in play by members of the group at the expense of the integrity of the group project, and the integrity of the individuals involved. My ego has definitely been triggered by these projections of self-failure and lack of integrity (self-responsibility) and Ive been drawn into a spell of questioning and doubt. I'm not as ego driven in these group situations, as my focus is on the project at large and I'm also interested in creativity!

I've written alot but I'm trying to gain perspective based on the astrology as I've found it hard to grasp the Saturn in Aquarius transit in a constructive way and our conversation is helping! 

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@dori I meant to add, with your having a Leo moon, this dynamic may feel even more personal and directly connected to your challenges in life. Being your true self in the group. 

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Yeah - feel like a limp noodle.

Luckily I dont have drastic deadlines for for important things, but I wonder how far this can go. Sort of scary.

Perhaps it's the switching of seasons - but it gets worse evey year!

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