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Rapunzelsoldierfish
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I bought a laser pointer to play with my cat before bed to simulate hunting so she doesn't loudly "hunt" at 5AM in the morning - it worked! She's happy and I'm getting my sleep.

But it feels wrong to me!

I'm some kind of puppeteer with a fake prey, moving it all around while she thinks she's hunting something real.

It kind of reminded me of someone doing a crappily paying 9-5 job that benefits someone else. This isn't what humans were meant to do. It's not a real human experience, like how that laser pointer wasn't a real prey. 

When did it become the norm for the human experience to be so fake?

With COVID changing the landscape of the workforce, could we break out of this, maybe when Pluto's in Aquarius? 

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I was just talking to my husband about how so much of our culture is top down, instead of originating in some kind of authenticity. It's so sad. I know what you mean. Pretty sure it's been years and years and years. At this point it reached nearly everything.

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Isn't it to do with wanting security? A 9-5 job comes with a paycheck that is determinable. This pays for the mortgage/rent and a certain lifestyle, dependant on the amount of course. People create a bubble of security but it also involves a sacrifice which is their authenticity. For your cat, she is safe from potential harm. If she was hunting outside in the early hours there is more risk involved. Although cats wouldn't frame it like that lol! To help things change people would need to learn to adapt to tolerating greater levels of uncertainty. Because of the changes taking place in the world this opportunity is at least more available and I think more people are considering their options, which is really good. 

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@sophiab It really does all come down to survival vs. authenticity... what a straight-forward way to frame that idea

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What an interesting discussion and sign of the times.

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The other day, I saw an article on how AR (augmented reality) will replace smartphones in 10 years, and that anyone not willing to get on board will find themselves left behind. In other words, if you can’t get comfortable spending 90% of your time with your eyes on a screen (wearing special AR googles, Metaverse-style) you won’t be able to see store prices, make transactions, or do much else. Mark Zuckerberg sees physical meetings being replaced with people being virtually teleported to meetings. (He also predicts we will all live in the virtual world more than the real world in a few years. Aren’t we already there with everyone staring at their cell phones and communicating through social media?)

I wonder what happens to those of us not willing to live in an artificial world all the time. 

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@notmycircus Sometimes I feel it's just a bunch of narcissists telling you 'it's my way or the highway' with the media reporting this viewpoint. There are so many of us who have survived being the victims of narcissists, extracated ourselves from their controlling mind games and actions, and have no wish to live our life by any of their rules. I feel like there is an underestimation of the amount of people who see through this narcissistic bs and energetically are untouchable. If you've ever gone 'no contact' with a narcissist then you will experience a range of behaviours and dyanamics which you kind of have to survive and come out the other side of. They go apeshit basically and will do what ever it takes to get you back onside - under their control. I am currently using my more personal lived experience (from the past) and applying it to what is happening in society.

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@notmycircus I'll let you know 😉

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I like what C Austin Fitts has said relating to this, which basically is that we do not need them.  If we realize that, we have already won.  It relates to the idea of creating parallel societies and keeping things small, regional as much as possible, and real.

@ sophiab.  OMG yes.  I did not realize the extent of my experience until I found myself in a bad work situation from which it took 1.5 years to extricate myself.  Looking back, I realize that I experienced PTSD the entire time.  That's when I knew my teen & early adult years with a narcissistic parent and complicated step-parent relationships had made a deep and lasting mark.  If someone is about to interact with me and they have that vibe or energy that fuels the facade...I know it before I even look up.  Bizarre.  It's like "keep walking, 'cause I'm not buying any of it."

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@carly42 I think we're all affected by this on some level, and go through these experiences in order to be able to get free. Getting free is really hard when society normalises abusive behaviour. There is a part where, in walking away, you sort of feel a survivors guilt, but once you pass through it, you don't return to it because you realise that looking after yourself and getting stronger is what's important.

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