I have Saturn on my mind. Literally, though! It's now in my 3rd house.
There's a familiarity to it that I do not like at all. Many insecurities and self-limiting thoughts I experienced when it was in the 12th and 1st house have popped back up to the surface.
The last year of it being in my 2nd house was great - I was in hardcore money-saving mode and loving it (as strange as that sounds) and I found some great mentors, including Elsa of course!
When Saturn entered my 3rd house, I started spending money like crazy. And my newly gained confidence dwindled away and I feel a bit lethargic. I know there's a light side to this, of course, so I am hopeful! Thank God for Astrology!
What are your experiences with Saturn house transits? Where did Saturn feel the most comfortable or uncomfortable for you?
PS: I am now seeing concrete proof of the accuracy of the Equal Houses system!
Look up this song: Saturn by Sleeping at Last. That is Saturn for me.
@vdn Thank you! I am really needing a positive perspective of Saturn right now. This song has a lot of power to it.
My go to book for Saturn transits, is Liz Greene's, in fact the spines now broken off of it! You can look up Saturn in 3rd and Saturn in Gemini. It's for the natal has good application to transits.
I've got Saturn in my 5th atm. It's kind of painful but that's because of the Aquarius energy in a house which shows something of how you were received or got support for your creative self expression, in the sense of your solar energy, when you started out. Aqua for me just has so many traumatic implications so I'm facing this anew in order to overcome it. There's growth but it hurts.
With Saturn the implication for any transit seems to involve directly facing realities but growing or maturing through the process. Could that be better in certain houses, cardinal perhaps? I think it's always hard. Would also depend on the natal - so to look at the natal Saturn and for 3rd house transit, what's your Mercury situation?
@sophiab Thank you, this is very helpful to know, particularly about Saturn in Gemini. I notice when Saturn's placement in a sign is discussed, there are extra highlights of the positive (perhaps more than when discussing its transit through a house). I am really wanting to latch onto everything positive with Saturn right now!
I'm sorry to hear about your painful experience of Saturn in the 5th. Creative self expression is such a personal, delicate topic so I see how there could be difficult reminders of how this may have been criticized in the past. Do you find that there is pain while you engage in those creative pursuits?
As for my Mercury situation,
-I have Mercury in Aries in the 5th house squaring Neptune (that sounds really loaded!).
-I have Venus and Chiron in Gemini.
-MC in Virgo.
I feel like there could be an opportunity to heal some insecurities with communication since Chiron is involved. There are definite insecurities around verbal communication from childhood - thinking I sound dumb, hating the sound of my voice. Public speaking terrifies me to the point of literally going numb and tingly in the extremities. Perhaps some healing using creative expression since Mercury is in the 5th house.
Reading your insightful comment below on the benefit of focusing on the attributes of the natal mercury sparked my above conclusion - hopefully I'm not way off base!
@rapunzelsoldierfish You caught my drift exactly. I have Moon in Pisces like you and it influences the way I do astrology, playing with layers of meaning, intuition led, feel it out. There isn't an exact way, more connecting, layering, playing with the info in the chart.
Seems like you have strong Mercury signature. I really like Mercury in Aries because it bestows an extremely unique way of thinking, speaking, writing. Because it can be idiosyncratic and new (new ideas) , other people don't always understand and find the person obtuse, but they're just creating their own paradigm through thinking/ideas. Also I like the element of play/humour and sometimes very direct or blunt speech. Children with this placement I suspect would meet weird reactions and responses and feel they were wrong but no! I think the Saturn transit can help develop your voice. 5th House is an extra layer of creativity to that placement.
Vis a vis my Aqua 5th house, I find there is a lot of shame attached to self expression, including creativity, which has been stymied. I think it ties in to my father's (Sun) insecurities which he passed along. It has been very hard for me to 'exist' as a creative individual without a sense of oppression and ridicule. I'm in the process of reexperiencing the roots of that, the internal implications - how I sustain the oppression mentally/emotionally, and getting a chance to push passed it. Its about breaking through victimisation at the hands of a group - the cult of family!
@rapunzelsoldierfish Btw, I know you work with kids, which is a great example of Mercury in Aries 5th. Have you heard of the British paediatrician/psychoanalyst Donald Woods Winnicott? He had Mercury in Aries and he had an amazing gift for working with children. He invented the 'sqiggle' game where, in therapy sessions with children, he would start drawing a doodle and then ask the child to develop it. They would 'play' together in this way and he would be able to discover elements from their unconscious functioning which then supported the treatment. He is incredibly famous within psychoanalysis for the many 'original' (Aries) concepts he developed, one of them being around the notions of play, creativity, etc. He did a lot of broadcasting on radio, and writing, and he focused much of his efforts on explaining things to the wider community, new mothers, schools, institutions, as well as writing highly sophisticated psychoanalytic texts.
Actually writing that has got me thinking, it could be beneficial to consciously focus and invest in the planet which is the traditional ruler of the house during the Saturn transit - as a sort of counterbalance. So to really focus on your natal Mercury and what that might represent for you. For me it would be my Sun (so Taurus/ruled by Venus/natal 8th h activities). Focusing on this energy may help with the pressure coming from Saturn.
You taught me the courage of stars before you left How light carries on endlessly, even after death With shortness of breath You explained the infinite And how rare and beautiful it is to even exist I couldn't help but ask for you to say it all again I tried to write it down, but I could never find a pen I'd give anything to hear you say it one more time That the universe was made just to be seen by my eyes I couldn't help but ask for you to say it all again I tried to write it down, but I could never find a pen I'd give anything to hear you say it one more time That the universe was made just to be seen by my eyes With shortness of breath I'll try to explain the infinite How rare and beautiful it is to even exist With shortness of breath I'll try to explain the infinite And how rare and beautiful it truly is that we exist
As with all other things astro, much depends on the natal. Eg. My husband is a Virgo rising, 14 degrees AC more or less. When Tr Saturn was on his IC, his father passed away.
His father and I never got along. We have Saturn in our midpoint composite 9th; we had v different world views.
Tr Saturn was in my 3rd, but so was Tr Pluto. I was having Pluto square simultaneously. Pluto is my chart ruler. Can’t really say who did the deed, but it was done.
Anyway when Tr Saturn conjunct his 5th cusp, our teenager started having serious issues. To summarise, she has been seeing a psych for coming on 3 years. We have had counselling, she has behavioural therapy.
Anyway, when this started my Saturn, which rules my 3rd and traditionally also my 4th, was still in my 3rd. It might have been quincunx my Moon and opposite my Sun. When Tr Saturn conjunct my IC, I too started therapy.
Tr Saturn in my 1st, I had my second child. I had tonnes of health issues, which I guess happens with older mothers. Tr Saturn and Tr Jupiter we’re in my 2nd simultaneously. That was an interesting experienced as BOTH manifested! So my finances got a boost, but so did my bills! ?
Very interesting, you have certainly kept track of all the specifics down to the details! It's so helpful to make sense of things like this in hindsight and benefits others!
I had Saturn and Pluto both in my 2nd house for the past 2 1/2 or however many years. I had a catalytic converter stolen from my car and needed to buy a new car in the same year that I had a 16% pay raise and a work schedule that rapidly increased, so it's like things balanced out. I never really made that connection until typing that just now. I'm relatively new to astrology (since 2017) so I'm always just a little amazed when astrology carries out so literally like this!
@rapunzelsoldierfish Me and my Aqua Astro buddy like to compare notes of transits. Obviously it affects us differently. But there are some general themes. Eg. Saturn in 3rd natally is associated with difficulty in early learning (I would say this period is until end of high school) or being the eldest, or communication itself being a difficulty. I’ve often found “all above applies” to most transits. Eg. My daughter has Saturn natally in her 3rd, opposite Merc conjunct chart ruler Venus on 9th cusp. This opposition squares Jupiter in her 5th.
She is a) the eldest b) conventional schooling is difficult c) tends to have very deep and well-reasoned communication. She doesn’t think she’s particularly smart, although she was doing 10th grade work in 5th grade; could also be a detrimented Sun issue. She’s an Aquarian.
Tr Pluto in your 2nd would have brought you complications with finances. The type of complication might be indicated by the sign the transit takes place in. Tr Saturn brings restrictions.
I find the outers like to behave like this: Eg. You have Tr Saturn in your 2nd. You can either be very careful with your finances by budgeting, cutting back on expenses etc etc OR if you do nothing, Tr Saturn will be an event external to you. So it’s like when you were a kid and your mother told you to clean up. You could either clean up and she would leave you alone or you could do nothing, in which case you would find a tonne of your precious stuff in the bin! ?
My observation with the outers anyway. ?
@estella The observation there is exactly why we are so blessed to know astrology!! We can be ahead of the ball game whatever planet wants to start for us!
@rapunzelsoldierfish Astrology has helped me to identify my challenges as well as my strengths. It has enabled me to see “the bigger picture of my life” and by extension, how it fits in with those around me. In difficult times, it has allowed me to look further ahead to easier periods. There’s is even “advice” in that; Eg. Uranus is where we should embrace change. Unpredictability. The masses. Youth. Technology.
What I’ve noticed with a planet’s energy is that “all above applies” is frequently what tends to happen. Eg. I have Tr Uranus hovering near my DC and going through my 7th. Let’s not even think about the square it makes to Tr Saturn in the 4th or my natal stellium in 10th. Let’s just consider Tr Uranus by itself in the 7th.
My husband has been going away monthly for work - then again he used to do that even with Tr Uranus in my 6th, which is everyday life. Just that now the absences appear to be regular. I deal with the masses via the internet (and also phone) for work. Unpredictability, especially due to them ‘Rona is par for the course. Because of my Aqua teenager, I typically have between 3 and 6 youth in my house, including her. I’m forever reminding them to pick up after themselves and not leave me mess. ?