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I read this statement from another astrologer. Do you agree?  Why or why not?

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I think Saturn gives you the burden you need to evolve. Looking at the world, I can't help but think that God delights in the evolution of individuality within the whole. Life needs to push against things to evolve. No that's not quite it. actually Life dies into itself and is born again to evolve.  

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That sounds a bit dramatic lol. i don't think an actual death is needed, though sometimes that's the occurance. I think the burden's enough to push you "past" your own will into it's surrender and you evolve as a result. 

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@jana ... I find it hard to describe Saturn's effects. It's like a restructuring, so as something is surrendered through acceptance, letting go, defeat sometimes, something else inside you is built. Its like an original structure which is too rigid or inflexible because it resists or denies something becomes stronger because those elements become recognised, accepted and integrated. With time being the key element.

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Interesting. Yes...structure and time def. Saturn.

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Hmm good question. Well , let me see. I don’t like Saturn. When Saturn conjuncted my IC my life made a turn after a break down in my family. It resulted in me moving from a toxic place with toxic people and finally quit my job. Still Pluto lingers in my 4th. And that causes stress. Saturn in my 3rd brought the worst in my sibling and acting out to me. It drained me. When Saturn moved on to the 4th he made me see I was in a codependent relationship with my sibling, when i moved I thought we’ll the worst is over. Nope! Gone to therapy , panic attacks and a lot of fear . Saturn in my 5th now, I don’t know. I’m suffering from PTSD , so I can’t tell what he does now in my 5th. 
It would be lovely if Saturn reward me for all the shit I’ve been gone trough. 

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@carmen I have Saturn transit my 5th currently and it is very much a Sun-Saturn transit, with it being Leo house traditionally, but we have Aquarius there - so it double emphasises the Leo-Aqua polarity. I've struggled to feel creative, joyful, to have fun and importantly to feel confident, self confident. Working in groups, I'm having to assert myself despite challenges and unpopularity when I act from my creative unique (Aqua) self. It's a bit isolating and hard work, I feel acutely self conscious and dull. I miss feeling confident, desire and love feelings are diminished. I am making a lot of ground though in terms of being more my true self, expressing myself, taking on more authority in groups-networks, proving myself. But I'm counting the months till its over because I'm very Venusian and love/hearts (Leo) all feels blocked or limited since it started in 2020. No fun, to sum up lol! Wonder if this resonates with you?

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@sophiab 

hi Sophia,

yes that resonates with me! FEELING DULL especially. I miss being the sunny Leo, I’m serious in making efforts for therapy. The confidence went out the room since 2020, don’t know where it’s gone lol. 

i experience it in friend relationships mostly. One friend started dating a much older man, and he’s wealthy. I was so happy for her, but she changed, being condescending towards me, feeling better than me. And I didn’t see it for a long time until my bf said , honey she’s envious of you. I said no she’s my best friend and she’s happy now. He was right and now I backed down. Isolating myself. Refusing to play her game.

 And I feel drained maybe that’s also Saturn , he left  opposing my sun but still lingers around my Jupiter in Leo. And Uranus in Scorpio.

i can’t wait for good old Saturn to leave my house. 
Im working parttime now because my dad has cancer and I help him. He’s doing much better .But hoping that next year good transits help me job wise. Saturn will then go into my 6th. 

you know Sophia maybe this is a better explanation: I feel damped, empty . Like I’m sitting in a dark room. 

good for you that you’re taking authority. And choose you! Instead choosing others. 

So I can safely say you are a libra rising too? 

carmen 

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@carmen Good to read of your experiences. Makes me feel less alone with this damped down transit!

I'm a very late Virgo rising so my houses are similar and I do sometimes read Libra rising horoscopes so that the transits match my houses properly!

I think with this transit affecting the Sun/heart energy it is difficult to see yourself as others see you and understand their reactions, particularly regarding your true self. It is growing stronger through this hard transit, but because the experience is so un-joyous and very defeating in feeling (despondant), it's harder to notice the changes occuring in you. But I had similar experiences working with people in groups. I couldn't understand why people were trying to undermine me quite obviously, but then I received the message that they were envious of some power I was exhuding merely by being honest and straightforward in my energy, like it had integrity that busted their pretence and threatened and worried them. Like you say, not playing a 'game'. The working world is based so much on games and unspoken energies. With this transit it seems you can't really engage in that. But it then means you have to get used to people hating or disliking you, which is very uncomfortable. It blasts away the people pleasing aspects in yourself and says, be true whatever occurs. It's very uncomfortable and I have noticed feeling a lot of shame about being my true self rather than pretending and going along with things. Ugh, it reveals a lot of shadow.

I really resonated with your descriptions - thank you for sharing! I am also curious about Saturn entering Pisces and the 6th house. I'm hoping it will allow a better integration of these energies over time.

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@sophiab o my , that is exactly what I’m feeling.. 

it makes me feel insecure because I notice their jealous feelings so I back down. My bf asked honey you seem changed. My neighbor told me her best friend felt insecure around me. So I asked my bf am I bitchy or mean ? He said no, your warm and kind, and some people can’t stand it because they want to be like that. Or they are simply very insecure. 
I don’t prefer to mingle with people in public these days. It’s better this way. 
I also experience the great need to be free , not relationship wise. But free like I feel caged. And I don’t have a clear future before me in my minds eye. Do you also experience that ? 

You are not alone, I’m here if you want to vent, or share experiences. 😊

Have a very nice day

Carmen

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@carmen It makes me think that the reactions of other people we're experiencing are a sign of growth. Albeit an uncomfortable one. I would rather be more myself even if it's not a smooth passage. Just takes getting used to. I also think it's about devloping self-responsibility and not passing things off to others as an easy way out in life. I'm not that sociable with this transit, it's too tiring - for a lot of time recently Saturn in Aqua is also squaring my Taurus Sun (it's having a mini rest atm but will be back before it leaves!) and that is very exhausting and consuming when it happens.

I do feel like I am on a steady path towards freedom to express myself. I've had some peak life experiences since this transit started - almost like dreams come true, but Saturn keeps holding/bringing me back to confinement and stuckness so it's really like the snakes and ladders board game - back to the beginning, although I'm sure its not the beginning but a diversion! At the moment I have understood that I need to get free of my own negative self-perceptions and critical self-judgment. Acceptance is a major theme right now, acceptance of myself warts n' all, and then that radiates out to acceptance of the world and other people - less judging, which all comes down to trying to control things, more, let them/it be.

Re: The future, I have no clue what's ahead. I really reached what feels like a no man's land. Sometimes its very depressing and worrisome, after achieving some great breakthroughs, but my sense is to maintain focus on what is important to my sense of self, threads that i've been building, keep continuity going, work hard. I'm working on developing my relationship to faith too, using my intuition and trying to stay positive. Some of what I'm describing here probably ties in with the square to Uranus as that is changing my Taurus energy.

Very complex transit all in all. Thanks for opening space for these friendly chats. 😊

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@sophiab 

wow I’m in awe. You express yourself so well, know what your hurdles are and how to cope with them. You can be proud of yourself. Really!

i know a lot of people who refuse to budge, who refuse to learn the lessons their transits teach them. 

i started therapy when Pluto was applying to my moon, and Saturn was already squaring it. I’m glad I started therapy. Not out of the woods yet. Still expect a lot of drama with stuff in my family with my sibling. And it makes my PTSD only worse . But I’ll plough trough.

since Uranus is or had conjuncted your sun , that should bring you higher awareness and that’s what I read in your post. When Saturn squared my sun while in Scorpio I felt restricted and weighed down. Like I was trapped, and I couldn’t find my way out of the situation . When Saturn in Aquarius (Uranus ruled) came things even got harder, but the hard transit did move me, moving me out of the situation. I don’t know your chart. But I can tell even tho you may not feel at times that your on the right path. Even with the bumps on the road. 
I like talking about experiences because it teaches me a lot, you can always find a friendly chat here with me. And on every subject. I can’t help myself and laugh now, but my dear cousin who is a Taurus loves to talk about food and we always talk about recipes and stuff. She’s strong and a hard worker and when I read your reply it reminds me of things she said last week. The squares suck, but they are there to be fixed. 

I look at the trines, they should make things a lot easier. At least it lessens the square energy. Like i said different angle. I’m Leo so my sun should square your sun but our convos are nice. It’s a big learning experience That’s for sure! 😊

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@carmen 

Yah, I hear you. Saturn can really sting. It rewards with wisdom and boundaries....but that's cold comfort when you are still hurting 🙁

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@jana cold comfort… the theme of my life. Saturn on the I.C.

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I do wonder what that feels like. Do you feel the fourth house is the most inner place? It's the one place that I can really identify viscerally. It's palpable. I have Chiron in Pisces conjunct IC exactly. I've had to surrender to it. Bleeding dissovling at the root. Or falling endlessly. Horrifying until you realize there is no ground. There will never be ground. I've acclimated to it with age but there is no navigating it... that would require edges and boundaries. Which having Saturn in fourth supplies, right? How does it interact w/your Pisces Sun? 

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i didn’t want to be a party pooper , but no I don’t feel Saturn rewarded me, even when he kicked my butt and I worked harder.  

Also, how do you experience Jupiter transits ? No much luck for me either 

don’t get me wrong I’m very very grateful for my good health and loving bf. But besides that I didn’t jumped in the air because some transit brought me some goodies/prospects/lucky chances.

Xoxo Carmen

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I think Saturn gives you the burden you need to evolve.

i dont know about "deserve" but yea i think it blocks/limits to evolve too... where we need to grow, and so yes its karmic (cause/effect) 

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Yes constriction and the burden of lack.

I do wonder about karma. I wonder to what degree it's a simple correlation. You do this and get the same back. And sometimes I wonder if some are given burdens to be examples and they take them on willingly or others are like the extreme sportsmen and want to challenge themselves in this lifetime. it's so hard to reconcile our limited slice of experience. 

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I think the statement is way too simplistic.  There are times a Saturn transit will bring chickens home to roost (for good or ill) but some people are born, seriously burdened through no fault of their own. Others are born, seriously supported, also for no reason having to do with anything they've done or not done.

Saturn in the natal chart has a lot of to say as well. I have Saturn well placed and well supported. I fare okay with Saturn transits but it's not because I deserve to skate and the other person doesn't. It may simply mean I have a gift in my chart and the other person has something else.

It angers me to tell the truth.  The whole idea that people deserve the horrible things that happen to them, that is.

Let's see... all these kids around the world deserved to be masked and locked down, scared and taught they're infectious. Sound more like evil (Pluto) is in control (Capricorn) than that these kids have to be taught a lesson because they suck.

We all have burdens we deserve and other burdens that are just placed upon us.  HOW the burden is placed is another factor and I mean that in more than one way.

Carrying a load with a tricked up, trined out Saturn is different than bearing a load with a trash-Saturn.

Also, who placed the burden on you? A stranger? The government? Or was it your own family?

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@elsa I relate to this response more than I relate to the initial statement. In that, I don't understand that statement at all. Deserve is a pretty big word. Do I not deserve all the other things I receive from transits of other planets...who decides that

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@elsa 

Great points. thanks for bringing it down to real experience of burden. My Sag can really blather in the abstract. 🙂 The guy in the middle of an avalanche doesn't want to hear about gravity. 

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@jana Thanks! I just think there are a lot of variables. This blunt trauma astrology is hitting people like a brick. They take these messages and internalize them.  It can easily screw up your life.

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The dumbing down of society  --  unfortunately, there are too many entities that think and feel that stupidity and mediocrity are the way to control people.  I just have to wonder how many brilliant ideas have been totally crushed by such egomaniacal authority.

Whoever this astrologer is, I have to wonder if they feel they are helping others by using scare tactics.  Then again, maybe they have made their Saturn a personal whipping post and use this as an excuse instead of just doing the work that needs to be done. 

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@sun-mar I'm sorry I deleted the post.

This is my feeling about this... the misinformation is put out there (not just about astrology) and it worms around with people taking bits or whatever - it becomes perverted.

To be clear, my generation was just as influenced, it's just the world we live in now is much darker.

Yesterday, I saw a homemade birthday cake someone was photographed with (could be staged). It said, "Sorry you're a Virgo."

Now how do you think that would make a 13 year old Virgo, feel.

People are being programmed and not in a good way.

Bad things happen? You deserve it.

How about the person who did the bad thing deserves to be punished. But noooo

Anyway, life is hard enough and astrology is powerful for good or ill. I will say the darker it gets, the lighter I get (Libra) in an attempt to compensate.

 Today's astrology is all about separating people and making them hate themselves and others... and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

But the people who come along and absorb this and propagate it are probably innocent.

It's called "firehouse..." something, which means you spray lies, truths mixed with half-truths and utter nonsense out there, all day, everyday.  With this method, things become virtually impossible to figure out.'

And then you realize it's alllll subjects.

I'm off-topic now. I'm sorry. But I already deleted a post so I will leave this one with this last remark - pay attention to how you feel when you read something. Just because it's written or spoken by a pretty face does not mean you have to contort yourself to believe something your other senses can see through.

Astrology should HELP. It should not scare. Warn, yes. But not scare and certainly it should not leave a person demoralized.

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@elsa 

We are of the same generation.  When I first read this title, the names of two well known astrologers popped in my head.  While both of these astrologers are well versed, one area where both fall down, the age of the individual they are reading for.  Someone in their mid-20's is going to have an almost completely different reaction to someone in their 50's while experiencing the same transit.  I do not much care for scare tactics.  To me, is usually comes across as being mean.

This whole thing with Saturn reminds me of all the brouhaha that became a fad to blaming Chiron for everything that was wrong in your life.  No disrespect to Barbara Hand Clow or Melanie Rhinehart, both of these ladies have done some wonderful work  --  too many just took it too far. 

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@sun-mar People are bringing children into this at this point. So what does an idiot tell a Scorpio? They're about sex?  Things like this penetrate and have an impact... which is what our entire culture is about at this point.  Programming people and sorting them and making the conform to things or idea for a specific purpose that is not about them nor in their best interest.

I just think astrology has tremendous negative potential. It's appears to be headed in that direction, unfortunately.

I don't know what I can do other than what I've been doing for 35 years. Try to help the client and also try to share what I know which at this point, is 100% firsthand experience... and a lot of it.

I'm really "on" lately. It's hard not to notice.  The chart tell the story, instantly, in most cases. It all plays together.

It's also common I have to flush the work of the last astrologer because whoever it was missed the boat. And when an astrologer misses the boat, it's harmful!

I'm not saying I'm perfect. I'm saying that I am very, very good. Probably beyond what most people think. And I got this way, working seven days a week with people all over the world, for decades.  

If people find this thread (someday), hopefully they can be relieved to see someone state plainly, it's FAR more complicated than "you deserve it".

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