More On The Venus Neptune Veil Dropping… The Victim Hole

vietnamSweethiez prompted a great discussion when she wrote about her attempts to defend against this phenomena where Venus Neptune types go from “saint” to “sinner” in not much more than the blink of an eye. She tries to warn people when she sees them dreaming her up. I have all kinds of elaborate (and in many cases imaginary Saturn Neptune) defenses against this but I thought I write some on the end result.

After a lifetime of this occurring you do realize that at least for you, love is ethereal. It has no beginning or end, it comes, it goes and it definitely cannot be caught or kept or captured or contained. It leaks all the time and if you have some in your life, you go on faith and nothing but that the love you have will be there tomorrow and if not, there will be something beyond.

For Venus Neptune, sometimes love is a service or a sacrifice but in these cases it is impossible to tell who is served… or sacrificed for that matter. It is impossible to nail these things down because as soon as you do they morph on you and the stories here are incredible.

It is always possible for Venus Neptune to claim victimization but it is not very smart, reason being it’s a dead end. What does Neptune want with a dead-end?

I will come back with a story that illustrates this but meantime are there any other Venus Neptune types that know better than to fall in the victim hole?

I chose the pic because look at those kids. The well is there, it doesn’t mean you get in it.

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  1. “It is always possible for Venus Neptune to claim victimization but it is not very smart, reason being it is a dead end.”

    Yes, I know not to fall in the victim hole (well, now I do), for that very reason. What does Neptune want with a dead end? Nada. I have been there from time to time, but it’s pointless, that’s for sure.

  2. I love the picture. It soooo proves you can be by hole, merge with it (they’re all wet) and still manage not to fall in!!

    ha ha ha, I am the only one who thinks I am clever. ::snort::

  3. Well it is not all that often I manage so I do like the marvel. This is my main problem / annoyance / jealousy of Gemini. They are clever all the time and for me it’s like a 3 times a year feat! 🙂

  4. Tell me about it, I’m surrounded by these Gemini Moons and Risings that always get me in the clincher and leave my mouth hanging with nothing to say or do but laugh and wish I was that smooth.

  5. Venus square Neptune with Neptune ruling the 7th house here.

    Yeah that’s just time and effort wasted that could be used to get yourself back on track. I saw a quote somewhere from JFK I believe where he said “It easier to curse the darkness than it is to light a candle” or something like that.

  6. i had fun for a long time in the victim hole. more fun that taking the effort to try to build a real relationship. there’s a certain intoxication that can be found in misery. dangerously addictive,
    at least in my case.
    i wrote lots of poetry…

  7. yes wyrdling, misery is great for writing. Back to the saint and the sinner and the sacrifice….I mean if you are sacrificed then that is what has happened. You cannot undo the sacrifice. There is a certain reality to this – (I have Venus in Pisces in the 7th). But you can seek understanding and thereby a certain level of forgiveness of oneself and other and so, redeem the victim within.
    I love the well.

  8. It’s only until you understand that any service requires a sacrifice – at least from people with a strong ego… and that any service is an chance to transcend. I agree, Elsa, with Venus Neptune it’s hard to tell who’s served and who’s sacrificed… but since it’s Neptune I’d say the one who doesn’t seem to be.
    By the way, the water from this well looks like Gatorade, or Matcha tea 🙂 but I love the pic!

  9. My own neptune is well placed (in Sag, conjunct Jupiter) and ready to cause all kinds of mischief. I can be ideal as all hell, which is where I end up when I’m not careful with it.

    For me, it’s conjunct not venus, but mars–but the potential for victimization is still there. With mars involved, I’m liable to drive my faux crusade off a cliff.

    I sort of know better. Still more room for improvement though.

    P.S.–I liked the well metaphor, as well 🙂

  10. “I mean if you are sacrificed then that is what has happened. You cannot undo the sacrifice. There is a certain reality to this. But you can seek understanding and thereby a certain level of forgiveness of oneself and other and so, redeem the victim within.”

    Diastella, I think you’ve just given me a piece of the puzzle I’ve been working on. Thank you! Your words are/were healing balm. *grins*

  11. When I see someone who continusy identifies themselves as a victim, I believe it is the people around them who are actually victimized.

    “Elsa, with Venus Neptune it’s hard to tell who’s served and who’s sacrificed… but since it’s Neptune I’d say the one who doesn’t seem to be.”

    I don’t agree with this either. It is an attempt to apply rules to Neptune which is never going to work.

    Also what “seems” depends on who is doing the “seeming” and I can tell you for real that I have gotten 100 nasty mails detailing what it seems I am doing and not recognized or identified with a word of diatribe.

    Just a couple of weeks ago I got a violent threat from one the of readers here who vowed to expose me for what I was and what I was doing. That was followed by a long list of… insanity easily and immediately refuted by the 7000 posts on this blog, never mind the 8000 post on the other.

    I’m just saying a person drunk or brain damaged may be doing the “seeming” or even someone who is educated but poorly which is just as dangerous.

    I am also saying that deciding the opposite that seems is true is going to get you into trouble too. Sometimes it is EXACTLY what it seems.

    This is why discernment (Virgo) is so important when dealing with Neptune.

    Thinking 3 + 4 may or may not = 7 is plague of humanity right now.

    “It not a rape, rape,” says Whoopi Goldberg. On TV no less.

  12. this:

    When I see someone who continusy identifies themselves as a victim, I believe it is the people around them who are actually victimized.

    is one of the smartest things I’ve ever read. Thank God for you Elsa.

    I couldn’t agree more!

  13. well,i jumped in and out of a mutual victimhood celebration society for awhile. in pieces. some of us grew up, or out, or through it and started taking responsibility for where we were, at different stages, and i am very thankful for those who showed me it could be done, and how…

  14. Wyrdling – I’ve watched that “mutual victimhood admiration society” in my extended family. Lots of water there. The parents beat the children daily yet there is this competition between the grandmother and her daughters (I’m out a generation) as to who has it worse. My little branch of the family is the only one who up and moved away and refused to continue playing that game. When I go to extended family gatherings I’m always amazed to watch – it’s not always overt (we’re from that reserved upper midwest culture don’tcha know) but they still even today compete. When my branch (small tho it is) shows up they get all weird because we’re not of the same “mess” it throws off the game.

    so sayz venus pisces and neputne 7th. I’ve had my share of experiences where I’m all of a sudden the bad guy or get dumped from the group/situation/etc. in a manner that leaves me surprised. I became the sinner for speaking the truth. I tend to pick myself up and move along best I can because I can’t fix their image of me. That is one thing my SO cannot come to terms with is how this happens and why I don’t put more effort into changing their perceptions. I’ve got more things to get done in this live than fight somone else’s imagry.

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