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Coincidentally enough, a youtube relationship coach I follow is doing a livestream today on twin flames - which I find incredibly interesting because she is the polar opposite of a woo-woo type, touchy-feely, "it's a spiritual connection,' in her advice! Who knows, maybe she'll trash the whole concept of twin flames.

If anyone is interested:

Be forewarned if you watch: her energy strikes me a bit as 'think and act like a man' and I wouldn't be surprised if she has an avoidant attachment style. So if you're looking for a warm hug type of relationship advice, this ain't it 😆

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@libralicious i watched it until it got to be too redundant.. she basically echoed what I said.. that it's definitely a divine encounter/intervention as a vehicle for self-elevation and it happens by plunging into the depths of discomfort and despair. 

But, she agreed (which is opposite of what is mostly written about twin flames) that the purpose is not for reunion later as most want to believe. 

 

she also made it sound like she believes in more than one possibility of the experience, which is not what is mostly out there... allegedly a twin flame is your one and only... barf

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@belladonna I watched as well, and yeah, I think she was coming at it from her own experience only. And the truth is, if there is such a thing as "twin flames" then I don't think these relationships follow a cookie cutter path or experience. She made it sound like it isn't a twin flame if it isn't this over-the-top mad, intense love. I don't know if you caught it, but at one point, she said the 1st guy had to get a restraining order against her - or something like that. I think that's coming at it from a really unhealthy perspective, to say the least!

I think it's those types of definitions that become problematic for people wanting to believe their relationship is a twin flame relationship. It can keep people stuck. Also re the concept of reunion, who knows if that's at least part of the purpose or not. Either way, reunion won't be successful in any relationship when exes get back together if both parties haven't worked through their issues and experienced growth.

I still find these relationship topics entertaining, though! 😉

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@libralicious 

I totally agree with her !!!

Boy has she nailed some stuff.

Her description of Twin is so spot on,yes its TOTALLY different, psychic, telepathic, electric,a exact soul vibrational match.

That just blows your mind.

She is right on the runner dynamic too,many times its complicated, people are married,or living in different Countries, different ages.

 

Its not smooth,or easy ,cant be put in a box.

Its totally transformative.

It's healed every hurt Other relationship s had given me.

There was pure Unconditional Love I felt ,my Twin accepted me as I was.

Said EVERYTHING that I EVER wanted to hear from someone who loves me.

Ticked every box.

And it was intensely Wonderful.

You love them hate them.

But it doesn't go away.

Haha 

She is so right on the Money.

This cannot be harnessed,tamed.

Living together maybe...but not in a permanent structured way.

Sometimes in and sometimes OUT.

I have realized that,its NOT what I thought I wanted.

But I ve matured in 12 years.

I don't need him 24x7

Now.

I ve EVOLVED.

I have my own books to write,my TwinFlame poems to publish.

My own business I want to start.

I don't need to be in control anymore.

Its okay for him to run from time to time.

I just know Jack will be back !!

Whenever.

Its a knowing.

I m calmer now,and I think this is the transformative part.

Where we find our life purpose and the Twin doesn't feel threatened as if we are taking over his life.

I ve completely LET GO.

And now he wants to come.

Well on my terms baby

You are free to go and come.

A bit like Out of Africa.

And that's Beautiful as well.

Sometimes Less is More 

And sometimes we have to drop the picture in our heads ,for something unconventional,but Absolutely Fantastic.

Just saying. Inlove heart  

 

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I believe in twin flames, but it's very easy to mistake a karmic for a twin. It FEELS like meeting the person was meant to be, and it was, but not always for the reason you think. What seems like construction is sometimes demolition to build with someone else later or just to clear away debris so you can build alone.

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@wailingstorm I guess that's part of my question - or confusion. What's the difference between a twin flame and a karmic relationship? And who decides that - and who made the rules to begin with?!

It's not like astrology, there's no geometry involved, or actual planetary transits that most people use to explain what they think the "rules" are. And if the rules are ordained by faith, then there are no rules except your own.

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One thing I hate about this phenomenon is people who say they know what a real twin flame is. Ones who say (not to me just stuff I’ve read) “if it were a real twin flame (fill in the blank) or “that doesn’t sound like a true twin flame” And judge all others who say they have met their twin flame that don’t have an experience just like theirs. There are a lot of truly ignorant people believing in twin flames. And posting all their nonsense and so called expertise. It just gets under my skin. It’s grosser than dogma.

If you notice, most people who talk about twin flames are young, naive, immature and often extremely ignorant.

you don’t often find a well adjusted, balanced, mature person talking much about it. I wish I could see what some younger people who believe in it now, think about it in 20 years.

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@la_sirena

 

There is so much information out there everyone comes from a place they feel or think resonates with them,some from their own experience.

Its truly not necessary to react , respond or believe what doesn't resonate,with you.

Hate is a strong word, even if you go onto You Tube,there is so much information,good ,bad ,even random.

You can accept it if it works for you or ignore  it and move on.

We are living in times of information overload.

No one can say whether you met your twin or not .

Except you.

The Only yardstick is Unconditional Love.

And I truly believe that should be the Yardstick for EVERY kind of relationship, whether family or romantic.

I dont think anybody can judge unless they are in it.

Its a very personal thing.

We can also move on in our lives to more fulfilling relationships,things that motivate us and bring us joy.

 

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@la_sirena 💯 I'd love to know where the twin flame manual is, and who wrote it. What is a *real* twin flame anyway? Or is it just a name given by someone who needed to describe a transformative relationship experience they had?

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@libralicious 

You know, that's probably it. What is being called a twin flame relationship is really just a transformative relationship. Makes a lot of sense.

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@libralicious 

Bingo! That’s exactly what it is. So what is a transformative relationship? It’s a relationship that forces you to come to terms with your shadow so that ultimately you become a balanced human being. That’s the goal. Balance. I’m not necessarily talking about Libra balance but spiritual balance. A uniting of the duality inherent in each of us. 

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Twin flames are NOT a relationship. You can't be in a relationship with your self. "They" are you, one being. Hard to describe as it's all energy and people's minds cannot understand this. Words fall short. Like explaining colors to a blind person. Your other self energetically activates your spiritual awakening and the goal is ascension, nothing more. IF your soul brings them in, it's a byproduct of going within. It's the true spiritual journey of letting go of form. If you don't, you suffer

IF you have expectations, longing, emotions, want validation, reciprocation, etc etc, the energy pushes them away. It's ONE energy system. You are polarized at the astral. One positive (pushes) one negative (pull)

There are a few key energy points to determine IF the other is a twin flame.

1) Dark night of the soul/ego (mine was 6 months = brutal, hardest thing I've ever done in my life)
2) Obsessive thinking (off the charts, on steroids obsessive...whew)
3) Doubt (doubt is there because at the beginning of dark night of the soul, the mind's duality energy is activated and your energy swings from doubt (mind) to knowing (the soul))
4) Core wound activation (either heart, solar plexus, or sacral chakras) it's not a wound to "heal" but where the soul is tethered here in the physical ... mine was the heart chakra...pounding out my chest very hard for 3 weeks...nothing I've ever experienced
5) Knowing -- after your dark night of the soul energy settles down, your inner knowing soul energy is apparent
6) Majority, not all, have a kundalini awakening

This energy is HAPPENING TO YOU, you have absolutely no control; at least for several months.

Soulmates are a transactional relationship: emotions, you do something for them/they do something for you, reciprocations, etc. Another soul loving another soul

Twin flames are one soul two bodies

The harder you try to receive anything FROM your twin flame, the other resists (pulls). So you are forced to go within

Everyone has and is a twin flame. The only difference is, once soul recognition occurs, you are conscious of the inner knowing

Sadly, many people "think" the name twin flames is endearing so the majority of twin flame couples on Youtube chanels are not twin flames. They are just putting soulmates into the twin flame box

I've had some brutal and equally transcendental experiences. I will never be the same, and my level of spiritual consciousness has and is expanding

Hope this helps

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