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Would love to hear everyone's thoughts on twin flames.

Do you believe this is a real thing that exists?

If so, why?

If not, why?

Also, anyone who is willing to share their own personal experience, I think those stories would be super interesting to hear!

Peace ✌️ and happy Friday 🙌

** editing to add: if you believe twin flames can be identified in one's chart, would definitely love to hear your thoughts there as well!

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Would love to hear everyone's thoughts on twin flames.

Do you believe this is a real thing that exists?

If so, why?

If not, why?

Also, anyone who is willing to share their own personal experience, I think those stories would be super interesting to hear!

Peace ✌️ and happy Friday 🙌

** editing to add: if you believe twin flames can be identified in one's chart, would definitely love to hear your thoughts there as well!

 

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I did a lot of recent research on the subject after a reading with a psychic. I'd heard the pop-cultural referencing many a time and now after researching realized (like astrology) how misunderstood/misused the subject is. 

That being said, while I find it super interesting, I also find it potentially very harmful depending on the recipient and interpretation (that which can be used to enable one's toxic patterns). 

Particularly for those already prone to abusive/ trauma-bond dynamics or Neptunian problem-related relationships/projections. I can see how easy it would be to cast a lover as a twin flame to unconsciously enable the dynamic, and it can be extremely toxic and waste away people's time and life hanging onto the hope.

In my case, I had a psychic tarot reading with someone I've had many with and I asked him about a recent lover. He never said twin flame, but to my surprise, he didn't dismiss the "relationship"/dynamic altogether as I was expecting. Instead, his first response was - when he read his energy/our dynamic - he had a very clear vision of a mirror - that it was like our souls were mirrors at this moment in time. That sparked my curiosity because of so much of what I'd already been feeling/experiencing with this person. And, I don't mean mirror in a pleasant way, per se. It was a very uncomfortable dynamic in fact, very much described within a twin flame relationship. We also had many other applicable elements that the twin flame thing details - many weird interlacings of stories, life experiences, views, etc... yet we were also like total opposites in so many ways, from totally different countries, our actual physical appearances etc. 

I think the lessons of the twin flame mirroring still very much applied... and he definitely darted so fast as described by the (runner/chaser) thing, except I wasn't chasing him after he ran. And the initiation of our meeting was very electric and intoxicating as well the way it is often described..

but my hang-up is - so are a lot of toxic, not meant to last relationships. Most relationships are seasons and honestly, every relationship is a mirror in many ways...

so I guess I don't believe in the whole reunion part of the twin flame thing so then I guess that means I don't really believe in twin flames, but I do think there's a lot of validity to the mirroring part that one can learn from and even though that can be said for all relationships, there can be certain people that our souls indeed align with that have the profundity of this very intense, accelerated journey that elevates our consciousness of self and how we relate to the other and therefore a path to unconditional love for both self and the other...

but I think it's very very tricky... because if you've got a Neptunian streak like me, hanging onto the possibility of a return is so so likely and obviously very damaging. 

So, while I related to so much of the description of the experience, I had to let go of the narrative and take the lesson as one still within a season.. otherwise, I'd be hanging onto a fantasy forever and blocking reality. 

as for the astrology, no idea although I'd be curious... I never had his exact birth time to compare charts, so couldn't conclude anything anyway - maybe involving N & S nodes? 

basically, I think this particular dynamic did elevate my consciousness and gave me a better understanding of self, acceptance, surrender, and so on...

If he ever comes back.. I'll follow up - then maybe this whole thing could be true after all - but I sure as hell ain't waiting around believing in the narrative. Instead, I'll let myself be pleasantly surprised 😉 

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@belladonna Thank you for your insights, BellaDonna. They definitely align with my own thoughts on the topic, and correlate with my own experiences. The NN and SN popped into my head immediately as I read along, but I was somewhat surprised when you mentioned them as most people don’t when discussing this topic. If you care to share, I’d be really interested in hearing more about your experience and the (possible) nodal contacts involved.

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@buendia Hi Buendia, I think you misunderstood what I said re the nodes. I don't have any idea of the astrology in general for twin flames (if any) - but my guess would be the nodes would be involved. 

I think maybe you were referring to me saying the subject of twin flames is often misunderstood/lacking in real knowledge - and I put in ( ) like astrology, meaning how astrology is often a misunderstood subject due to people's lack of education on the subject and therefore it is pop culture surface stuff for most. Basically, I was just making a comparison of twin flames and astro as subjects and a general ignorance around it for the majority.

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@belladonna oh I see, sorry, I misinterpreted that. No, I wasn’t asking about the astrology of twin flames specifically, but the astrology of your experience. I thought you mentioning the nodes was connected to the synastry of your past encounter (even without time of birth, it would reveal the position of the nodes and any planets near them), but you were really just tossing some possible ideas out there for OP’s question. My apologies. 

I asked because your experience sounds like what I’ve been investigating as “nodal experiences,” which I’ve observed are sometimes interpreted (or misinterpreted, I’m not sure) as twin flame encounters. 

Yes, my agreement was regarding the general misunderstanding of the topic, as I see it.

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Yes, my agreement was regarding the general misunderstanding of the topic, as I see it. But moreso the experiences and reflections you shared. Didn’t edit in time to add this to my last post.

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@libralicious

Thanks for starting this post ,I d like to add here ,The Phenomenon that started in 2011 ,a Portal of 1111 on November 11 2011.

Where many Twinflame s at that time met online and otherwise.

People from very different backgrounds and cultures ,and age differences.

It started with the awakening code of 11:11 , people started seeing this a lot back then.It was a mass occurrence.

However many who didn't see this or feel this wanted to be part of this bandwagon,it was an exciting club Everyone wanted to be part of.

Many imagined themselves to be in one.

But there is only one important factor,there maybe lies, deception but never physical abuse,or verbal hurt. It is based on unconditional Love. That is the main crux .

That's why its its harder to break it ,as its based on forgiveness and unconditionally loving .

That's why its easy to get back no matter how long the absence or time.

The Archangel of Twinflame s is Metatron.

When I have tried to Breakup or forget about my Twin.

I will keep seeing angel angel numbers,that send subliminal messages.Different numbers for different messages.

It will bring back the intensity of feelings.

Even my Angel and Ancestors cards ,(highly recommended) 

Asked me to drop my sword and surrender.

Khalil Gibrans poem about Love is true, 

"Believe in Love even though the sword hidden in its pinions would Peirce you.

For even though it caresses your highest branches,so it will thresh you etc.I may not have quoted it exactly,but there you have it.

For if you don't want any pain of love. You will not laugh all of your laughter or cry all of your tears 

And that's okay too.

There is no right way to Love.

The closest relationships are always most painful.

I had an awful relationship with my mother who always put me down,and we disagreed on everything. UNTIL she had a stroke,and became completely dependent on me for everything during pandemic.

To rely unconditionally on someone,you HAVE to Trust.

And let go.

Now we are closer than ever, inseparable, constantly hugging and kissing. If i leave her alone for any length of time,she comes running into my room.

But it came about after lots of tears ,soul searching,and wound healing on both our sides.

Now nothing can touch us.

We are ONE soul.

Its the same with Twinflame.

Many have mistaken infatuation for Twinflame.But there is a huge difference.

Infatuation goes away quickly,not Twinflame,its much more enduring.s

Maybe not physically or in this Dimension.

But Etherically in the higher Dimensions.

You can pray to Archangel Metatron for healing and forgiveness

Wishing everyone Love and Light.

Stay Blessed

 

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@belladonna 

Funny you mention the possibility of the nodes being highlighted in twin flame relationships. I know a guy who's in love with me that has his Venus on my south node and my Venus is on his north node. I doubt we're twin flames because I don't feel any connection to him at all...no feelings, no nothing. I might have foud him attractive at one point but that's all. He tried pressuring me into a relationship and I bolted (Venus in Aquarius).

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@belladonna I agree 100% re your comment about the toxic element in the spiritual community. I was briefly obsessed a couple of years ago with tarot videos that tended to focus on twin flames, and they have the (unintended, I hope) consequence of keeping you attached, obsessed and holding on to unhealthy dynamics.

I have my own experience with two guys from my past - one's sun is almost a direct conjunction to my N Node; the other an almost direct conjunction to my S Node. I was definitely in the "runner" energy with N Node guy, and with S Node guy, he was definitely the "runner". Interestingly enough, with S Node guy, my sun is an almost exact conjunction to his S Node.

So I definitely believe there's some fated element to some of our relationships. But the whole, "we were incarnated as one" theory, I'm not sure that aligns with my personal beliefs.

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Yes I believe in Twinflames.

I have had a Twinflame relationship.

What makes it TOTALLY different from others is the INTENSITY of the feeling.

Without seeing or meeting the person.!!!

This is the first sign ,next is the Physical meeting or voice activation, people get mesmerized on Sight or even hearing the voice can trigger an estactic euphoric feeling unlike any other.

But the CONSTANT thought of your twin is something incredible over which you have no control.

My Twin and me met through internet,it was a random selection.

We had Nine hours time difference!!

Still our messages were sent and received AT the EXACT second.

Whatever the time, this by itself is totally unbelievable.

The unconditional Love was also exceptional.

He wasn't my type,I m 5ft 3in hes 6ft 3 inch ...White South African,I m Indian.

But we connected.

Twinflame s are the exact Soul vibration of each other.

That means the good and the bad in equal measure.

We are both impatient, quick to anger and quick to forget and forgive.

There was the runner chaser dynamic intially.

But despite trying,it was hard to cut the cord.

Also incredibly, though i i have latent Psychic abilities, I have never been able to hear anyone telepathically.

But I could hear my Twin Crystal clear. He never wrote me back,due to some security issues , and would only reply with intials , sometimes no reply at all.

I had sent a message telepathically saying i m ending it due to the Silence.

Immediately he said telepathically send me a mail now I ll reply.

I said I m sending a Blank mail ,he said ok ,I sent it and INSTANTLY got a reply!!!

But wait that's not all.

I did our Vedic Synastry Birth Chart ,and received the shock of my life.

We had planets in the EXACT degree of same houses.

In many cases if we exchanged houses we had the same planets.

Most conjuct,to exact degree of 1 point something .

So perfect understanding.

Instant attraction,also arousal just Looking at each other.

Etc.

Twinflame is an unbreakable bond and lifelong.

Its not easy , both have to work on shadow and wounds ,trust issues etc.

Its also a very hard and difficult relationship,but NOT hurtful.

If it is ,its NOT Twinflame.

So that has to be understood.

I will be publishing my poems on Twinflames.

I have let go of my Twin,and cut the Etheric cord.

But though I can't hear him.

He agreed to cut it.

I know its not over yet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@shonaaa 

I had a similar experience and used to think like you but after two decades on the so called journey, I no longer think that way. The intensity does simmer down after a long period of time. Whatever these connections are, they do teach you about yourself over time. In a decade you may feel differently about it. The desperate and excited feeling goes away. But those experiences of synchronicity and telepathy and magic do teach you that the world is made up of magic and it does make you a more empowered being, but you have to go through the fire first. 

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@la_sirena , yes my Dear its been more than a Decade 😀 now.

Yes the intensity maybe less now , but its still there.

A song can bring it on ,or sentence you read. My Twin always said I am you and you are me.

But like I said, if its your TRUE twin it will never be over.

Even though we have stepped back,cut cords .There is a part of your exact match that is out there .

Where out of one there will be two.

Like this poem

InShot 20210330 163331425

 

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Also once in the absolute throes of our madness,omce he hadn't written me in 3days ..i i was fuming inside and thinking if you don't email me within a few hours its over. I was really thinking so loud.

Suddenly I get a call,its from him. All he said was check your email.and put down the phone!!!

Can anyone EXPLAIN that???

No waaay!

Thats a Twinflame!!! heart  

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@shonaaa 
 Yeah a decade in and I was still out of my mind with this stuff, I still have moments that flood over me but one has to stay sane... hahaha

but I know exactly what you speak of... 

I just don’t see a need to define it anymore, once you get too attached to a belief, well it’s like any attachment if you get my drift. Attachment is never good for you and especially attachment to a belief system like this. It can rob you of your life if you let it. It robbed me for longer than a decade. Yes, I learned and grew from it but the attachment kept me bound to an ideal. Nothing else matches that ideal so at some point have to find a middle ground. It can steal your joy in everything else that life has to offer. I know because I have been there and I am still in the process of releasing.

Putting that energy into other things made me realize what I’m really capable of in life as well.

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@la_sirena yes you are correct.

Yes he had set the benchmark high.

So you tend to hold onto that " ideal"

However I was busy working,in a different Country had virtually no time to obsess ,and like you am quite grounded and also Uranus in my leo ascendant natally makes me quite independent and a loner , so I m not hanging on so to speak. 

But it blossomed my creativity,and expression like never before.

I have written Twinflame poems ,that are even if I say so phenomenal, and that resonate with so many.

Yes we cannot stop living fully or kill our joy , holding on.

You have to LET GO , and trust the Universe to have your back.

And yes its great to put your energy into things that uplift,be more productive,less anxious.

There is absolutely no need to obess or wait around.

Just enjoy your life find new fulfilling relationships.

But after so many years.

Nothing compares to my Twin.

A Doctor,a deep sea Diver,and my Best Friend who introduced me to Annunaki books and we spoke about anything and everything.

Hahaha

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If you read what you have written, written by someone else, how would it strike you? That’s something you would need a lot of distance from in order to answer. Years from now, you could re-read what you have written. I do it all the time to learn about myself. I cringe at myself but it’s one way for me to transform the way I think about things. I have Pluto in the third house. I tend to have such strong convictions and it’s humbling to understand that they are not always right. It’s really hard to see ourselves objectively in the moment. 

I for one did not “let go” right away. I had actually too much trust in the universe. That was before I really understood that we create our universe right here in the real world with the right application of thought (intent), emotion, action, and preparation. Emphasis on the last. I have come to believe that nothing comes to us in the real 3D world without those components.

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@la_sirena 

Yes I totally understand, what you are  feeling.

I don't know if I said something that uoset you, or  what exactly byou are trying to say to me.

I m sorry if that was so.

The reality of everyone s experience is just that ..theirs.

There is really no right or wrong way.in how we process things or even see it.

Until it is ours to see or when the veils drop.

Thats why Elsas post was so on point.

Maybe you're right that one day I will cringe at what I have written.

And maybe I won't.

I trust the Universe, have never been let down so far.

You are one step ahead creating your own Universe.

Thats such a wonderful place to be.

Sorry if something I said upset you.

It was not my intention at all.

I respect your opinion and how you see or understand something,even your individual experience of it.

And no one can undermine that .

We can both agree if we see it differently.

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Hi Sirena

I retead what I had written, i i wrote in third person, when I said you ,I didn't mean YOU.

I meant it universally speaking the word should have been,one needs to let go.

My apologies it sounded like I was referring to you.

That was Not at all what I meant.

I will put it down to the planets 

Sorry once again, heart  

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@shonaaa 

Sorry, I don’t know what I was on about. Maybe some kind of projection on my part. I swear sometimes I think I have Aspergers or something. I do understand where you’re at though. Sorry I came across as a jerk.

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@la_sirena My Dear Sirena 

Its all good,no harm done no prisoners taken.

Grammar can get you into trouble,I should have read the post before posting,its my bad.

You are a wonderful Soul.

Big hugsxx

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Same to you 

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@la_sirena 

I understand and feel your pain.

But don't hurt yourself ,or let it get you down.

You are a loving caring being ,let yourself be full of light and love.

Karma is real ,its one of the many Spiritual Laws, even Jesus spoke of as you sow so shall you reap.

Anyone who has hurt someone, taken undue advantage,will receive their due ,in due time .

Karma is always on time.

We must never let hate into your loving heart.

He is definitely not worth a cent of your unhappiness or pain.

Lets open a Twinflame Club(women's Only)

And serve drinks called

The Geezer

The Dirty Double (dirty martini)

The Screwball

The Pycho 

The long goodbye

Twister 

Twin Flame Fire

Frisky 

Ditched 

Sweet Revenge

Avenger 

Jekyll and Hyde

Imposter

Cheating Charlie

Hope this cheers you up.

Sending healing love and light.

Pain can transform us to Strength as we Overcome cheeky heart  

 

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@shonaaa 

I do understand what you have gone through. I remember searching for validation of what I was experiencing and not feeling like people could understand. 

I don’t need to shout it anymore or prove it. It’s impossible to explain because it’s magical. How can you explain how magic works to a non believer?  Well... I mean, you can’t. You could but it would be a waste of breath. You’d only look like a lunatic.

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apology not necessary...

"I asked because your experience sounds like what I’ve been investigating as “nodal experiences,” which I’ve observed are sometimes interpreted (or misinterpreted, I’m not sure) as twin flame encounters."

 

interesting! ya I so wish I had his birth time but he didn't know it

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I posted something years ago here about a relationship I had with someone at the time and someone commented that it sounded like a twin flame. I don’t know if it was or not, but I can say that if that’s what it was….then the “twin flame journey” sucks.

It was incredibly unhealthy and some of the stories I hear from others about being a twin flame sound unhealthy too. To be totally honest with you about what I think- I think the new age community portrays a lot of unhealthy and self destructive behavior patterns in a spiritual light. I think the ego can easily attach itself to many concepts like twin flame, starseed, etc. It’s a belief system after all (one that actually aligns a bit with my own, but not to the point where common sense is undermined). 

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@libra-noir Agree. I think most of us would be far healthier in our approach to all of our interpersonal and romantic relationships if we took an active interest in understanding our attachment styles and healing our attachment traumas. Because self-sabotaging behavior is not a sign of your love, loyalty or commitment to a romantic partner 😉

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Twin flames is an interesting concept to learn about but the way the journey is described does sound extremely toxic to me. I mean I'll keep an open mind about it but nothing further.

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@purplestargirl yep, and too often you see the twin flame tarot youtubers justifying a twin flame relationship with a married "twin". I mean, what?!!?

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@libralicious 

It's also supposedly very rare to be with a twin flame in this lifetime. People justify extremely toxic relationships as being part of a twin flame union and that's just not healthy.

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@purplestargirl And I would argue that, even the concept of it being rare and unlikely in this lifetime, or the belief that it's rare, is part of what keeps people in despair and hanging on. What's the saying? Attachment is the root of all suffering.

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What I don’t understand is why it needs a label in the first place. I believe in love at first sight, I believe in transformative relationships you feel at the soul level, where you can communicate without words... 

I believe those types of relationships exist. They are beautiful and can even bring you closer to source and your own true nature, they bring out the best in you and make you want to be better... they feel like coming home and can be a source of comfort and inspiration.

However you want to label it, these types of relationships exist and that’s good enough for me. I don’t see a need to put a label on it. Pretty much everything that humans have put labels on has been effed up beyond belief. Now every person who is obsessed with someone can say they’ve met their twin flame and they can use it as an excuse for their toxic behavior.

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@la_sirena I think, also, that the label can take you down a rabbit hole of endless searching for definitions of what it means by a lot of people who are grifting off the pain and heartache of people desperately searching for confirmation bias of their hopes made during really, really low times in their lives. It can turn the desperate person into a toxic hot mess who's stuck in that cycle for years.

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@la_sirena 

I like the idea of transformative relationships, probably because I prefer a deep emotional bond in mine (Blame my Scorpio ASC for that) since I identify as demiromantic, which means I don't develop romantic feelings until a deep emotional bond is established. That's only happened to me twice in my life.

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@la_sirena Yes, and I don't understand the difference, if there is any, between a twin flame and a primary soulmate--which we pretty much all have, and perhaps more than one...

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