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The Saggie and the severed friendship
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Friday, February 17, 2017 - 7:25 am
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Not even a couple of weeks after reconciling, the Saggie and Mr. Virgo aren't speaking.  Again.

What started out as her trying to get him out of his comfort zone - ice skating with a group of friends, of all things - led to a brutal severing of the friendship.  Or, as I'll show, the illusion of one.

He told her, I faked this friendship all along.  I faked my feelings for you.  I don't know how I really feel about anything.

I lie all the time.  I lie to just about everyone.

He has Moon (Leo) opposite Neptune (Aquarius).

He also told her this, which freaked me out:  I think I'd be a great surgeon because I can cut into people (!!!) and not feel anything.

Whoa.

The end result of all this?  She said she opened up for once, only for THIS to happen...so all people will see of her from now on is her surly, pissed-off side.

She's a very sensitive kid underneath her tough exterior.  She doesn't deserve this.

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I feel bad for her. Is she mature enough to study psychology? I ask because I hate to see her shut herself off and the study of psychology might empower her.

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She's lucky, she learned the truth about him before getting in deeper. Pluto in Capricorn.

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What a weirdo ( the Virgo). I would urge her to not take this personally and that he is absolutely not the norm. In fact he sounds like he might be a psycopath or at least a sociopath and they are small percentage of people. But I think there is a lesson for her here too. I don't know what it is but I guarantee it is not to close herself off. When I discovered that my ex never loved me (he was a psycopath and they are incapable of love), I took it hard. But then I realized that it was real from my end. All of my feelings were real so I never missed out on anything. I got the full scope of the experience and he got nothing. I really hope she comes to this realization too because it will set her free. 

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When I discovered that my ex never loved me (he was a psycopath and they are incapable of love), I took it hard. But then I realized that it was real from my end. All of my feelings were real so I never missed out on anything. I got the full scope of the experience and he got nothing. I really hope she comes to this realization too because it will set her free. 

I really like that, LN.  I'm going to tell her that when she gets home.

I think her judgement was off because Mr. Virgo was friends with Mr. Cap for years.  So were their mutual friends.  She told me last night, however, that he's very closed off with them.  Everything is on the surface with nothing difficult to deal with.  How was she supposed to know?  And what did he expect from a Sun/Pluto conjunct girl?  (Is he denying his own Sun/Pluto square?)

He might be a psychopath or sociopath.  I can't judge from what little I have to go on.  But I do know a little about his home life.  It's bad (very nasty divorce, verbally abusive father, father in arrears), and I think he shut himself down to protect himself from more hurt.  Being with the Saggie challenged this, and he just wasn't able to handle it.

I still think there's some shy young men who like her but are scared to death of her - maybe one will step up to the plate  now that this nonsense looks like it's run its course.  Time will tell.  I'm going to tell her to be open to it, hard as that will be for her right now.

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I'd just say that if she closes her heart forever over this guy then he "wins". She'll have allowed him to define the course of the rest of her life.

The best "revenge" she can get is to learn from the experience, open up again, find someone who loves her for her vibrant self and shows this ass what he missed out on.

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LisLioness, they're very young...

We each grow in our own meandering ways - for many of us, not in plain logical lines. And adolescence is a time of extremes, in emotional reactions.

He's a kid, too. Having moonneptune, he has his own challenging path, that he's still learning to understand. Sharing a conversation that a friendly, benevolent man initiated with me some years ago, he said that typically, most men will say just about anything, to avoid saying exactly what bothers them in a relationship. In talking about it, he meant, as opposed to a trust filled sharing conversation in an adult partnership. Or in confidence, to a close male friend. This man was passionately fascinated by communication in all its forms, and he rightly guessed that I wanted to hear everything he told me. Summing up, it's not an insult, to not furnish a detailed autopsy, on ending a relationship... which is one way of viewing that degree of analysis. Those who want to, fine. But, those who don't get any satisfaction in rehashing - with the other party - what's now moot...?

I'm sorry the kids are hurting. It's rather important - you know? - to let them feel however they feel, and even to make dramatic statements. It's part of growing into their rapidly changing skins. confused

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him saying ''i can cut into people and not feel anything'' is alarming. i dont know if he meant that figuratively or not... either way, i would be thankful she saw his true colors and can move on from him, but i hope it doesnt close her heart.

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Well, I found out a bit more this morning.  I went to pick up Mr. Cap at his friend's house.  They have regular D & D nights and are very tight knit.  Anyway...Ms. Saggie always moans and groans about not having a boyfriend...but she's difficult!  This was all said with love.  They love her as a sister.  And that's how Mr. Virgo looks at her.

I'm going to say some prayers for her.  She really needs someone in her life who gets her.  Sun/Pluto is a tall order to take on, but...someone will.

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