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Never ending Loneliness?
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Saturday, October 6, 2018 - 2:02 pm
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Huh?

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Saturday, October 6, 2018 - 2:27 pm
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Im going to be blunt here. Sijune, where are you GIVING in your life? It seems that theres no energy exchange.

You go to your job and complain that other people arent giving you what you want, but when is the last time you showed concern for one of your coworkers. You come on here and demand advice, when you already have four pages of it. I think you started another thread too and got many many helpful responses. But when have you ever showed concern for anyone here on the boards, offered advice or consolation? 

Try helping someone else. You are too wrapped up in your own story. Get out of yourself. Give instead of take and see how much better you feel. 

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Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - 12:52 am
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No! I will continue to complaining to the universe till the end of struggles,i am too weak to think how you suggest.Never ending loneliness is a reality,not exactly my choice,didn’t choose to be alone whole lifetime,just i get indifference.

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Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - 10:40 am
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Ya I do understand.

You’re whole identity is wrapped up in this mental paradigm you have going. To see things differently would shatter all that youve held dear, your identity as a victim of loneliness. Its crazy how someone will treasure and defend and cling to an idea about themselves that does nothing but hurt them. Theyll defend it with their life, when its so much easier just to evolve. Its insanity. 

Anyway….I dont expect these words to penetrate but here they are. 

All I can do is send you a prayer from the other side, which I will do. 

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Friday, October 12, 2018 - 12:04 am
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@Libra Noir,

it’s hard to think positively with depression. 

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Friday, October 12, 2018 - 1:18 am
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Thats not what Im saying. Ive had several extreme periods of depression, just to qualify myself in that way. I know of what I speak, because Ive been there. Im not talking about positive thinking, although it has its place, but that wont work here, because theres so much attachment to it. 

Also in my defense: Sometimes the most compassionate thing to do for someone is to tell them the truth. For some people, the last thing they need is more sympathy because it reinforces their idea that they have no power. Im pointing Sijune to his/her power. I have no personal agenda with sharing this. The benefit will only be Sijunes. 

Im talking about simply recognizing the thought patterns as 1) not your own 2) destructive to your life and general wellbeing. Its about not identifying with the mind and its patterns. Understanding that you are the one listening to the thoughts. You can believe them or not. Its the belief in them that makes them real. Im trying to show Sijune that in this case, your mind is not your friend. Its not you, and its not your friend. Yet there is this defense of it. Even other people will come to its defense.

Im calling that insanity. Not to put myself in a higher place, but by rights, because Ive been there and Im showing how I got out of that trap, and continue to get out of that trap, because they get way more subtle than this. This case is acute. 

So I guess my first recommendation and the way I started was to try to answer the question “ am I the speaker of my thoughts or am I the one listening?” Of course the listener has the authority. They have the authority to dismiss or adopt the ideas presented by the mind. 

Thats really all I have to say. I hope, but never expect for my words to be recieved in the spirit of love. They come straight from my heart as someone whos suffered and found relief. Id be an asshole if I saw someone in pain and didnt say anything. I was blessed with people who told me, straight up. I have not mastered my delivery but you never know how someone needs to hear something or how a seed can be planted. 

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Friday, October 12, 2018 - 4:55 pm
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@Libra Noir,

thanks for the clarification.

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Thursday, October 11, 2018 - 7:26 pm
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Didn’t Shakespeare say something similar? Whether tis noble to take arms against a sea of troubles?

My point on the Pluto transit which I thought lined up rather perfectly seems to have been missed. Perhaps I should put in some pictures to emphasize my point.

Anyway, the thing I wanted to say was that I talked to an NHS head doctor administrator woman today and her questions were exactly along the line of the things you describe. She asked me if I get joy from the things I was doing as one of the first questions and if I feel overwhelmed or helpless by the things I’m facing.

Just food for thought. I cannot recall if we had the conversation about therapy on one of these threads or not.

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Friday, October 12, 2018 - 5:39 pm
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Struggling whole lifetime,an issue is not born one day from nothing and nowhere,i always was antisocial and was so much diffiucult to feel comfortable around others,never make it to overcome fears.I feel they hate me even if they pretend that care or give some typical sympathy.

Virgo sun,Virgo asc falls apart,they suck both.

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Are you even willing to entertain the possibility that you could be wrong? That people don’t automatically hate you? It’s almost arrogant to think you know what someone else is thinking or feeling. Plus, you seem to care and worry way too much what other people think of you, it seems it’s more important to you than what you think about yourself. Why are you giving your power away like that? Who says what someone else thinks it’s more important? Why are you giving their opinions so much value?

Fact is, people don’t normally hate other people for no reason, unless they themselves have some issues. You are making assumptions based on negative self-talk and probably some past negative experiences of rejection. Unless someone comes out and tells you or shows you they hate you, why not assume they are neutral instead, that they don’t feel strongly one way or another? I would encourage you to practice this, to assume people are neutral about you, just to see how it feels, even if you don’t really believe, just pretend for the sake of some peace of mind. I sometimes find myself  suspecting people dont like me, but I refuse to give it my energy through thoughts and beliefs. I tell myself they don’t feel strongly one way or another, and if they actually do, it’s really their problem, not mine. They are the ones filling themselves with hatred, not me 🙂 Ultimately, you are responsible for your own thoughts and feelings and actions, not another’s, so it shouldnt be that important to you what they are up to. If you fill yourself with positivity and love, the hate can’t touch you. 

I also highly agree with Libra Noir about learning to give. Relationships are a give and take. If you don’t give, no one will stick around you for long. 

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Saturday, October 13, 2018 - 5:12 pm
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Tell me one thing,look at my natal and understand from where that loneliness,abandonment comes.It’s not something i can fix from one day to another,15 years of loneliness and shyness and whatever else.I give less or more but recieving indifference and just typical behavior.

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Saturday, October 13, 2018 - 6:15 pm
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This is what I think it is, your chart was copied from another thread:

sijuneastrologychart2004.jpgsijuneastrologychart2018.jpg

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Sunday, October 14, 2018 - 6:29 am
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Second Phoenix…that is Uranus in the circle at 18 Sag not Pluto 🙂

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Sunday, October 14, 2018 - 9:01 am
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Pluto was transiting at this time (2004). So it was also transiting his natal Uranus. Unfortunately astro.com was down as I did this.

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