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Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - 8:22 am
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Sijune, I'm sorry, too that you're feeling this way.  Please consider what Elsa wrote to you.  Depression, when it's prolonged and debilitating, can be helped by treating it as the physical handicap that it can be when it is severe enough.  Best wishes.

Saturn is also about taking care of what only you can decide, and do - whatever you do, whatever you decide.  

I'm lost,i have to finish studies,to search for a job,to find some friends,to find a girlfriend,to earn some money go to a therapist,to do things i can take back a plessure.

My solar return have a different view for the rest of this year?,should upload one soon.

 

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I'm really sorry you're depressed. I remember being so depressed there were times I couldn't read a book even though I wanted to. I couldn't lift a finger. It can get much better, but it doesn't always happen by itself, especially if you've felt stuck for a long time.

The universe really does conspire in your best interest, so I have faith that you'll get through this. The universe shows you where you need in order to grow.

A Virgo has to feel useful, so if you really have no avenue to help others, you can try to help yourself. I don't know if it helps you, but fresh air always helped me clear my head.

It may feel like you have a huge mountain to get over, but if you concentrate on taking steps to get your feet under you, you will be able to get what you seek. If you've felt this way for 10 years, this isn't going to be solved overnight, but it can be solved with sustained effort. You have a lot of Mars energy, which is aggressive, assertive, and heroic. When this energy isn't used, it can eat away at you in various ways, like causing depression and anxiety. If you are or have been passive, this is similar to stuffing your Mars energy. Energy is there to be used, and if it doesn't get used, it can become destructive. You can use your Mars energy by "doing" anything or taking action. If you commit to facing your fears, you will free yourself. While your problem is an old one, your solar return could show an internal shift that helps you have an easier time this year.

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Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - 12:36 pm
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This is my solar return chart,thnx.

 

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Aquarius rising will lend detachment and a progressive approach to life, and Uranus in Aries opp. Jupiter will increase the drive for freedom and independence. You can use this energy to shift to a new perspective. This is a good jolt of energy to have when you're barely breathing and trying to get back up. Jupiter is also in its own house, so it could be easier to have faith and optimism.

Sun, Moon, and Mercury in Virgo in the 8th house means that the focus of this year will be descending into the depths of yourself. Soul work. You might experience crises of the self. The underpinnings and your unconscious drives may come into your awareness, allowing you to work with and around them. These things bubble up from the depths so that you can face your complexes or compulsions and live more consciously. Often, these things bubble up when interacting with others. The 8th house is ruled by Mars, and Mars energy will need expression. Having Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Mars in Virgo will also help you understand yourself better and also give you razor sharp discernment. These planets are a united force. Having natal Sun in Virgo, and Moon in Aries in the 8th is a similar energy, so if you pay attention to your drives, you will be able to live with more awareness. You may end up feeling more yourself and get deeper in touch with your core character this year. Venus in Leo may incline you to be more outgoing and playful with others this year.

The biggest potential issues I see are Neptune in the 2nd and the Neptune Mars-Mercury opposition. This can lead to confusing thoughts and fluid self-esteem. The thing with Neptune though is you might be confused today, but you might not be confused tomorrow. If you believe that your momentary confusion exists to help you in some way, then it will be less infuriating. For example, if you are going deep into yourself to understand how you tick and how to untangle yourself, you may get thoughts (Mercury) that drive you to act (Mars) from the ether (Neptune). The confusion may compel you to dig deeper into yourself to uncover and discover things you would not have discovered without this friction. If you are able to serve others or serve something greater than yourself, this will help ease feelings of suffering.

You can start to make a life-altering change this year, as there are many tools and influences available that will help you.

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I can't say which planet causing me to hate my self time by time and some people around me.

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I've taken a short while to look at your chart which doesn't give itself up easily! 

I was once told by a very experienced psychotherapist that you can't really analyse negativity, it doesn't go anywhere.

I would say this is due to natal Pluto- Venus and Pluto transit through the fifth house. I would think perhaps the Human Design chart would suit you for some purposes of self knowledge. Because it is far more material than the regular astrology chart. It tells you precisely what to do you don't have to figure it out.

Aside from that I can tell you my personal understanding to try and help but, we are living in difficult times and few of us have solutions to these in my opinion.

My understanding is that the entire world has become a bit dark due to a war with competing extra terrestrials being played out here. There are very few opportunities, the middle class is getting squeezed, the poor are not having any improvements and things are generally very dark.

There will be a change in my belief but, my personal response to this situation is to be into politics and outer planets in general so to have some optimism there. Chiron often provides us solutions in times when we are wounded. So for you that would be career!

A few years ago for me personally I had hope. After the crash I have watched opportunities shrink and every conceivable health condition and psychological tendency of others worsen! I retain hope by being into politics.

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I can't say which planet causing me to hate my self time by time and some people around me.  

While you have the potential to feel repulsive or self-loathing from time to time, hate sounds like Mars or Pluto. You have Virgo in the 1st, Mars aspect Sun, Mars aspect Moon, and Moon in Aries in the 8th house, which indicates a lot of raw, aggressive, angry, heroic, and assertive Mars energy. If you do not direct this energy outwards, you can end up directing it towards yourself. It can eat at you. If you are productive one day and not productive another day, you may notice that you're more restless or angry on the unproductive day. This is Mars energy.

You've been depressed (Saturn in the 4th) and you're afraid, so you probably don't feel like doing anything because you feel bad. But the Mars energy still has to be used outwardly. It can build up, and you're more likely to turn it on yourself if it doesn't get used. If you use your Mars, which is great in Capricorn, it will solve a lot of your problems. Look for positive outlets (i.e. by exercise, sport, personal projects, being brave, challenging yourself, facing your fear, rising to challenges, striving to achieve, etc.). You'll build your self-esteem by acting like a hero, even if it's only to yourself.

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Teresina said

You'll build your self-esteem by acting like a hero, even if it's only to yourself.  

This never happened so far,i couldn't build self confidence and esteem like a fighter,warrior,hero,but always thought i was a loser,insecure and abandoned to get even self help.

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If you build your self-esteem, you won't feel like a loser. You'll feel you've accomplished something, rather than feeling like a failure.

If you have already accomplished a lot and still feel like a loser, then that would be a different issue.

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I dont think astrology can help further to my issues,you read,you analyzed my chart,i will need a doctor to change the way i think and get rid of fear of failure depression,social anxiety,chronic loneliness,lack of friendships and the list go on.

When you see succeed people like cornell,benington,scott weiland,winehouse to suicide,sinead o connor to feel so much depressed to think even commit suicide,people with lot of money,they have almost everything but they feel lonely,lack happiness or whatever,im dissapointed.

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I have a cousin who's in a similar state to you with the same emphasis in the seventh house. It seems to me that if someone has emphasis in the seventh house, especially the sun, when things go wrong and personal relationships get battered they really take it very hard. While someone with the sun and emphasis in another house may have a coping mechanism that is not dealing with others.

Just coincidentally watching this video as I'm writing this here, Stefan only mentions 'Communism' as an offhand remark in the beginning, the rest of the video is not about that:

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(((Sijune)))

If you feel that way, I hope all the best for you. When I struggled with depression, I struggled very hard because I wanted to live a life worth living, and if I could not solve it using astrology, I considered medication. I wanted to try if it would work, I applied and gave it my best shot, and if it didn't work, I would consider taking medication because it could be so difficult to overcome due to brain chemistry imbalance. When I kept trying and failing, and it was at its most difficult, I kept wondering if I needed medication. It took a few years to overcome it using astrology. I had to completely rewire how I thought because if I thought anything, it would start going towards a negative interpretation by habit. I had to completely change my perspective, and I embraced beliefs that would support me rather than oppress me.

Depression is very debilitating. I was barely living, and I lived like I was gasping for air. Like you, I was plagued with feelings of guilt, failure, self-hate, anger, worthlessness, loneliness, social anxiety, and fear. It's very much like being in an alternate state of reality because everything is colored in such a negative light. Being on the other side now, it makes me wonder why I even thought all those things. It was like always seeing the glass as half empty when the glass is half full.

I think you are someone who has a lot to contribute to the world, so I hope that you are able to get through your depression so that you can live a life.

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I'm not familiar much with astrology stuff expect some generic basic,i can't read or analyze alone charts,i haven't taken or watch any classes,so from that point it can't help me more.Even when you are saying for Mars energy to be controlled and use it,i don't know what should do.

Thanx for the support anyway,i know i'm not the only one here have issues,it's to face it and find the proper solutions for me.scorpiopopcorn_gif

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Hi Sijune.  I hope you know that some of us - me, for example - needed years of trying to understand, wanting to understand, and reading a lot, before becoming fluent in the language that astrology is.  And I'm not nearly as fluent as, e.g. Teresina.  Which leads me to something I do know quite well, that I wanted to share with you.  Whenever we - any one of us - compare ourselves with others, we can forget... that we're each rather different from one another.  I think quickly, and I learn slowly.  Weird, but true.  That's part of how I am, neither a flaw, nor a virtue.  It used to frustrate me greatly - actually, it still frustrates me, honestly.  But, I persevere, because I do want to improve my understanding of myself and of others.

This year (2017) a friend kissed me, in his kitchen, after a dinner party in his home.  I was shocked!  I had no idea, before that, that he had been thinking that he wanted to kiss me, for many months.  I did know, by observation, that he was struggling against depression, even though he takes medication to prevent the worst effects of his brain's imbalance.  I didn't know, until he decided to share his thoughts with me, that he wanted to initiate major new projects in his life.  Conversation by conversation, he told me what he wants to be doing, now and soon, in this step in his life.  It's a funny (odd, mysterious) thing, how, exactly, each of us finds the courage to pursue what we really want.  I haven't ever read or heard anyone decode how that works.  I suspect, no one really knows.  So, hey!  You're not alone, wanting to understand that, for your own life, for your own happiness and satisfaction.

My dear best friend, my sweetheart, found an essential clue to his own longing for greater satisfaction in his life though the simple thought that he wanted to kiss me.  Of course, that was only a clue, a hint, because behind that lay many major ideas of changes he wanted to make in his life.  But, he had to recognize for himself, what, exactly, he wanted to be doing.  (His mother, and his psychiatrist had ideas about this, but so what - he, himself, needed to understand, and decide, in his own way.)

PS I'm telling you about this other guy's process because you and he have a few things in common, astrology-wise.  Doesn't matter, right now, that astrology language is a foreign language (in English, we'd say "Greek." In French, "Chinese.") to you.  I simply hope that you understand that many things are possible, whether you feel it or not, whether you believe it, right now, or not.  My dear sweet best friend in this world spent some years doing his best in an  impossible situation, before making a break, by little by little telling me of his hopes and goals.

And we're way older than you!  So, hey, where there's life, there's hope - you see that?  Yes?  (There are more than a few people for whom I was too this, not enough that - erreur sur la personne, mistake about who they were talking to - so, what!) 🙂

Best wishes to you, Sijune.

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