Today Saturn entered my 3rd House and I was wondering can someone share the experience with this transit?
Two days ago I decided to start therapy, not because I can't deal with the fact my mom died exactly 6 months ago, rather than I can't deal with the fact that I'm alone in my family, I don't feel I belong to them. Yesterday my nephew had a bday, and when I came there (my bf was occupied and didn't come with me, but even if he wasn't I doubt he would come, he doesn't get along too well with my brother, but I don't too, still if he was in my situation, I would have come with him to be a support at least, but that's me) I felt I don't belong in that story. My brother has a great bond with his in-laws and in one moment I realized they would have been just fine even if I didn't come. They spend a lot of time together, but I see them every other month. I want to bring the kids to my place, be with them, but there is always some kind of excuse why they don't spend more time with me. I know the reason, their parents don't want that, they prefer other people, her parents, their friends... I left his house in tears, I cried all the way home, at home I was literally sobbing because of that feeling of loneliness, not belonging, and not having anything of my own.
Is this transit going to have anything to do with the relationship with my brother? I have a strong feeling it will be hard. He doesn't see or hear me, he thinks is moral compass is pointing north and that he is always right, he doesn't acknowledge my feelings or my points of view.
(((((Dori))))
I was just checking that transit, my 3rd house cusp is Scorpio and then it's mostly Sagittarius, so I had Saturn passing through from 2015 to 2017. When it was in Scorpio I had a few losses with some good friends moving away, so they moved from my local environment (3rd h). This instigated me to move out of an apartment that I had shared with my ex-husband. Moving was liberating of my old life but also I suddenly felt a lot of grief I'd been holding back by remaining in the house. Once Saturn went into Sagittarius, I ended up moving twice in one year and found myself eventually in a completely new neighbourhood miles from what was long familiar and in my first apartment of my own, rented, but I organised everything myself and no flat sharing. It felt really good! The following period in this neighbourhood was very supportive and positive. I felt more myself. I also ended up travelling a lot on my own, including to the other side of the world! I also wrote a lot, was doing a poetry course, did poetry events, started a Masters in poetry but later stopped. I wrote a blog and it was easy to write things, it was like I received downloads of visions. Thinking about siblings, I was mostly estranged from my siblings during this time, but I needed it, to determine who I was outside of family roles. It was quite an independent period and I established boundaries so my life could feel more positive. Some of these themes may relate to your transit, although with an Aquarius vibration rather than Scorpio/Sag. Definitely consider the impact on your 9th h too because it will bring in changes there too. It sounds like for your own self confidence and esteem stepping back from your brother's life even just for a period may be positive. I have reconnected more with one of my brothers during Saturn in 4th, and its more balanced now.
@sophiab thank you very much for your insight and for sharing your experience. How do I consider the impact on my 9th? I mean, how to do it, what should I look at in my chart? 9th house? Yes, I thought the same, to put a distance from my family, brother, and uncle and try living a new life without them and maybe trying to have a sense of family with people who aren't really my family. My brother and I never had a close relationship. He was always distant from me and I truly believe he thinks I lead a very unusual life. I just thought maybe we will bond more now when we lost our mother, our dad died almost 13 years ago, so we really don't have anyone else but each other. Okay, my uncle is here too, but already my brother and he don't get along.
My brother has his own family, partner, and two kids, I don't have that yet, and I suppose there is my problem. After my mom's death, he went to his house where he has his partner and two adorable little boys, and I live in an apartment that we now, share (my mom left it to the both of us) but he's okay that I live here, he already doesn't like this house and doesn't want to do anything with it, unless I want to pay him out or sell it. He likes money, for other things he doesn't care about. And I kept living in an apartment that I lived in almost my whole life, and in the end, being a caregiver to both of my parents. I decided to face this empty house without them, without her. Not to run away from it. I've learnt that buried sadness is always waiting for you. And I like living here. My boyfriend and I are planning to buy our own place, so eventually, I will move out, but I would like to keep this place, my mom worked very very hard to afford it, it is our home, and I think it's wise to keep it, God knows what will be in the future, it's a good investment. But, still, my brother obviously doesn't have a need to have me in his life the way I would like to, he sees me as an obligation, and you are right, distance will maybe help, but to me. He already doesn't care. On that bday, if it wasn't for her parents, my brother and my sister-in-law wouldn't speak with me too much. I was trying to start a conversation a few times, but the response was minimal. My brother says they are tired and exhausted because of the kids. Funny, as I saw the talk and spend time with other people just fine.
I wonder what transit in Saturn in the 3rd house will bring for me. I love writing, maybe that would be fruitful.
@sophiab thank you very much for your insight and for sharing your experience. How do I consider the impact on my 9th? I mean, how to do it, what should I look at in my chart? 9th house? Yes, I thought the same, to put a distance from my family, brother, and uncle and try living a new life without them and maybe trying to have a sense of family with people who aren't really my family. My brother and I never had a close relationship. He was always distant from me and I truly believe he thinks I lead a very unusual life. I just thought maybe we will bond more now when we lost our mother, our dad died almost 13 years ago, so we really don't have anyone else but each other. Okay, my uncle is here too, but already my brother and he don't get along.
My brother has his own family, partner, and two kids, I don't have that yet, and I suppose there is my problem. After my mom's death, he went to his house where he has his partner and two adorable little boys, and I live in an apartment that we now, share (my mom left it to the both of us) but he's okay that I live here, he already doesn't like this house and doesn't want to do anything with it, unless I want to pay him out or sell it. He likes money, for other things he doesn't care about. And I kept living in an apartment that I lived in almost my whole life, and in the end, being a caregiver to both of my parents. I decided to face this empty house without them, without her. Not to run away from it. I've learnt that buried sadness is always waiting for you. And I like living here. My boyfriend and I are planning to buy our own place, so eventually, I will move out, but I would like to keep this place, my mom worked very very hard to afford it, it is our home, and I think it's wise to keep it, God knows what will be in the future, it's a good investment. But, still, my brother obviously doesn't have a need to have me in his life the way I would like to, he sees me as an obligation, and you are right, distance will maybe help, but to me. He already doesn't care. On that bday, if it wasn't for her parents, my brother and my sister-in-law wouldn't speak with me too much. I was trying to start a conversation a few times, but the response was minimal. My brother says they are tired and exhausted because of the kids. Funny, as I saw the talk and spend time with other people just fine.
I wonder what transit in Saturn in the 3rd house will bring for me. I love writing, maybe that would be fruitful.
Yes, when considering the themes that may occur during Saturn through 3rd house look both at the areas represented by the 3rd house and the 9th (as a polarity) - so where you have Leo, and also consider the quality of the sign Aquarius and what that relates to - e.g. you may find both dificulty with groups but also may explore new groups, particularly if you found new groups/community in your local neighbourhood. Also if you have any planets in these houses, they will be activated. The transit will be Mecurial in general, so you can also look at your own mercury by house, sign and aspect. And as you have Aquarius on the cusp (?) you can look at your natal Saturn and Uranus too. But start with Mercury as that is so relevant to 3rd house matters. As an e.g, I have Mercury in Gemini in 9th and it opposes Neptune in my 3rd (and also squares my Pisces Moon in 6th) which may have instigated the poetry occuring and also the fact that I experienced both short distance journeys and long distance (Sag in 3rd, Mercury in 9th, etc).
On a personal note, I think it must be very hard for siblings to relate after parental bereavements, because of the grief feelings. I sense your brother would find it easier not to see you because it triggers uncomfortable feelings due to his buried grief and also possibly he feels guilty that you were so close in caring for your family members. He is trying to keep his life going with new family, children, but you can't escape the impact of losing the next generation above you especially if you are fairly young. I cannot imagine the impact. You are probably stronger than him, because you let yourself feel more, but then you get left feeling the isolation, sadness. But it's a more real way to be.
@sophiab yes, I have Aqua in 3rd and Leo in 9th. I didn't know it was connected, thank you for teaching me this. My Natal Mercury is in Cancer 8th, Saturn in Scorpio 12th, but from personal planted that I could relate with what you wrote, I have a natal Moon in Leo 9th. Other than that, my natal chart is mostly 8th and 12th house, no 3rd. But I will pay attention for sure to what happens in my natal 3rd and 9th house.
My best friend said something very similar, that when he sees me, I remind him of our mom. I always thought he doesn't like me and I'm annoying younger sister, a bit odd and quirky, but maybe all of our lives, I remind him of the things he decide to abandon and live a completely different lifestyle.
@dori So Saturn will oppose your Leo Moon at some point in its journey through Aqua. I suggest looked at a 2021 and 2022 ephemeris online and checking the dates when it is within 3 degrees of your Moon and applying. With Saturn already in Aqua you may be sensing this already - it would relate to feeling a bit isolated emotionally or perhaps less joyful. There's probably a few Moon-Saturn aspect posts on here. Saturn can make you feel lonely in different ways when it touches certain personal planets. I'm going to have Saturn square my Taurus Sun when it reaches into the 20's degrees. With oppositions things often play out through relationships - like obstacles, difficulties or anxieties (Saturn) involving the other. Best to prepare, but maybe you already are intuitively!
@sophiab that explains a lot why I'm feeling isolated and very lonely, almost abandoned. I will be keeping track of this transit. I guess I can apply what you wrote on every transit? Jupiter will change in the 4th house next year in March, then I suppose I should again check houses? Thank you for teaching me this, I wasn't aware of it. 