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Beard growing contests and funerals don't mix so well but here we are.

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I always feel compelled to write about funerals I attend.  The brother of the man who passed is personable... and blunt. He announced that a lot of people were dying and this includes his brother. I was at this man's wife's funeral last year.  Anyway, the deceased looked good and there was a good turn out. 

Two different preachers had words to say. One was a personal friend and prior co-worker of the man who died. The other was a colorful speaker who got everyone's attention.

He talked about his brother dying and a month later, his wife died, while he was getting her CPR and yelling at her to come back. He also talked about his mother... he took her everywhere he went, pushing her in a wheelchair, for five years. She said she did not want to be alone, "And yes, it was annoyin'!  But I wouldn't say it if she were here, because she's still my momma and she can still whip me!"

Anyway, he talked about coming to a point in your life where no one can help.  Mechanic? Doctor? Whatever. You're dying and nobody can help you but, Jesus. Hard to argue.

The service was pretty short... the funeral procession was pretty long.  Long as I'd hoped it would be. Longer, actually.

I do like how people behave here, when someone dies. It was not like this in Colorado. It was like this in Arizona, but that was a long time ago.  People pull over - all the way over, and all the way stop, when a funeral procession passes. We had a fairly long drive to the cemetery, ten miles or so on a state highway. But when we went through the main intersection in the small town where the funeral was held, everyone stopped.. eight lanes of traffic.

It made me feel good. The man who died was superb. He is literally one of the kindest people I have ever known in all of my life.  I feel quite lucky to have known him for the last years. He was uncommon.

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@elsa What a beautiful way to honor him, by sharing this with us.

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Thank you for sharing this with us all.  We grew to know and care about him from all you wrote about him in life, we share your grief and mourn his passing too.

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I always feel as though I should respond to things I read on the site, to acknowledge I saw the post. Sometimes I comment. Other times I don’t and it’s just because it’s something that made me think or maybe I don’t have enough to say about it or maybe I want to think more about it. 

It’s funny because any of us who spend time on social media have been programmed to acknowledge something by a 👍 or a ❤️. It’s like a nod. You’re in a room with a lot of people, or a party, and you can communicate that you’re listening to the speaker by nodding or other body language. 

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Yes!  It's why I miss the Thank feature.

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@warped My initial reaction is to say I miss it, too, but really, it’s ok that it’s not here. It’s like taking a chance and saying something, responding or sharing an idea; you’re not always going to get a reaction or response. But that shouldn’t place value on the person. It’s ok not to receive validation for every single thing.

Social media interaction has trained us like monkeys to want that dopamine.

I’m just trying to look at this from another POV.

Maybe I will start a thread. lol if no one comes, that’s ok 🤣

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@allie120 

I didn't mean for the purpose of gratification of those needing validation, I just like being able to say I appreciate the post without having to write a post to do so.  Easier for the busy, tired, or lazy!

Now that I'm here -- emojis aside, it's often lamented that the vehicle of social media and electronic communication fails to convey nuance as effectively as a live personal interaction can with voice intonations and facial expressions. 

But the many tools available -- bolding, italics, punctuation, spacing, syntax, etc. make it very possible to do so in many ways, though duplicating the variations of a raised eyebrow or bitten lip might take considerable effort and skill. 

What electronic communication does make easier is concealing that which tiny involuntary clues in facial expression and body language can often reveal.

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@warped This all got me thinking and then it made me think of gratification, then it made me think of its influence on generations. Yes, a like or heart does acknowledge, like a nod. But as Elsa explained, without it, it can prompt us to engage more. So, that’s a good feature. Sometimes I can just add a few words, to bookmark and come back later after I have time.

This is a great topic, though. It just made me think of how we communicate nowadays, how we respond or don’t. The other thread I made, Elsa brought up how people are just almost beaten down and putting themselves out there is really difficult. We’re close to the same age (you and I, I think) thereabouts…someday I know I will try to explain to my granddaughters what it was like before SM. They live in an on-demand world, so that was a wake up for them as well as me (“That program isn’t on right now.”). It’s wild. I feel like it was easier for me to image my mom having no tv, just a radio, growing up, than it is to explain life before an answering machine 🤣

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@allie120 I just feel like I often come across as a jerk on here because I don’t take much time to think about most posts or respond to many people at all. I honestly don’t have the time. I mean, I have some time on nights and weekends, but I feel like it’s important and essential even for me, to save my energy reserves. Usually when I post on here, it’s done in haste, so comes across a certain way… arrogant or whatever. But I have a lot going on, and I have outside goals that require my energy and focus. Some people see and understand this, especially older people on this site. But people who come here and want someone to help them, take time to connect with them deeply, form some kind of sympathetic bond, probably really think I’m a certain kind of jerk 🤷‍♀️ 
If they met me in real life I am pretty sure they would judge differently.

I am with you on the validation though. We shouldn’t rely on it from others. Getting it internally is where you want to be. It bothers me none when I don’t get a response. I understand what Elsa talks about re energy exchange, and it’s nice to exchange with people but we also have other sources to exchange with. I mean, I get my energy from a higher source.

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@sirena-oceana I never saw you as a jerk at all!

There’s an interesting shift between generations and internal vs external validation. At least from what I’ve noticed. I guess it can make me seem cold. Value and valid seem to go together. 

A higher power is beautiful, like a North Star ⭐️ 

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@allie120 aww it could just be mostly my own self-judgement then. I am not as responsive and helpful on here as I would like to be. I see people looking for connection, for some kind of help, and here I come all flippant, posting things that are off the wall or about me. I just have a lot going on, but I promise I’m not dismissive and completely self-absorbed in real life. I also help people all day long, which is another reason I’m spent in that respect. 

I don’t think it’s necessarily a generational thing but a maturity thing. Yes, internal validation is the same thing as self-esteem (value/validation- valuing the self=self esteem) And for many people, maybe most people in this day and age, it takes years of working on the self to get to a heathy place of self-acceptance. 

ETA I should have said I get my energy from an invisible source instead of a higher source because honestly it’s nothing special. Anyone can do this very easily. “Higher” sounds hard to access, but it’s really not. 

Anyways, I don’t find you cold. I think you’re very warm actually. You take the time to listen and understand and extend yourself. That’s not cold at all.

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@sirena-oceana Aw thank you!

I see you as very helpful to people. I think we do what we can and use this place as we can: to help, or just connect with others. Posting silly or random things here adds dimension. 

Validation as maturity; yes, that’s a better way of putting it.

 

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@allie120 thank you

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@elsa 🤣

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@elsa hehe 😆

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I’m wondering something:

Nearly 30 years ago I had a job babysitting. I went and babysat a little girl from the time she was two weeks old, until she was two. I was the “aunt” as she was my boyfriend’s (at the time) niece. One day she was not feeling good. She was lethargic, had a fever, kind of like a cold. But the lethargy really got me. I called her mom and told her. Her mom told me to take her to her doctor. I remember I was crying at in the doctor’s office because I was so worried and upset and the little girl was not herself 😢.

The doctor examined her. He said, it’s RSV. She’ll be fine. It’s very common with little ones. 

He gave some simple instructions, probably meds. I remember she got well soon. No hospitalization. Nothing.

I had never even heard of it before then. I assume I or my siblings or anyone I knew never got it. I’m not saying it’s not real or it can’t be serious, but wtf is happening now that the news is pushing it like I have never heard it pushed in … forever. 

The fucking news is so damned giddy to pump scare shit. They’re so full of shit.

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I've never heard of it. Had to search. Never read about it in any book... Nothing.

So if it's all the sudden busting out - why?

Maybe a bot can tell me.

I've realized life is better if I ignore talking points of the day. The minor truth they reveal is wrapped in so many lies, it's not worth trying to sort it. Its like gushing diarrhea.

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@elsa For real. My newspaper, local news, national news talking about a tripldemic: covid, flu, RSV. Yeah, that’s not manufactured 🙄. Grasping for straws. I just noticed it because it was yap yap yap, all the same talking points, even when you’re just waiting for the weather report, or you’re busy and didn’t change the channel.

“If it bleeds, it leads.”

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I've worked on this soooo hard. I've spent  years watching carefully, trying to make sure I was getting right and trying to unscrew my head. It has not been easy. I don't think many have got the big piece; the thread that when you pull it, the curtain comes down.

If you get this, you have to deal with being wrong about everything, like I write about in 2015, I think.  So it's humbling but its also traumatic. Horrifyingly so.

Today I was seeing if I could discuss life imitating art which was a topic around here in 2005. But I realized I can't.  It's challenging, for real. People like softballs or better yet, no balls at all. Nothing to see here. Move along. Everybody gets an A!

I realize at this point, I may be on my own for the rest of my life, but in reality, my whole life has been like this. I came out of the astrology closet @ 28. I started when I was 8 years old.  I'm always standing there with my poker face, wheels spinning.

Anyway, I am done with "discovery". I'm done gathering evidence and I've moved into another phase. It's a lot like astrology. Do you mention it, or keep your mouth shut? That's where I'm at. When, where, who, if?

I don't know. I'm not comfortable, that's for sure.  Damn Pluto transit.

But I'm glad I found out. Solved a million mysteries for me so I guess it's worth the exorbitant costs. 

 

 

 

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Life imitates art every time the predictive programming kicks in!  If your discovery can help others as much as becoming a professional astrologer has, you certainly must share it in the biggest way possible.

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 you certainly must share it in the biggest way possible.

I don't agree.  

Take astrology. I may like it and I may benefit from it. This does not mean I MUST go spread astrology around. Astrology is not for everyone and as matter of fact, more and more, I feel it's causing more harm than good at this point. It's crippling people.

So there's that, but you also can't force someone to be interested in what you are, to see it the way you do or anything else of that nature.  "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink?" And then there is the hubris to think you know what a horse should drink.

I think what people know... say, you know a lot math.  It's magic in your life. Are you supposed to hunt people down with a math book? This actually happened to me. Seriously - it's comedic.

My first husband was an engineer and he was trying to make me look at his math books. He had the book in his hand - I walked outside to escape him, he followed me with this math book, "But Peewee, I just want to show you..!"

Now that was funny... we lived in the desert and this is what we were doing, one Saturday.  But hopefully you see what I mean.  In fact, you may very well be "programmed" to think you have to spread something.

So these are just thoughts. I am trying to work it out... and it's working itself out.  As an example of what I mean, I wind up with clients for whom what I know is relevant. And this is always how it's been.  You collide with the right people for a variety of reasons. Colliding with the wrong people also has value. But what I'm saying is, I wind up on calls where the person is lost for good reason. I know what the problem is and in that moment, I'm pretty sure they connected with probably, the one astrologer on the planet who had the piece they need. So maybe that is what I am supposed to do...

Bottom line, if people aren't open to new information, they will not be receiving new information. I can't criticize them because, math is good to know, right?  I was not open to new information.

I am "programmed" to see people as individuals and to respect their boundaries. I'm not going to shove astrology or anything else down anyone's throat.  Why? Because I don't like it when people do this kind of thing to me. It's disrespectful.  

Last, I just want to be clear... I am working on discerning what I am supposed to do. That was really my point. The information has been ingested.

It's like when I read pretty much EVERY astrology book that had ever been printed... this was in the late 80's and very early 90's. There comes a point where you no longer have to read. You have to go live with what you know... and develop yourself.  This is the stage I am in now.  I guess the essential question is, why do I know this? What does it mean. The knowledge has to transform in me, I suppose.

Again, back to the astrology... when I read all those books and studied so hard, I had no plan or desire to be an astrologer. I was just interested!  But that was the set up for this, what you see today.  This is other is the setup for something, but I don't know what. It may be a single person, I will talk to in the future... I have the piece they need and it's helps them.  If that's what this is, it's okay with me. I really like the set up of life, by God.  I can go with it.

Also, I LIKE knowing things. I am a insanely curious person, just like my ex-husband loved math.  So I'm glad I'm assigned this, even if it's uncomfortable. I have astrology to use to understand that...

Packed 8th house and a progressed stellium in Scorpio? I'm pretty sure I will be uncomfortable for the rest of my life. Thank God for astrology, or I may see myself as a victim.

For now, I think I will just carry on as a person who deals with the worst horrors and unsolvable problems... I'm better equipped now than I've ever been. I have a second PhD in uncommon knowledge. Jupiter Uranus aspect in my chart. All is as it should be!

 

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@elsa This topic is crazy interesting to me. I had another post but I deleted it because idk if I was going off topic.

My morning is flying by! Happy Thanksgiving! 

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Thanks! You too. Smile

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@elsa 

I didn't say you should force it on anyone, merely share it widely if it could help others to encounter this information.  

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@warped I'm sorry I misunderstood.

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No problem!

Do you really think astrology is doing more harm than good, or just the new fake astrology?  

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@warped I don't know what "fake" astrology is but yes, astrology is destroying lives at this point. It's undeniable from my perspective.

I have been doing this for a long time. I used to have one call in 50, where someone was messed up by astrology. "An astrologer told me fifteen years ago, no one would ever love me..."

I would hear things like this but rarely. I would make be really angry. I've written about this a couple times.  Today?

Today, more than half my calls are from people who have misread their chart or had it misread.  They have been disabled by astrology.

Can breathe for X days or weeks or months because of X or Y.

When I tell them otherwise.. well sometimes they're relieved but other times, they're too infected.  It's all a bunch of superstition... astrology has no good use at at all.

My charts says I will always attract bastards.
I can't have any surgery until X happens in 14 years.
I can never lose weight... born under a bad star or something.

Stuff like this used to be very rare to come across.  Now it not only common; soon it will be the majority of consolations.  The whole job is to unf-k the head.

It's not rewarding because a good number of people will just go out and stuff their head with more weird stuff.

This is a result, in large part, of people or ai writing clickbait.  The information is garbage and it gets absorbed.

Thanksgiving, one of my husband's nieces started reading about Cancers off her app.  She rattled off some standard moody stuff but literally every other sentence was OFF.

She looked at me for affirmation - her mother is the Cancer. I said, "I don't agree with that."

So right there, it's me against the machine... the machine will win. Astrology is well on it's way to being not only not useful but wholly detrimental. I would not get into this today and I mean that. I just don't see how a person can get it together when what's out there is about 80% trash. It's like meaningless word, sprayed out there as if someone thought about them. 

I don't mean this to be a rant. This is not just astrology; it's everything. Garbage. We're drowning in it.  ::gurgle gurgle::

The machines will win in my opinion.

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@elsa That stuff annoys tf out of me: “Top Five Signs That Will Never Forgive You” “All X-signs do [bad thing/good thing]. It’s so shallow and low IQ.

 

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@elsa I think another factor is UNCERTAINTY. It's become much more present and people aren't conditioned to handle it. Creates more demand for answers.

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@sophiab I feel like people use astrology to go backwards.

"I am having horrible transits for X years so life sucks."

They are actually projecting problems onto their chart as if they're helpless to change the direction of their life.

It also becomes, "misery dick" as in who's got the biggest misery.

But it's the disempowering-ness of it that bugs me the most.  "I can't X because of Y and Z".  Nowhere in astrology does it say, give up, your life is hopeless.

It also make people look for a sun sign X bf, rather than feeling their pheromones or the chemistry they have with others.

There is way too much, "check the chart to cross the street" and I feel people who are picking this up will be impacted, life long in a way that is not at all good. 

It's bad enough, people get caught on something - ny node up by whatzit... and they get real attached to whatever they were told about it.  If you try to tell them another version, they reject it.

This reminds me of a parent tattooing a child via trauma - the person carries this around, possibly all the way to the end of your life.

I'll say this: If your astrologer cannot easily articulate your challenge and provide you with workable, effective solutions, you need another astrologer.

Last, I will admit I am crotchety on this. It's because I just can't stand to see people abused and harmed and wrecked... wrecking themselves, which is what many, many, many people to at this point in time... when they aren't trashing others.  

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@elsa Overall it sounds like a Saturn issue - we're being tasked quite intensely during this period to integrate Saturn, whereas previously it was outsourced within the old Capricornian structures - deferring to a minority of authority figures. Saying it like that, it's a Cancer/Capricorn adjustment process.

It ties in with your other post about knowing something and the burden of knowing it, because to know it is painful. This to me is a Saturn process. You are given the knowledge, find your way to it... because you can, because you have the strength to carry it. It's responsibility, and it's hard, and often lonely. The positive is, you can. 

I think it's part of a general shift relating on one level to Pluto in Cap, which is transforming the previous top down systems, so that individuals move towards self empowerment. As you say the alternative involves a lot of dependency and helplessness which is out of balance and easily manipulated/abused. You're kind of describing the fall out of this transition because it's like dealing with 'addicts' from the old system, who need their authority fix. The alternative being they negotiate and integrate Saturn through lived experience. 

 

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@sophiab very interesting perspective. Thank you.

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