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Psychedelic Therapies Going Mainstream.

Libra Noir
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So, this is happening. There’s no doubt in my mind that used in a sacred way, psychedelics are incredibly beneficial for mental and spiritual healing. My personal experiences as well as many clinical studies have shown this to me. I’m sure there are some people who are against them and there are those too that have had a bad trip (for various reasons). I don’t want to ignore those voices in this discussion. 

Astrologically, I think it’s a perfect expression of Uranus in Taurus. The Earth (Taurus) giving something that shocks us out of our mundane reality (Uranus). Saturn in Aquarius speaks to the discussions right now (like the one in this video) about how to structure (Saturn) this whole thing for society (Aquarius).

The fact that these two planets are in orb of a square probably means there will be some tension around this. Personally, I have some concerns about the potential degradation to something that has been such a powerful and completely positive tool in my life. As much as I want people to have access to these profound experiences, I’ve seen how “fringe” things that enter the mainstream have tended to become impotent with time. Astrology is a good example of that. It’s now available to everyone which could be considered positive by many, but a lot of the information out there is like filler and the astrological masters have to swim in that sea too. 

I see other ways it could turn sour too. 

So, if it’s ok with Elsa (please delete if this post will cause problems for you), I wanted to hear from you all about what your thoughts and experiences are in regards to psychedelics? 

 

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I've learned that what works for others, might not work for me. There's a bit of intuition, life experience, and just 'being yourself', that goes with that!

Whether it's psychedelic therapies, or a new diet. I've tried the fad diets, and advice (s) that gym buffs, and trainers, have gave me, but at the end of the day, what works for me, works for me. Who knows? Maybe there's a part of me that's just a little stubborn, like most humans. ? 

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Libra Noir
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@anonymoushermit If it calls you, you will know. If not, it’s not the time or place.

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@libra-noir,

"If it calls you, you will know. If not, it’s not the time or place."

Oh my God, had I learned this when I was younger, I wouldn't have worried as much, or get hurt over 'missed opportunities'. That quote you gave, what a gem! SRS.

I'm keeping this quote in my heart! ? 

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I've had multiple experiences with them, mostly positive and I do not regret any of it. They are profound tools for growth, not always easy, but valuable. I don't consider them a cure-all, but I do think they have more therapeutic potential overall than psych meds, having had both. But I think the most important thing for making positive changes is what you do the rest of the time, when you're sober.

To me, the first priority needs to be to decriminalize them. We, as a society, don't need to be talking about capitalizing on them until we finish that conversation. Providing a therapeutic framework for them can help with those efforts, and the charge needs to be led by empathetic people who understand their history and culture.

Then we need to keep shifting society towards being more open, free, and connected to nature. More healing of divine Feminine/Goddess/Earth energies needs to occur en masse. If this effort was completed, I believe there would be no need for psychedelics. But either way, psychedelics need a healthy framework and context to operate in, to be of greatest benefit. And I don't think the individualistic, capitalistic, profit-driven model we have in the West provides that context. There's a danger of creating egos on steroids, which would cheapen and degrade their healing potential.

I watched the video. There are a lot of thoughtful people in there who seem concerned about these issues, so I hope such people will continue to have these discussions.

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@space-cadet Thank you! I love what you said about the Divine Feminine. I’m very in tune with that right now too and I could talk for days about that lol. 

Anyway, I agree that they are not a quick fix or cure all. That’s definitely a western way of thinking about it, but plant or spiritual medicine isn’t like that. Really, the plant isn’t the medicine at all. “You are the medicine, life is the ritual.” (Can’t remember who said that). 

As far as decriminalization, well obviously I’m for that. My consciousness, my body, and my life are my domain. My only issue is when things get decriminalized, then the governments get their little paws in it in other ways... although legalization of weed has gone ok where I live. I dated a guy who owned a dispensary. Basically when it was legal he sold weed and kept all his money and after it was decriminalized, the government got their cut. They either make money off filling the prisons if it’s illegal or taxation if it is legal. (Don’t get me started on the prison system!) I wonder which one is more lucrative. 

But yes, Id rather be extorted than imprisoned although I’d prefer to just do whatever I wanted without having to pay tribute to any entity other than Nature Herself. I’m pretty sure that my awareness of my own Sovereignty is a result of my experiences with plant medicines too. I’ve noticed that in others who have done them too. They seem to have more Faith in Self. 

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@libra-noir No, we don't want decriminalization for the purpose of government recapture! Haha. I wasn't thinking about that, good point though.

Everything you're saying here about Nature, Sovereignty, etc. resonates and makes me want to experiment more with plant medicines!

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My state has legalized psychedelic mushrooms for theraputic use. I personally would not use it because I have anxiety issues and a lot of nervous energy but if it helps others, then I hope it becomes mainstream for people to be allowed to choose it for their own mental health issues.

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@purplestargirl,

Yup, I've heard that about some states in the West coast, or Northwest! 

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@anonymoushermit We also became the first state to decriminalize drugs but I'm not sure if has bearing on psychedelics being used in therapies.

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@purplestargirl Mushrooms actually obliterate my anxiety.

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Libra Noir
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@occhineri Same here. I’m an HSP (highly sensitive person) and can’t say enough good things about how they’ve helped me...and continue to help me, even though it’s been a couple years since the last time I ate mushrooms and normally it would be a few years between each experience. Like they are still working from my last experience lol. Somehow it works like that?

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@occhineri That's awesome. 🙂

I do a form of biofeedback to help with my anxiety and depression. It works and I can manage when I feel anxious when it happens.

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Not sure if this will work. A photo taken by me at the Stonehenge pop festival in '78. Ah... those were the days... peace n' love, man. We didn't have two pennies to rub together, but we took care of each other.

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Actually, I committed a faux pas there. That was taken at the Stonehenge FREE festival, located right at the stones, as opposed to its more commercial cousin, Stonehenge POP fesitval located a few miles down the road. No self-respecting hippies would have been caught dead at the other one. The Free fesitval was just that, 2 weeks of ad hoc camping and music, no charge for anything, a haven for hardcore hippies stoned on psychodelic mushrooms and nefarious smoking materials. Reaching its peak with everyone sitting around - and on - the Stones at sunrise on the solstice (clothing optional). HUGE fun. If you can remember any of it at all, you definitely weren't there.

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Libra Noir
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@eleanor-d Sounds amazing:)

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