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Protesting and Riots Across the United States
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That’s true, it’s loud, but I wonder if people with (large) platforms should just never speak to current events? They’re human too and aren’t obligated to know more than us. They’re learning thinking deciding as we are. I think there can be sincerity alongside bad faith virtue signaling–in the very same person. Just like people who are bothered by “virtue signalling” (still unclear what that really means, but I get the gist), can be sincere, but also find some ego fulfillment in going against the grain just to go against the grain. People are messy. 

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That money that is going to be spent on fixing public buildings is our tax dollars. I get what you are saying, but government buildings are really our shared buildings. The government is US. We are all connected. There’s no more authorities, theres just US. We gotta grow up. 

  

The unfortunate thing is that our money also funds police services, so when they abuse their power, particularly if there is a strong pattern against a certain group, taxpayers are complicit. That’s why, even if we hold no hatred for a certain peoples, when we fund a system that does, we’re responsible, at least in part. 

Also, this isn’t necessarily directed towards LN’s post, but just some general sentiments. There’s something that doesn’t sit right with me when we equate life, with livelihood or property. I think it’s awful for people who’ve had their businesses destroyed–I don’t condone that. But it makes me think of how we teach children what to do in a fire. We tell them not to worry about saving anything; just get out. Things can be replaced, but life can’t be. So if we lose everything, if we’re alive, we at least have the chance to start over. That’s not much a comfort, I know. It’s an awful thing. But it’s a chance. We don’t have the chance to get a loved one back. 

So, I guess that’s why I’m focusing on the people speaking out now and on George Floyd, who has become a symbol for so many others like him, rather than the destruction. Because I still don’t know if we would even be talking about this without the riots. I truly don’t know, that’s why I asked that question earlier. I’m still up in the air about it. I don’t condone the destruction, but there’s this weird space that hasn’t really been acknowledged between this current awareness and opportunity for change, and being blissfully ignorant or at least complacent, as we or most were before. Is it a good thing that we crossed that space? How did we do it? Were there any other ways? We’ve seen other videos like George Floyd’s; the evidence is there. And while I think there are some sincere protesters who are also rioting, I think there are also different groups who want to undermine the protests who are mostly responsible for the rioting and looting. And then there are some desperate people who saw an opportunity. 

I’ve also seen some horrific treatment of peaceful protesters, by the police. It reinforces the already glaring problem with police forces–the desire for total compliance, at any cost, regardless of the law. That’s just one problem. I know that you mentioned your experiences above with the police. I’ve heard too many stories from people who need help and decide not to seek it, because of similar experiences, or general mistrust. 

As US-Americans, we tend to have a paradoxical relationship with authority. We love our freedom, yet we give so power and reverence to public servants–politicians, police, etc. 

A loving world is a just one. It’s also one that respects the humanity of everyone, no matter who they are or what they’ve done.  

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I don’t think taxpayers are complicit in that way. I guess awareness is key in that. I mean, those that are abused are also complicit then. Thats just a slippery slope for me. I’d rather be really clear about who’s responsible. We pay people to do shit right. But thats a small issue compared to a much much larger one. I wish things didn’t have to be destroyed but Im not gonna get caught up in that. 

As far as your earlier question which I didn’t understand but think I do now, no. No I don’t think this wouldve happened without some kind of dramatic display or else it would have already. 

Could there have been another way? Probably, but it’s obviously eluded us or been undermined in some way. We might have to work through some shame/guilt/anger/frustration issues about that, and I already see that being part of the conversation. But that’s how real change always happens. The suffering bubbles under the surface, gains energy and then explodes. Im sorry that it had to come to this. Not the riots and looting because, in my heart, I do not see those people as doing it out of principle, but that a man had to lose his life. 

And this is the thing: the world is captivated. We are all talking about this, trying to figure it out. Of course I can’t nor shant weigh a life against that, because like you basically said, life is priceless, but I am grateful that there’s an actual possibility of this  being resolved in our lifetime or at least could be the beginnings of healing. It might take hundreds of years but this could be a large step in that direction. I live in Hope. 

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I’ll repeat myself…. this isn’t a police-wide problem, it’s procedural. The officer(s) did not follow training, for who knows why. You can tell something happened in the officer’s (one holding his knee on the neck) background / past that caused him to become callous. Normal people don’t look into a camera with a defiant expression.

Same for the mistreatment of protesters…. it’s procedural errors, some by mistake, some intentional. Mistakes are simply trying to control a situation and an officer grabs / pushes / etc. someone incorrectly. A simple mistake. I am hard-pressed to recall an officer intentionally mistreating a protester.

Hmmm…. there is that one elderly 70-ish guy up in Buffalo(?) NY, who was knocked down and currently in the hospital. Now…. something is wrong here. Why is an older guy out in a hazardous place? Why is he THAT close? Seems to me he thinks he’s immune / invulnerable / allowed to get a free cheap-shot. One officer was immediately on the radio obviously (to me) calling for medical assistance.

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My experience…. mistrust of police is limited to big cities. Small towns generally know which cops are slippery, and watch they like hawks.

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I am sitting back drinking my coffee. Lets see what happens when one million people hit DC. 

The national guard was asked to leave. 

I’ll wait. 

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I’ll repeat myself…. this isn’t a police-wide problem, it’s procedural. The officer(s) did not follow training, for who knows why. You can tell something happened in the officer’s (one holding his knee on the neck) background / past that caused him to become callous. Normal people don’t look into a camera with a defiant expression.

Lol, yes thats the problem! It’s not procedure to kill people in custody, or mistreat them in any way. I believe you might be trying to say that it’s not systemic? To that, I would say that there’s many ways something can be systemic. I think in this case, it’s a widespread (according to many) psychological bias. It’s not a written code. I wondered about that too, and kind of addressed that in a previous post. 

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There are a lot of facts here that you can get from looking into the area that might influence it somewhat. For instance, George Floyd and the cop did know each other, they worked in relation to the same security firm for about nine months and had definitely met. George Floyds previous criminal record. The reason the police were called in the first place which was due to counterfitted bills that were STILL WET! The other accomplices in the car and the presence of drugs in his system according to the coroners report (Fentanyl) that if his accomplices were already on those with him may have looked like uppers rather than downers. The guy was 6 foot 6 and may have been on uppers, had a violent criminal record and had just got out of a car and was saying he was not able to get in another one. He was resisting arrest.

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It has been upped to Murder 1 and with the presence of Fentanyl in the guys system it is likely to be thrown out. The cops do that when they want to throw the case. He might get done for manslaughter but not likely first degree, you have to prove intent to kill. The point on Asphyxia in the second autopsy is not relevant since Asphyxia cannot be proven by autopsy since the airwaves re- open, as was admitted by the guy that did it himself. (He watched the video to reach his conclusion!) With such tactics being used I would think most people serious about finding the facts in the case would go with the coroners report. Neither report found any provable damage to the neck from what I understand.

I mean, of course there are things that are discussed within this area but it seems this kind of information could change a whole lot so it is good to mention. For instance, I’m not sure which procedures Glenn was referring to (like I literally don’t know or have that information!). In my understanding it is procedure to shoot to kill suspects that may be escaping because then they have nothing to lose and have been known to go on killing sprees. So quite a bit of force is used to subdue resisting subjects.

What I think is interesting though is Venus retrograde in relation to all of this. There have been so many instagram girls and things that have come out with black tiling and stuff. Two tiers in my view those that maybe say one or two things on it and those that do it quite heavily and then slag off people in the comments! Leftism is a hot button issue that most people in any field that is promotion based stay away from, but this catalyst has been strong enough for them all to break ranks on this.

There is also an incredible submissiveness to a lot of people in relation to this such as the police in Britain kneeling before the protesters! (Venusian, female, submissiveness; the bad part of femininity submissive to a bad cause?)

In my view right… IN MY VIEW. These are points that I have thought of since even before these events and don’t relate to this board. But these protests, as I think people said here are something else. There are a lot of very professional people involved and they have had matching uniforms and all that mass produced all over the world very quickly. This operation is FUNDED, and it is very violent. HOWEVER, while it is not everyone there are a lot of people that are still associating with the left and ignoring these things.

There are several astrological points to back up that this is what it is about. In the UK the Labour party elected it’s new leader the day Venus entered Gemini, when Venus entered shadow you had the Bernie Sanders thing and Venus walks up to the exact degree of Donald Trumps sun before retrograding!

So this is what I think the Venus retrograde is about. Also it being in Gemini there are a lot of double standards coming up.

So something to think on!

Apologies on getting heated earlier, sometimes I feel that the Democrat- Republican voting in America is life or death. Also the David Dorn video just rubbed me up the wrong way.

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‘There is also an incredible submissiveness to a lot of people in relation to this such as the police in Britain kneeling before the protesters!’

Soph-tee-clees, I think some police officers do that as a sign of respect for the BLM message. They are given permission to kneel if they feel like it.

Free will, I’d say. Not submission.

(Although kneeling in general before a person does have some subservient or submissive connotations…but that’s another discussion.)

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The 75 year old Buffalo man that was hurt was an activist who was a regular at local protests. He should have known better than to get in the face of the police like that. They shoved him lightly to get out of the way, but he lost his balance, fell and cracked his head open. Older people his age do not have good balance. He should not have been anywhere near the protests at his age because it isn’t safe.

I don’t think this is a police-wide problem at all. It was a problem with that police office. He had an extensive record of complaints against him, a couple he was disciplined for. He shouldn’t have been on the force based on that, yet he was.

I would like to know if there was any relationship between Floyd and Chauvin. Maybe there was bad blood between them. They had to have known and had contact with each other prior to the incident.

We need the police. The talk about defunding them or abolishing them is just irrational when you’re talking about major cities. Who would ever want to go to a place like NYC again if there were no police? BLM and the protesters allowed Antifa groups and plain old criminals (looters) to take over their cause. They burned the cities and destroyed property of people that had nothing to do with anything. They destroyed the lives of the people that lived there. Now there are no stores to go to.

Its sickening and it isn’t about the death of George Floyd. Do you think he would want any of this done in his name? I don’t. Its about politics. Its about the election. Its about destroying America. Our enemies are funding a lot of this destruction.  The protester’s message is lost in it all.

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I’m so sad for our country. 

In two weeks there better be millions of  CV cases. If not, then is that a hoax? Is everything upside down? (to be CLEAR I don’t want anyone to be sick!!!) 

This is like a living nightmare. 

First we couldn’t move because our state wouldn’t lift restrictions. Then, when the restriction lifted I prepared to leave again… and the city of Atlanta was on fire. So, I had to stay back again. 

We can’t get out of here. Now I guess we are going to be moving during a MercX? Omg……… 

No two people have ever had this much trouble moving from one place to another in the history of people trying to move. 

2020 has been a reality show. 

The path from my front door to where we are moving had 6 hot protest/riot spots. I have to travel alone so my family came unglued when I attempted to leave. There was an actual riot map on google eek_gif

He was supposed to start his new job 5/4. Here we are. 

What’s next? Locusts? Weather events? 

Thanking God there were no big issues in DC… and thanking God for the National Guard who did show up. 

I have a calendar on the fridge right now. It’s the CV countdown. In 2 weeks I want to see what the virus numbers are. If they don’t spike does that mean they locked us in our homes for almost 3 months for nothing? My DIL lost her amazing job for no good reason? Thank God my husband and boys still have their jobs. Thank God no one is sick. (my parents are teetering on the edge though) 

Are the riots over now? Are we done yet? 

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Hang in there, soup.

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I don’t know what the lack of a spike will prove. It doesn’t pass as easily outdoors. Which is why locking people in, preventing them for going outside, and closing national parks was stoopid.

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I guess what Soup is saying is that IF there isn’t a spike–then the only conclusion is that all the lockdowns, the job losses, the economic destruction, the keeping kids at home, masks, social distancing was for nothing. As a nation, maybe we just screwed ourselves royally. 

If that’s the case, I can tell you–politicians, medical experts, the healthcare industry, and the scientific community will never be trusted again.

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Just saw this video tonight. Three generations of black men–the older two are conceding that the way their generations tried to confront these problems aren’t working, so they’re begging the 16-year-old and his generation to “come up with a better way!” 

It might come down to that. I’ve heard it said that the Zoomer generation can take quantum leaps (in other words, they can go  from Level 4 straight to Level 7 with no problem). 

 

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Im noticing a lot of ass kissing (not here, but out there). I don’t know about you guys but when someone tries to pander to me, it’s the ultimate turn off. I will NEVER give up my self respect to make someone else feel better. Im a stubborn prideful bitch but Im not uncaring. Bowing down and having compassion are two different things. I don’t want anyone to ever have to bow to anyone else ever again. I want that to be done completely for everyone. Hopefully you guys understand what Im saying. I feel like it could be misinterpreted. 

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