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Protesting and Riots Across the United States
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Friday, June 5, 2020 - 1:13 pm
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Warning: May triggers some people. And some people may STRONGLY DISAGREE.

I do believe that sometimes peacefulness doesn’t work. Some people do need something explosive to get their attention!

However, if you’re gonna be violent, be violent to the cops or the people involved in this whole fiasco (three of the four cops, one told the officer to take his knee off the guy’s neck). I agree, don’t kill innocent cops, but perhaps go after the three cops that were negligent or violent! Also, don’t loot and vandalize…..innocent business owners.

I don’t think killing even the guilty cops is good, either. But, I do believe sometimes you have to make noise (yeah, but don’t kill them). Getting attention of the law-makers, other police officers, and government, is the key! I’m not above a little vandalizing of the police stations and government buildings, just not innocent people’s jobs and buildings. 

I don’t mind if this comment is deleted, if it rattles too many emotions or just isn’t for some people. 

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That money that is going to be spent on fixing public buildings is our tax dollars. I get what you are saying, but government buildings are really our shared buildings. The government is US. We are all connected. There’s no more authorities, theres just US. We gotta grow up. 

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Friday, June 5, 2020 - 9:17 pm
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I agree totally. My daughter and I were discussing this and felt the same way. We both agreed {we usually dont agree on most things} it made more sense when they burned down the police station. That was a statement of the injustice in that particular police dept. Burning down businesses makes no sense at all but to undermine your cause. That Is why I think outside influences were the main perpetrators .

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Friday, June 5, 2020 - 10:16 pm
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Opalina,

I prefer no vandalizing and rioting, but I can also see how humans sometimes need loudness to get others’ attention.

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Friday, June 5, 2020 - 2:19 pm
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We got this Sag full moon now so… 

Fire  moon

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I think some really profound healing can come from this. I meditated yesterday. I can feel things in the collective when I do that. I cried when I realized what this really is- the negative forces, the ones trying to undermine reconciliation and a loving discussion are not going to succeed. And yes, sometimes discussions get heated, but at least we are talking. Its so beautiful, so sacred, Im so grateful that so many people are being validated and loved in this process. It will be a process, this isn’t an after school special. Scars like this don’t heal in a season, although we never know. God is great and can perform miracles in that way. So there’s that. 

Another thing that came up for me was what I thought when the metoo movement happened. I was shown something. There were men during that who were in denial about the depth and breadth of abuse against women, but that’s because they weren’t the ones doing it. They weren’t abusive and couldn’t place themselves in that position. Plus, they want to distance themselves, from the whole thing. Well, I didn’t use to believe that there was systemic racism (I believed there was racism, I just couldn’t accept the depth and breadth of it, like the men who couldn’t accept the abuse of women)  because Im not racist, so I couldnt understand it and I did want to distance myself from it. But I realized that that of course is not where I want to place myself in this. So Im sharing that, even though it probably makes me look like an asshole. 

So just like with the metoo movement, there was a period where women shared their stories. Not to teach or educate but its that throat chakra activation that is so important to healing. I see that space being anchored by many. 

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Can’t agree with soup more if I climbed into her skin (too crowded in there anyway).

Figured it’s safe enough for me to enter the fray.

This protests…. world-wide at that…. is nothing more than corroboration by a well-oiled and well-financed machine. Plain and simple.

My fellow Double-E’s…. Americans…. this government has already done enough to correct the injustices against those whose ancestors (that’s right… great-great-great-grandma and grandpa) who were forced into slavery. Do I have to list them again? Ok.

  1. Civil War. Fought for many reasons, ended slavery.
  2. Amended US Constitution. 13th, 14th, and 15th to be exact.
  3. Civil Rights Act 1960’s.
  4. Federal Regulations and Laws.
  5. War Against Poverty (welfare and benefit programs).
  6. Additional charges to courts (Clinton Era Hate Crimes)

These all at the national level, then there’s similar at each state level. Government at all levels…. national, state, county, city…. has more than compensated for ancient violations. It’s time to put this to rest once and for all.

Otherwise…. children will be born into a world where the only solution will be to put non-black people into slavery. Even if it’s slavery where everything they earn is handed over to those of color. This appears to be the goal of those that are stoking the fires of anger.

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The police officer whose actions initiated this situation…. is nothing more than a procedural error. I don’t know if he knew better or simply had too many difficult days dealing with uncooperative people. Something happened months years ago that forced him to divert from procedure. It is his past that eventually led to these events.

He is now facing legal repercussions for his actions, including divorce. No matter what happens from this point on he will live in hardship…. as is proper.

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The usual racism hawks are out. Rev. Sharpton is making the rounds, and stirring up the masses. Other younger *pastors* are out adding their voices and ladles-paddles to stir the cauldron filled with boiling anger. All these are crying out for more laws.

*sigh*

Can’t legislate morality. But can legislate forced compliance.

I suspect if the authorities pulled all the officers involved and hung them / beheaded / burned at the stake / tortured for weeks where the public could watch…. any of these will NOT be enough.

*sigh*

Our school system hasn’t taught US History for quite some time. And it’s my generation’s fault. We better start forcing our schools to start…. but may be too late.

The 6-items I listed above everyone once knew. At least the first five.

These just my thoughts…. from an old retired military guy. I’m doing my part working with (a few) young people. Anyone else?

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 To your comment on the cops divorce, that is being done to protect his family ‘s assets from civil suit. We will see if he loses the his loved ones because of it.

 I agree the government cant do much more than to be more stringent when it comes to the police depts. They need to break up the good ole boy network in the system. I am a survivor of domestic violence. It’s a well known fact that cops commit a higher number of domestic violence and the cops will not hold another accountable.

The government should not make restitution because of slavery. Some of the top corporations in this country that started during slavery and utilized slaves need to. The slaves should have inherited wealth just as the relatives did. The government could enact legislation  for these companies to pay up.

 I just read an article that by 2030 the 1percent of the 1percent money will be all inherited money.

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Its a statistical truth that law enforcement is one of the top 5 professions of psychopaths. I have a friend whos abusive husband was a cop. When he punched her in the face and she called them, they came to the house, arrested her, and let him take her kids out of the county. 

Ive had really horrible interactions with police as a white woman. I just think the vetting process needs to be better as well as training in things like psychology, the cycle of abuse etc. I remember when I tried to file a police report against my ex when he told me that I was going to end up hog tied with a gun in my mouth. They put me in a tiny room with a uniformed male cop. I couldn’t talk. I was terrified. Shit like that. When I fled the state with my son, I almost got charged with kidnapping. 

I was talking to a former Marine and a wonderful man one day and he was telling me that he didn’t think former military should be in law enforcement. He said that when you are just taught to kill kill kill and then you are put on the streets enforcing laws, it wasn’t good. And many law enforcement are former military. 

I just think the whole system needs to evolve. 

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Saturday, June 6, 2020 - 10:05 am
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No offense…. but I disagree on one point. Good ‘ol boy network. Any that exist does so informally, because the written procedures are clear as day, and because of the numerous federal / state / and local laws.

Another thing…. laws in the United States (being clear for sake of everyone living elsewhere) only allow restitution for people who were living and were directly affected by someone’s or a company’s action / inaction. This means if someone took a baseball bat and hit my grandfather across his body, I can’t claim it hurt me and I too deserve $$$’s.

Therefore if I can’t make a claim and I am living, so much more for those who are further back in ancestry. Just as the courts won’t allow me to make a claim with a living relative, it should NOT allow me to do same with a relative long since dead.

Besides…. many races now work in those companies whose past actions once were harmful to colored people. I’d say the scales have been leveled.

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Its not a crime issue its an inheritance issue. Just as family members of these companies have inherited over generations from the company their ancestors built,so should family members of the slaves. Maybe we just need to do away with the inheritance system altogether. That is another topic however.

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*sigh* Let’s agree to disagree.

Inheritance suggests someone is entitled to what you / company has. Actually it isn’t the company per se, it’s the owner. In regards to very large companies…. the Board of Directors. Companies that sold stuff to slave owners are liable ONLY in regards to how their product functioned. In our capitalist society this is how things work. Injury resulting from products are settled in a court of law.

I could not disagree more vehemently against reparations.

How far back can it be legally enforced? At what point does it mean you can’t force the descendants whose ancestors committed slavery to pay reparations? Now fast forward any number of years into the future…. can descendants force companies still in business to pay again? According to logic of the *reparation movement*…. answer is *YES*.

As long as the company (and by extension the United States government) remain in business, there will always be those who simply want to make *them* pay for my ancestral pain. Never mind that it once was paid in bloodshed (Civil War), in government action (amending the US. Constitution, new laws at all levels), and court action (hate crimes laws, lawsuits).

Reparation…. if you look back through History you will find evidence of nearly every society conducting some form of slavery. The Native Americans did it…. to nearby tribes. Europeans did it… back when kingdoms still were young. It is still practiced in Muslim countries. Africa… South America… even in the Pacific Islands (although quite rare).

So…. nearly every person can point back to a period in time and claim he / she / it is owed reparation from another group. Even if it is limited to modern times…. SOMEONE can make the claim if a movement starts to get it going.

This is why I am so against reparations. So much has been done to make amends…. and yet all it takes is for a movement to get gullible people involved. And by *gullible* I mean not being aware of the motives those pushing it. Or of everything that has been done to make amends.

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I agree there are a lot of really negative influences in this movement. It’s disgusting to me and I wish they would go home. I don’t believe it’s manufactured in totality though. I just believe the timing is such that we need to have a fucking conversation as a nation, as humanity.

I don’t think saying “just get over it” works. Wether or not their feelings are based on facts, you can never deny someone’s experience or someones emotions. What’s been used again and again with no effect is the Masculine approach of going through the information. It’s a wonderful approach for many things but it hasn’t worked here. What’s never been used is the Feminine approach of actually delving into the emotions. Thats why the healing never happened. That’s why this issue just keeps coming to surface, it’s a wound that is crying out for resolution. 

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Not my words but definitely my sentiment: “The virtue signaling is deafening”

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Friday, June 5, 2020 - 10:37 pm
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Ive noticed of course. I talked in my last post about the ways that I was trying to disassociate myself in the past. I think virtue signaling has the same psychological purpose. It seems like it’s acknowledging others pain, and born of compassion but it’s really something else. What exactly that something else is, is hard for me to put into words, but parasitic is close. 

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