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Libra Noir
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Wednesday, June 24, 2020 - 12:22 am
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You nailed it. These rituals and symbolic acts! Ugh. I can’t watch. My higher power doesn’t demand any tokens, He just loves me. 

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yup. Catholic, Protestant, Greek and Russian Orthodox all have sacred art forms. Only undecorated church I’ve ever seen is a Quaker Meeting House.Think of all the stained glass. 

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Monday, June 22, 2020 - 10:18 pm
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The Quakers were persecuted, tortured and killed at one point in American history and they live by the principles of nonviolence. Just a little tidbit of history that’s not taught. 

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Tuesday, June 23, 2020 - 12:56 pm
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I believe they served as contientous objectors in wars as well.

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Libra Noir said I don’t think most people understand that blm is a political movement at all. It’s being presented as a social movement or a movement of thought. I personally think you can’t deal with racism on a policy level.

 

I’m with you 100%. Suggestions for how to be “anti-racist” always seem to include voting Democrat. I keep asking myself how I can instill change in people’s hearts – because I know there are real racist bigots out there terrorizing good people, it’s wrong, and it’s definitely not something that the Democrats will fix. And I keep coming back to Christian values. Not exactly what they had in mind at BLM headquarters, but I think it is our best bet! Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you… and build up your own community in whatever capacity you are able.

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I think that’s so beautiful Cocopeaches. I didn’t realize how much I needed to hear something like that. Thank you. I agree with everything you said too. I think applying fundamental spiritual principles would help a lot too. Love is powerful. I get caught up in all kinds of emotions about this stuff but that’s what I also come back to. Love, balanced with Wisdom is always the answer, to everything. 

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Today a big rally is scheduled at the Kentucky state capitol building.

It is the Justice for Breonna Taylor Rally

The rally founders are from California. Such a long way to travel. 

The police officer who shot and killed Breonna was finally fired this week. Finally after months. The Louisville mayor fired the police chief weeks ago when he read the police report of the incident which was deficient of officers’ faults. The mayors of Louisville and Lexington have banned their police from using no-knock warrants. The officers entered the wrong apartment! They were mistaken as intruders. 

I am agitated. I fear for the city I worked in for most of my career. 

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A timeline I read said the police went to her apartment looking for a drug dealer who had been observed letting himself in and leaving with a package on several occasions. It said he was someone she did know, not wrong apartment, but that he had already been arrested by other cops that day. Her boyfriend was awakened by the forced entry and shot at the police who then all shot back in his direction, wounding him and killing her, both in the apartment hallway, not in bed. The police claimed that they knocked loudly and announced who they were.

If media accounts of such an incident can vary so greatly, how can anyone know which is accurate?

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This post is about institutional racism in the UK although it does mention racism in the UK.

In the UK two sisters, Nicole Smallman and Bibaa Henry, were celebrating the older sister’s (Bibaa) birthday early this month. These two women were sadly murdered in a London park. These women were black.

It has transpired now that two police officers took selfies of themselves smiling with Nicole and Bibaa’s dead bodies and posted the photos onto a WhatsApp group.

There is a BBC News video of the sisters’ mother describing how she felt and reacted when she was given the news (by the police) about the selfies these two police officers had taken. She explained how in the deep south in the USA it was very common to take pictures of a lynching group with the dead bodies of black men they had just killed. 

This mother (imagine the pain) said that she felt this is what happened to her daughters and that the two police officers had dehumanised her daughters. She said the officers felt so safe, so untouchable, that they felt it was okay to do this. She also said it was institutional racism which I completely agree with.

The ethnicities of the police men have not been disclosed and I don’t think it helps to jump to conclusions about their background at all.

I will say that when I heard about the selfies I did think that there was a racist undertone to the event.

Turning my mind to black people killed by the police in the USA I just want to say that I’m in deep pain these last weeks, not only because of these deaths and what is behind them, but because when learning that people are killed by the police, there are often too many voices (in my opinion only) alluding to the dead people’s lives, real or alleged criminal lives or past…in the UK, in the USA, in the world…

Is it a defence to feel less disturbed? A way to justify the death/killing? A way to say they had it coming? I’m confused and saddened.

No matter what the person has done or what others might think a person has done (alleged, gossip, truth), these deaths that are being protested about so strongly are simply not acceptable, no matter what the person might or might not have done.

I really liked Buendia’s post a while back in this topic thread where this matter was touched. It was so humane, Buendia, it really touched me.

Just watched the whole Eric Garner video from start to end. The group restraining in the video is traumatising to experience (I cannot imagine how scared Eric Garner must have felt – primal fear, I imagine) and it is traumatising to witness because as humans we want to connect with others and because of our mirror neurons in the brain (which helps with empathy and connection.)

He said ‘I can’t breathe’ 11 times. Some bystanders asked the police repeatedly to move off from him to help him breathe. Nothing, this was ignored again by the police…then it was too late.

Clearly there was no empathy for him so I suspect unconscious and racist biases (e.g. ‘dangerous big black man’) were stronger in the officers’ brains than the force of their own brain mirror neurons attempting to elicit empathy for the man they were restraining.

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Afterthought: apart from a racist undertone to the horrible selfies incident, there could be an intersectional element of sexism towards the sisters as two female victims.

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When I saw the Eric Garner video, I was sick to my stomach.  The cop that did the choke hold was fired by by the NYPD because that isn’t allowed.  We’re talking back in 2014.  Still, the same cop is suing to get his job back now.  Makes me sick that anyone would take up that case, but you know lawyers.  

It looks like the system was set up to do the right thing as far as choke holds go, but why are they focused on a guy selling loose cigarettes on the street?  (that’s what Eric Garner was doing)  Five cops intervened and one killed him.  Same kind of thing like what happened with George Floyd.

Its just disgusting.  When I grew up, cops were friends of the community and got to know people that lived there.  They didn’t persecute people like they do today.  Times were different, that’s true, but maybe they can take a page from back then and use the more “friend of the community” approach to a lot of situations.  Certainly in an Eric Garner type situation.

Not all cops are bad, but the few of them that are make them all look that way.  They need to change their way of policing.

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I’m beyond tired hearing about these *protests*. As previously mentioned, the “Black Lives Matter” movement isn’t what it appears.

Talk Radio these past few weeks has brought up countless examples of the hypocrisy about this movement when many people / organizations tried saying variations on their logo. Variations such as: All Black Lives Matter, All Lives Matter, etc.

Didn’t matter what variation used it was blasphemous to the BLM membership. Only their specific words were acceptable. Hypocrites…. all of them!! It also exposed their true motives.

So…. I can’t write in this forum what I really want to say about them. I sincerely hope most of my fellow Americans are revolted about all this. November is coming…. vote, Dammit!!

Vote for Mickey Mouse or Goofy for all I care!! Just. Vote.

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Well I guess middle America is not going to stand for this foolishness. 3 rioters are being charged with terrorism in Oklahoma. The DA says “This is not Seattle” LOL

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