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This is a term and concept that has become commonplace. Narrative.  I started thinking recently about exactly what that was, and wondered if it had any power and if so, what was that power applied to.

I’m talking about the stories told about current events (whatever they may be, no one in particular). Since when do we get a choice in that? Is that a wonderful thing that we are being given options about which perspective to take? Isn’t it even better that we can even add our own unique voice, experience and perspective to this story? That many narratives can run concurrently without degrading another? Or do they degrade one another, and if so, do they have to?  

Also, how powerful is narrative? What impact does it have on the near future? The distant future? Is “what is happening” open for discussion? If I call something “Healing” instead of “War”, does that change anything? Can we form reality with words in that way? Is that alchemy or delusion? 

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I used to like this term, before this past half decade or so. lol.

Those are really complex questions. The first thing I thought of was that saying (paraphrase), He who is victorious is he who writes history. So regarding who gets a choice in that, in the past at least, the choice has rested with whatever side wins. 

I think we can form reality that way, but it’s a power I’m not sure humans wouldn’t abuse, even with good intentions (I’ve been thinking a lot about powerful tools, that might be too powerful for humans). 

For example, I think the terrorists on 9/11 might call their actions “healing” for their people. I think nearly every American would use a much different word.

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Thank you. I know there’s not a lot of context in my original post. I was trying to not get into other issues, so it’s really abstract.

 

I think it’s already been abused though. From the beginning of time probably. I think if the terrorists had called it healing, that’s exactly what it would have been. If that was the direction their minds had looked in, if thats the principle they had honored in their planning, it would’ve played out differently. You know them by their fruits, I guess. 

The winners write the history books. I was thinking about that too.

It just seems to me that reality is so fluid.  That it will fit into whatever shape it’s given. And the story offers that structure. Im not saying it’s easy to do, there’s lots of stimuli, but I’ve noticed that my experience will often match my deepest expectations. The narrative offers expectation. Im talking about each individual having power over that for themselves. 

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Also, how powerful is narrative? 

It’s very powerful, it can create your reality. It can brainwash people.

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Agree! Propaganda/narrative. Neptune in Pisces. How do we parse all this shit? 

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It’s odd, because although one can attempt to create their narrative, it, the narrative, can still be changed, edited.

I believe that there is freedom in not being caught in one’s narrative, but just living truthfully and being vulnerable, etc.

I’m also reminded of Edward Bernay’s, the nephew of Freud. This goes more so into the topic of manipulation of what one sees and does due to the psychological tactics employed through advertising, coupled with business sales and more. He is called the “godfather of propaganda” for a good reason. Involved with the United Fruit Company and more that created a coup de ta in numerous countries so that American businesses and the government could seize resources.

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Thank you. I’ve personally experienced freedom from taking command of my personal narrative, transforming it. That doesn’t negate authenticity and vulnerability at all in my experience. It’s actually helped me tap into deeper realms for myself. And I rewrite it all the time, when new insights or desires present themselves. 

 

There’s a balance to be struck though. Maybe I needed to balance my Masculine and you needed to balance your Feminine so our deficiencies were different. I guess it depends on the persons system. 

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Oh, I definitely needed to balance the feminine within myself, something I excluded or repressed.

Since 2016, I’ve openly cried more than ever. Started after having my son. And the reasons range from sadness, friends dying, to pure joy and comradeship.

I feel a more complete human by engaging with the full emotional spectrum. Becoming sober has tremendously helped too.

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Awesome! I really appreciate your efforts, truly. 

Becoming sober helped me tremendously too. I didn’t realize how much substance were constructing my awareness. 

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Agreed. Perhaps due to our disposition for already having the innate propensity for engaging with how magical “reality” already is means, as you stated, obstructs our awareness.

My narrative feels more internal yet ironically needs reflection through the external.

I don’t want to control the narrative but more so what manifests the narrative, which lies in my actions, rituals and such.

It’s a damn good question because many want control, especially over their narrative.

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“whoever controls the narrative controls the world.”

Not my quote but I find truth in it.

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This is an extremely deep and interesting question which I probably will not do justice to.

Narrative is very important.

Some people take in a narrative about the opposite gender for instance and it destroys their ability to relate to them.

Some people allow a narrative to dictate their choice between career and family!

Narrative can be a big feature in bullying, and is ALWAYS a feature in discrimination.

They are so powerful on a societal level they are beyond our individual ability to control.

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I used to do that with men. You can see it in some of my old posts. I was raised with certain ideas about men, that you all were violent assholes. When I realized how destructive that was to my experience and my true desire to connect with everyone, I changed that story which changed my experience. 

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Yeah, also the problem is with that kind of belief is it is self reinforcing.

So if we take “all rapists” as an easier and more common examples. Guys that are just trying to relate normally and then get weird behaviours from girls will generally not tolerate the weird behaviours. But guys that are desperate to sleep with them will tolerate the weird behaviours, and will be deferential which relaxes that kind of girl for some reason.

In my view this is how some girls end up as feminists. They are condescending and passive aggressive which means they end up dating guys that just want them for their bodies, then after a few of these relationships they can’t psychologically take anymore and get ideological and weird.

Another general problem as well is by this point she has alienated guys that have a tendency to genuinely look out for women and take care of them.

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