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Narcissists, narcissism, NPD etc.
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Hey,

So a subject that has been talked about a great deal in youtube videos and some psychological literature, is something called ‘narcissists’. Closely related to but not the same as the medical condition ‘narcissistic personality disorder’.

It is in fact really a term used to describe features of psychological abuse and is less so about what might be termed ‘self centered’ behaviour, at least in my understanding. There are many features to this behaviour pattern but some of them are things such as: Gaslighting, scapegoating, triangulation, hypersensitivity. There are different ‘types’ of narcissism such as grandiose, covert, malignant (i.e. sociopathic), communal and benign. Benign is the least dangerous and is kind of like some small tendencies towards some of the features, such as grandiosity and insensitivity. But none of the more creepy aspects of the disorder, like gaslighting.

The area is not that easy to grip in my opinion. Because it is an explanation of a pattern of behaviour it is a term pretty much anyone can use which makes it not really a medical term but more of a term similar to that of ‘asshole’. There are different schools of thought on it in that some people think it is very common as a literal pattern of behaviour and some think it is overused in order for people to demonise the partner when they have been the unreasonable ones. Also the subject and statistics are not clear since the profile is of someone that is very full of themselves and is very insistent they are innocent of all wrongdoing despite actually behaviour very badly. So almost none of them would actually accept the diagnosis of ‘narcissistic personality disorder’.

But in my belief there is an almost demonic sense connected to what would actually be termed narcissism. Like it’s something that if you have experienced it you get it and if you haven’t you don’t really and it can’t be put into words.

Anyone else interested in this term, or have anything to say on it?

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People who consider all others to be objects for their use and amusement.

People who recognize no higher power above themselves, and no consequences for their behaviour.

People incapable of love, empathy, compassion, loyalty, altruism.

People capable of cruelty and brutality, oblivious to suffering.

Sounds pretty demonic to me.

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Tuesday, May 19, 2020 - 4:35 pm
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Point three would be a sociopath. or malignant narcissist. In my understanding the narcissist per sey is a little different and in some ways more complex.

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I think some people are possessed. frown

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Or even groups of people.

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I think w/ Venus Rx it’s something to think about, relationship interactions of all sorts are coming to the fore now.

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Yes, narcissism is something I have found to be related to the transit of Venus. I think it is because it is a subject more often related to how women view the world. Probably it’s larger demographic are women manipulated by more powerful and virulent guys. So the discussion of it then becomes Venusian.

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Probably anyone drawn to astrology has at least a passing knowledge or has had some experience with narcissistic behavior. Narcissist has really become a buzz word the last decade or so and I think a lot of people throw it around in reference to certain behaviors that aren’t necessarily a symptom of the actual disorder. It’s definitely become more of a theme in our increasingly self-focused society.

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Yes, that’s a point you could make. Like I have seen an article which was saying not everyone’s a narcissist and one of the examples given was a woman who’s husband refused to do the wallpaper or something. Yet another was a girl who said her boyfriend was a narcissist because he wanted to spend time alone.

Although I find the further you go into specifics. The people who become more professional and sometimes clinical, the more the examples become pretty harrowing. The ones with parents that were narcissistic, often mothers, are especially harrowing.

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Just answered each one there.

Yeah, one of my thoughts about this whole area is that narcissism must happen on a sort of gradient and so, if I am looking to be able to spot the behaviour in my everyday life, the study of it must include a fairly wide range of behaviour. So right from the benign narcissist (almost harmless) up to the sociopath (sleep like a baby after they ran you over with a truck).

An interesting part of the behaviour pattern is that every behaviour links to another. So hypersensitivity, means you are likely to scapegoat to keep people away from you that you are hypersensitive to. Which means you have to lovebomb to an extent and perhaps gaslight the initial target. This sort of dynamic can lead to triangulation (using two sets of people against each other) and a whole horrifying dynamic and pattern of energies begins to show.

Being knowledgeable about such things I just think is useful.

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Tuesday, May 19, 2020 - 8:17 pm
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We must speak in an subliminal language. We can’t let THEM hear us!

ose-thay  arcissists-nay  re-aay  istening-lay  o-tay  s-uay.

If you can speak pig, you will understand the Latin! embarassed embarassed embarassed embarassed embarassed

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I could write story after story about the ex husband/NPD. Instead I will just say that having been at his mercy and not understanding AT ALL what was happening at the time I’ve since learned more than I ever wanted to about this insidious disorder and the ramifications of it. Once you know/see it in action you can’t unsee/unknow it. 

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