@elsa What is considered early puberty?
But considering the list you provided and the certain agendas today, blue light is possible.
@elsa I looked it up and apparently puberty starts ages 8-13 in girls and 9-14 in boys. It said eight and nine are definitely early puberty. But wow, these ages seems very early to me, considering girls my age back then. I’ve heard lots of people say hormones in milk, for instance, could be a cause. So many things can interfere and interact.
@allie120 Puberty started for one granddaughter at 9. Another at 10 the other when she was here over the summer. She is 12. The one that was here over the summer spends the most time on her phone.
I started late, a month before I turned 15. I realize this is really late. Later than most. However, my sisters started between 10 and 12. There were no computers then. A wall phone, one tv.
I think it is genetic.
I also believe any change has to do with FOOD. The difference is in the food we have available to us today, and what was available to us all those years ago. Sugar consumption changes hormonal response.
I found this: Sugar not only provides major highs and lows in mood and energy, but it can also disrupt one of the most powerful hormones in the body: insulin. And insulin is closely connected to all of the other hormones in your body, including estrogen and testosterone.
@soup I started at 11. I believe 10 was considered early at the time. Fifteen is later than most. And same with us, a wall phone and a tv.
I agree that it is genetic but I’m also wondering about the food supply, the things floating around, or absorbed into any food we eat. All the plastics? I know that our daughter serves the girls organic milk, etc, but there’s no way every single thing they eat is “organic” because that’s just not real life. But even if you ate mostly “organic”, assuming you try hard to be free of pesticides and whatever other additives go into animal products, you still have water sources. Think of all the prescriptions, birth control, all the mental health meds, all of that…Then there’s food packaging.
Oldest granddaughter is only 8 and I’ve heard nothing yet. Our daughter did say she was super moody these months but that could be just school, friends, anxiety…who knows.
But there is so much to consider, that it’s overwhelming. And add phone, tablet, computer screens. Remember when they yelled at us to be 6 feet away from the tv? Now look at our faces in these devices.
@allie120 YES! I do remember when they told us to sit back from the TV and remember the microwave? They told us to never stand in front of it. Our first family microwave was a big giant on the counter, and we weren't allowed to touch it, only my mom.
I'm glad your brought up plastics and all the things that end up in our water supply. Do they really get it all out? Can they?
People consume more sugar today than ever before. And they wonder why their pancreas is lit up. Type 2 diabetes at an all-time high. We rarely saw anyone with weight issues (no shaming as I have been through this myself, so I count myself in this! I own a mirror and a scale!) when we were growing up. Now, it's the norm. The consumption of carbs is off the charts. (Refined or processed carbohydrates) Turns straight into sugar. Metabolism wrecked. Then the hormones. And of course.... why wouldn't the reproductive system be a mess. The whole body is.
Low-carbohydrate diets help smooth out the highs and lows in blood sugar that lead to hormonal instability in the first place.
As far as blue light or electronics, what is the answer? Just like food. Don't eat it. Electronics? Put them down. Get off the computer/phone. Say no. Whatever you can find on your PC, or your phone isn't that important. Then what? All these people are out of work too? The people writing the articles are putting them on the internet lol... so? Do they want us to take caution or read what they have to say? I am confused.
I have given up with all the contradictions. We are all going to die. That is my conclusion. Before my dad passed at 85 his doc told him in his late 70s... you need to change your diet now, do this, do that. My dad laughed and said, how long do you want me to live? I am tired. I am going to eat a steak, drink a beer and slide out of here happy. And he did just that. At 85. They told my mom not to smoke. Or have a drink. She smoked; she drank. She died an old woman. They told her, she said I will live the way I want. I am old. Leave me alone lol... passed in her 80s. (my mother smoked for 68 years) Horrible I know. But she told us to mind our own business. And we did.
I think of all the precautions I take, and my parents and grandparents did the opposite. Grandparents living till almost 90. Great grandmother 98! They partied lol I certainly have no desire to be here until I am 100 years old. Gross. I can feel every bone in my body now 😳 (I'm still going to try so it's not so painful though. It's the inflammatory pain for me. I don't want it)
Overwhelming is right, Allie.
We are all going to die. That is my conclusion. Before my dad passed at 85 his doc told him in his late 70s... you need to change your diet now, do this, do that. My dad laughed and said, how long do you want me to live? I am tired. I am going to eat a steak, drink a beer and slide out of here happy.
I have thought about this a lot. As you know, I have had a lot of people die around me, recently. I also know a lot of things others don't. I have felt that a number of the people who died were lucky to have done so before the veil dropped. Their reality was in tact?
Saturn is in Pisces now, see? Reality is leaking.
Anyway, thinking like that, I came to understand that some people would rather not know things. Not in a judgmental way, but because they are not me. I want to know things on steroids. I am driven!
So I said this once; a person may not want to know and one of the reasons (subconsciously or otherwise) might be because they know they're short time, anyway. This is another reason to turn away from a challenge.
Again, I don't say that in a judgmental way. I turn away from things all the time... anything boring for example. See you later, bye!
I have tried to stop talking and sometimes manage but damned Libra, goes back and forth. And I want to talk, of course. But I am working on this. I just wanted to say, as a person nears the end of their life, their time is precious and I fully support them doing whatever the hell they want. 
@elsa I was referring to my parents. In your mid 80's you are tired (that is what they told me) and they wanted to eat the steak, drink the beer or smoke the cig. And who was I to tell them no? You are lucky (or cursed so they said) to live that long. And they felt like they wanted to be left to do what they wanted because they knew they were short on time. They just wanted to be happy. They liked their stuff... whatever it was... they were eating or doing. My dad took himself off some of his medication because it made him feel sick (sluggish) and he wanted to feel okay for what time he had left. When mom was in her 70s, I was all over her. I said you have to... (fill in the blank) and it made her mad at me. I just loved her and wanted her to avoid pain, but she said she wanted to live that way and I had to accept it. I admit I was selfish wanting her to stay here longer. She didn't want to.
I fully support it too. I agree with you. Still, I hope that a child gets a chance. If phone usage or blue lights or whatever is bad, be it overindulgence in sugar or whatever, I hope they are guided to something healthier, so they have the same chance my parents had to a long life.
I wish I knew more about things like these in the comments. Things like blue light and plastics and overuse of cell phones. I am trying to learn. I feel lucky to have been born before all these electronics were available. I am so glad we had freedom to play outside and eat an apple off the tree in the backyard. Makes me sad my grands will never know that kind of freedom.
I got my first cell phone in my 40's. I managed to live 2/3 of my life without one. No one had one. People had to call me when I got home and hope they didn't get a busy signal, or that they got an answer. Funny how it has all changed so quickly. Today, everything is about instant gratification. We had to wait. Wait for the food to be cooked, for the call to come in, for an arrangement to be made. I don't remember expecting anything to happen instantly. I watched my grandmother hang clothes on a line and wait for the sunshine to dry them...
Interesting conversation! Open to learning.
@soup I'm glad you clarified this. My husband told me fifteen years ago, my kids had no clue what freedom. I've come to realize he was right.
This is really fascinating stuff. I don't think generations are organic, to be honest. I think it orchestrated.
Like I remember my (hip) sister informing that "bad" now meant "good". I wanted to be hip too, so bad meant good.
Now my son was here and he ran through some zoomer lingo and it's origin. Like it comes from some gamer star in a chat / esports, and it gets picked up.
Same thing will happen to them. Bussin means one thing to this generation - a younger generation uses the same word and they're killed, lol.
I'm going to say this in very plain language. You asked me once, what I thought when I cracked the big one. I told you I was scared to death... and I was. This is hysterical, in hindsight. I was scared I was the last to know!
Now I know I am in a very small group, which may or may not be growing. But to be honest, this is like astrology. There is so much bs out there right now, it's mass confusion unless someone can boil it down, correctly. Plain f'in language. So you may have spared yourself a lot of rabbit holes. And Mars the luminary.
I am not talking about which rug will be pulled, where. I have no idea! But I know who my enemy is and that's pretty important! It's also the piece most everyone is missing.
Like you neighbor is not your enemy. You see that.
It's like this:
You know you can't see the word, unless and until you see it. But once you see it, that's it!
What you're looking for this type clarity. There is nothing there (Pisces) and then there surely is (Saturn).
I will write about this, as I can. I am really trying.
I think it's pretty easy to get started on the stuff you're asking about. If the screen's gotcha like a tractor beam, something is going on.
Lila has always been aware of TV but it's only in the last year, she stares at it spellbound, without glancing away, without fail, for the last year.
New frequency, see? SOMETHING.
And I see young kids who won't turn from the screen for anything. Cake, cake, pie? No, they're addicts.
So addicts fare?
Unfortunately, addiction is the tip of the iceberg.
You hear about "boiling a frog" all the time. Water slowly heats and the frog doesn't realize it.
We're all boiled frogs, where I am an anomaly because I missed all those decades of TV, no music videos... I also missed half my education, if we're talking 1-12th grade. So I am a weirdo but it's paid in spades at this point because I can see what happened to ya'll, and myself to a lessor extent.
Leonard Cohen comes to mind. It's a matter of letting the glass crack so the light can come in.
That word above? Until you see it, you may think it's a safe bet to say it's not there... it's a TRICK! But then you see it... and if you do this a few times, eventually you will wonder what else you're missing. That's when the light can come in.
@elsa That sentence about the kids staring at the tv, not even knowing that cake and candy is offered right next to them! (Sorry, I still haven’t figured out how to copy and paste, as the dot thing keeps disappearing)
I remember this with my brother. But perhaps the saving grace was three channels, limited shows for kids, no other devices, and the parents were always getting you out of the house.
But I see it with my granddaughters. It’s like they’re hypnotized, they’re captured. And it’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. But that just may be a “me” thing. I hate trite, shallow, one dimensional shows. Plus they are kids shows.
Anyway, that really suck out for me but I think you’re spot on in all that, too.
@allie120 the parents want him to have his brain; not be caught in lies and a false paradigm.
@elsa I apologize when I am unclear. I get to rambling. Then I am misunderstood when I wholeheartedly agree.... but I am trying to find the answer, which is important to me as I have these three little girls, I am still passing information to as fast as possible. I get on a train of thought and then scatter... (I blame Mars in Gemini)
Why? Why do I want the information? Example. I remember both of my grandmothers going through menopause. They went through it cold turkey. No hormones. No help from a doctor. Raw. They managed it. But I was too young to ask the right questions. So, while I saw it with my eyes, I was too young to understand that I should ask. I am trying to think of things like this.... that they won't know to ask, but I know to tell them. When I went through it myself, I thought it sure would be nice to have them here to tell me about their personal experience with this. I don't want to sound like some lady in a rocker telling them about the 'old' days. I want to add value to their life if I can from my experience. Forewarned is forearmed. I was gifted that from my grandmothers.
I love these discussions. I really do. When we all talk about what is really going on as opposed to the trainwreck I see before my eyes that makes no sense to me. Leaving me confused and aggravated because I am so confused.
My husband has never been on social media. He started watching TikTok. All of a sudden, he was watching and watching. I said... have you noticed? They give you an accumulation of time you have spent on their site weekly. Look at it. He did. He was mortified. He said, done with that. For him, it was that easy. He immediately noticed how easily he could get caught up scrolling when he would rather be on a long walk, listening to music, playing guitar, playing with the dogs, cooking with me.
Kids... they do not understand this. We have been without it and know what it was like, before. You even more so because you were completely void of it altogether. (which was a blessing!)
@soup The sugar…oh 100%. We’ve been lied to for decades about sugar, fat, cholesterol, red meat, all that. It’s disgusting. Like Men in Black 💥 ⚡️ 😵💫”now just forget everything people in the past ate”
I used to try to suggest my mother do certain things. Or what I did a lot was believe that if I could get her to do something with me, take her someplace, she would want to go do these things, get out more, see all these opportunities. But there’s a lot going on (in her mind/physically). And now she won’t go anywhere and her world is tiny, compared to how I see the world. And the question is, would I try to get her help or let her be in her condo with her tv, newspaper, her bad knee, and focused on “the lady upstairs”? I have to let her be where and how she is content. So unless something is dire and she’s unable to care for herself again, we will just visit, help out, talk to her. She loves us so much and tells us and sometimes cries when she reminisces. And I only can get a few minutes out of her when I want to tell her something about me because then her focus goes right to her or something related (but not me). I know she’s proud of us and is glad we have spouses in our lives. I have learned I can’t go to her when I need a parent to listen to my accomplishments or a trip or something. It’s just a different relationship than what I had with my dad.
Anyway, my son-in-law and I were having a conversation years ago about end of life choices. He was opposed to people not choosing all options to try to survive. My FIL had chosen not to pursue any treatment beyond surgery for his cancer. Neither my son-in-law nor I talked about this specifically, but I did say people, adults, do have the right to choose treatments. I can understand my son-in-law’s point, although I disagree. He believed that it was selfish and denied the survivors. Maybe it was age, being young and perhaps not having been in contact with people suffering (it was along time ago and there have been many things that have happened since).
My mother has us kids, nieces and nephews, but really so few contemporaries. Imagine how that is 😔
@allie120 I can identify with every word of this. I went through it with my mom. We would start talking. She would ask a question. I would answer. This answer may start her on a tangent about me needing to remember to be safe and don't go in the woods alone. (something I have never done nor will I) I was thinking, does she remember how old I am? Then immediately she went into her discussion about the doctor, her medicine and that tiny world she was living in, and she could not be my mother anymore... she was winding down. Down into this very small world and space where not a lot happened but still, it was a lot to her. Her focus was now contained, and she was no longer who I once knew which was a little too extra at times... but still I could call her.
I had to let it be. I did not like it. I wanted to take a team of people into her home and scour her entire house and make it clean and organized. I wanted to fill her fridge with foods that were good for her and ... you see where this is going. It is what I wanted. Not what she wanted. She wanted that stack of crap of ...who knows what next to her on her side table. She wanted to save aluminum foil and newspaper. She wanted to smoke. She liked a shot of bourbon, and she liked me to mind my own business.
I guess my point is, we can tell people, but will they listen? Do they want to know. Back to what Elsa said earlier... she has this information. She wants to give it. It's important. But will anyone really listen or if they do, actually apply it to their life? I know I will. But talking to my mother was like talking to a wall.
@soup Every word of this. Yes. ❤️
The tables have turned in many, many ways. We listen to them and try not to argue because what they say is important to them and it’s real to them. 100% real. And if they’re safe, that’s good. And they’re content, good.
My mother was expressing some worry about the possible government shutdown because she thought she wouldn’t get her social security. And what pissed me off was, my mother watches hours of news and reads the Sunday paper and apparently got no assurances anywhere in that, that she will be ok. (And even if not, she has all of us kids who would pay for anything for her). So, why scare the elderly? Nope, your family needs to care and listen. (We told her she would be ok and would get her check.)
So, you have your adult children you worry about, then it turns around and you have you elderly, but grown adult parents now. 🙏
I’ll also add that I have been blessed with so much valuable information from my mother, and so much unconditional love, too. No matter what.
@soup a question for you. What happens when/if you are traumatized. Tears? Kill? Depression?
It's an important thing to consider. If you can't deal with life turned inside out, stay back. But to be honest, I think it will all be upturned for you with your upcoming pluto transit.
You will feel like a dissected frog, if you ever had that exercise in your science class.
Spouses are another thing. One wants to know. The other doesn't.
Point here again, depending on a person's circumstance, they may be better off knowing what they know and nothing more.
@elsa I am not sure how I am to respond to this. Maybe make it clearer because I am not sure I understand.
@soup I'm saying this is not a trifling thing. You look into the abyss and it wrecks your world.
Look at it like this... you see the hidden word. It's very simple. But what is "hidden words", so to speak, are everywhere, all over, everywhere you look and it's been this way and you never noticed?
That's the situation; I am not even remotely overstating it so what if you were to realize this? That you have never seen what has been shown to you, yet, in your entire life and further, everything in your life has been affected by this; every thing and every person.
Could this be something you want to sidestep in your life? If you're 80 - yes! Unless you're like me, of course. People like me will always seek higher ground, higher education.
See, the affect is detrimental, even if it was fun, having this happen to you. So when you realize, it's traumatizing. On the upside, it's the greatest breakdown/breakthrough a person could every suffer/enjoy.
If I might add a comment about phone, computer use, I have noticed it's effects. As I do energy work, I started perceiving it's effects on me energetically and how it impacts my connection to my consciousness (soul awareness, I guess). So, too long on phone or computer leads me to experience what is known in spiritual circles as separation energy, it makes me feel, empty, powerless, negative and despairing, the source feeling is one of limitation and "can't". Its like the opposite of love energy that is energising and positive, feeling my potentiality, no sense of limits, and that I can create, manifest my beliefs, which would be described as unity consciousness, you feel positively connected through a strong sense of self continuity, it is a soul feeling not an ego feeling (although you can infuse the ego with consciousness more and more). The effect of separation energy seems more to do with self interruption, distortion, fragmentation, lack of centre and from here it's difficult to feel creative or positive, like you have agency.
I think there is something about the essential binary nature of computing that leads towards this disconnect feeling, despite what you can create with code, it feels limiting and reductionist when exposed for long periods, also advertising has a unpleasant vibe, narcissistic, and then we are also exposed to the majority vibe of the collective consciousness, which is struggling alot in transition. I had a very real problem with my phone usage during Saturn in Aquarius. I was aware of what was happening but couldn't stop, addiction, I put it down to being overwhelmed by what was happening in the collective. It's weird to be conscious of what you are doing but still unable to stop. I felt controlled. It seemed to be a grief response, collective. I've moved on thank God and am able to discriminate again.
Another place I feel separation energy very strongly is the supermarket. I can go in feeling OK and come out feeling negative. I have to check myself and consciously shake it off. I think that's collective energy. It's important not to take responsibility for the neg energy, you can say, "I don't want to feel that" to the universe and it drops away, that actually works, you have to command it and be clear.
So yes, it's real and it has to be negotiated carefully. I am framing it through my energy healing paradigm, but I'm sure it can be framed in the best way for each individual to understand it, self observation is key.
Sometimes I do abandon myself (this is key element) to an overlong internet surf, also I call it going down a wormhole. I know it will be bad for me, but I realised dealing with reality straight without any illusion 24/7 is demanding, so it's like medicating for a bit. Toxic medicating, but I know I'm heading towards not needing to do that, but it takes time and learning to be fully present all the time.
@sophiab Thank you for this insight and for putting this into words! It can help us to identify shifts in mood, I believe.
2016 and I was already up to my neck.
https://www.elsaelsa.com/astrology/fake-reality-life-in-a-socially-engineered-petri-dish/