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Libra Sun Scorpio Moon and other people’s opinions

Libra Noir
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I’m not sure how to approach this topic, because I’m not really sure what it is actually about. Maybe that’s what I need help with. I’ll just tell you the conversation that brought it up for me, and we can go from there. (I really do feel that every two years, this becomes an issue, so maybe it has something to do with Mars?) 

So, I was telling a Pisces friend about my desire to homeschool my son and he was very negative about it, and a few other people have been too. This is just one example of many, and it’s not just him. It seems to be a theme that my friends and family (except for my sister) are very doubtful of my decisions. 

I find this hard to process because I actually do contemplate others viewpoints, but it tends to undermine my confidence profoundly. Until today. I basically told this friend that I don’t need to hear his opinion. It was either that or completely disengage and I know that would hurt him. Maybe this is why I’m so private! 

So what comes from this for me is that I understand not trusting you me. I get that. But what about trusting Life? I need friends that trust Life, that trust the natural processes of Life, otherwise they will hold me back from engaging with my processes and initiations. And I understand that that leaves people in the dust, or at least there’s that fear for them. which I guess is my Scorpio energy (transformation).

My Pisces friend told me that people share their opinions because they care. I have doubts about that. Or I think if they do care, it’s not a pure kind of caring. It feels like a smothering of an internal energy that is geared towards Growth, not caring. I understand in their minds, that they do care, but the expression is warped in my opinion. 

So, I don’t know if anyone can understand this. I’m sure I sound like an asshole lol, but I am being real here. I also understand that some onus is on me to discern what opinions I internalize and which ones I don’t, but that’s a Libra challenge because I do take in ALL information. But my Scorpio planets just want to do what I want to do! 

So anyway this is just a little insight into how the Libra mind works when paired with Scorpio planets. Love you all. 

Sorry about the weird format. 

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If you have the availability and your son is agreeable, why are these people objecting?  Do they back up their opinions with legitimate reasons?  Are they aware of the benefits or unaware of the deficiencies in current public schools?

Perhaps it's a "If it was good enough for me..." reaction?

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@warped-by-wuthering-heights I really don’t know for sure. It’s mostly with things that I feel are really positive steps and that any logical person would support. I’ve had some wild ideas and done some wild shit but something like homeschooling my son-I don’t think it’s a crazy idea, so it’s gotta be something else. 

Intuitively, I feel that some people want to be more a part of my life and this is like an attempt to stake a kind of claim or control? My independence seems to be threatening? That’s my guess. If that’s the case, it works exactly the opposite, in that it motivates me to shut down communication and run away fast (which I have done many many times). 

So I think control might be the thing? I don’t know. I have that Sun/Pluto/MC conjunction, so I do meet that energy.

In this case (although it’s happened with various other friendships too), I also think that he has some feelings for me, so not sure how that contributes. In every case though, I do feel that in essence it’s an attempt to put me in a box or a cage. It’s a pattern-my pattern of course, but don’t know what needs to be resolved within to break it. 

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It seems to me that you are fearless. And these other people might be fearful. 

More specific to this incidence - Does your Pisces friend have a kid in the same school? Because if so (and just ignore this if this isn't how it works where you live), then there's also the fact that as more families that pull their kids out of public schools, less funding will be available for the schools that lose students. Soo if your kid would go to the same school as your friend's kid, then it could be perceived, and feared, that the school would decrease in quality because of your decision. 

Actually, screw the idea of school funding, it's probably more likely that the school would decrease in quality because of the absence of your kid as a student/peer. The brightest students are a real asset in the classroom, because kids follow the lead of their peers more than their teachers, and I gather that your kid is pretty bright. 

Another thing, as more parents choose to homeschool, other parents might just feel inadequate. Even if he's not a parent of a student in your school district, any of these things could be swirling around in his head.

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@cocopeaches Thank you. Your sentence about fearlessness resonates. Although I do have fears, I also have a strong urge to overcome them. 

Good points about the schools. His kids are grown so he’s not invested in the outcome, although I know he cares about me and my son. He is just more of a conformist, so maybe I do feel that pressure from him to conform to the norm, and every fiber of my being tells me to go my own way, so maybe there’s some existential things going on within me about that, not to mention just the current time period we are in, but there’s always been this external pressure to go with the flow of society and an internal pressure to be authentic and true to my own intuition. To be real and just to tell you how deep this is for me-I feel like I’m fighting for my Life most of the time when dealing with people like this and I doubt that he can fathom that. I don’t want to throw away our friendship and he’s been a great friend in many ways, but if it comes down to it, I WILL bail. 

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I can understand this fairly well. I have a similar signature having a Libra Moon and a Cancer Sun under the Moon's rulership and also my ascendant is in Scorpio. You always make sense to me.

Where to start? My brain is feeling scrambled today so please excuse me. Libra is so nice, too good to be true, putting everyone else first and seems unable to think of her own needs. This l know. It is great for everyone else but not always great for Libra. It becomes a burden at times and it does not always work. We look out for other peoples feelings, treat them with care and dignity, tread carefully and live by the golden rule. Libra believes  in doing right by others and is willing to sacrifice power and will to achieve this.

Opinions are a dime a dozen. Everyone has one. It does not mean that we should always share them. I think Libra understands that fairly well. Other signs not always so much or at least to a lesser degree. Opinions concerning our children are the least favorable of all opinions. I have found that to be universal. I never see anyone extremely open to it or wholly accepting of it, myself included. It is sort of a line. When friends go there they are crossing a line. They do not understand your son and his needs. You do. You have invested your whole life in him. An opinion about your child's education that challenges your thoughtful consideration is unwelcome. Public education is in such a horrifying state and it is toxic at this point. I can see this. Your boundaries are being drawn out and opinions are, in a sense, being weaponized and used to question your sovereignty ala Mercury and Mars.

Over there in Scorpio, Mars and Pluto will turn Libra upside down. Scorpio is going to drop the pretty, and get angry about letting go of power in order to transcend desire. Here are the battlegrounds. All of the oxygen of Libra is lost here. These waters are rich in nutrients and they speak of deeper and forgotten things. Conflict will eventually build until the only way to achieve any sense of harmony is take a stand for yourself. Libra does not care for the feel of this.. It is not being an asshole to use that Mars. Your Scorpio planets probably are not doing what they want to do but what they have no other choice but to do. It is destiny l guess.

I have the same conflict of interests with the Libra/Scorpio in my life too. I also have the onus on me what to internalize when it comes to what people think. I have made a great deal of progress on that and l know you are doing even better than l. Libra smiley Scorpio smiley What a pair those two are abrading against one another.

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@ln Thank you so much for taking the time to write this awesome post! And for understanding. I’m going to take some time to digest your words because there’s a lot there to sink my teeth into.

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Hi Libra,

My best friend took her son out of mainstream schooling in the last year and the positive change in him has been nothing less than extraordinary. From being a child who lacked focus and always gave up at the first hurdle, he's now fully engaged, producing some wonderful pieces of artwork, and I mean truly  stunning, and he's zipping through his coursework like a bunny rabbit on amphetamine. We're even producing evidence to the local education board that the work is all his own because he's unrecognisable from the boy he was this time last year.

In my view...

It was the best thing my friend ever did for her son.

She loves her boy more than any other person will at this stage of his life

She knows his needs, better than anyone else ever could

She knows how to communicate and engage with him better than anyone else can

She instinctively knows how to motivate him and get the best out of him.

She can spend seriously focused, and better, one on one time with him more than anyone else can.

And, most importantly...

She really wants what is best for him in a way only a loving mother can.

These are simply facts, from my day to day dealings with her and her boy.

Speaking directly to you, I can bet my backside that all this will deeply resonate with you, as your son's mother. As well-meaning as friends can be, they can also be prejudiced for reasons that are not always clear, from being secretly envious that you'd take such a bold step and being slightly jealous of you, to simply pigeon-holing people because it's what they feel most comfortable with. At the end of the day, they are not you and they are not in your head.

As long as you are pretty confident that you can handle the work he needs to do, and that he will still get opportunities to socially engage with other children, you can't really go wrong. I acted as Devil's advocate for my friend, at her request, so that she knew without doubt that it was the right thing for her to do, as she wanted me to challeng her position in order to identify any potential gaps in her approach. She asked, I didn't impose, because I trust her judgement and, as her long time friend, I know I serve her far better by supporting what she wants to do by finding solutions to problems, rather than simply impose upon her what I believe is best. If I was to do that, I wouldn't be much of a friend... i'd be a bit of a (expletive deleted). 

All I would proffer, is to go with your heart, it knows the way in this particular case. Your true friends will try and find ways to support you, not discourage you.

Just my two penneth...

Best

J Smile

 

 

 

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@jswtrinity Thank you! I live in California and there is no in class learning until January. He looks at screen for three hours a day and that’s the extent of his education. In a classroom he doesn’t do much better, I just send him for socialization (He’s a Leo Sun with Libra rising) and he researches the things that he’s interested in at home. From what I understand not many kids are doing well with this setup. 
So, I’m essentially homeschooling him anyway except that we are also being held accountable to the school, which is annoying. If he’s going to be home, I want to do it my way. I can make it fun for him. He’s getting all Fs (even normally good students are failing) so it’s basically like we have nothing to lose. He’s 14, and been earning money working for that friend I mentioned, that disapproved. My son has already saved up enough to buy a hunting rifle (we live in the country) which is one of his passions and they are working on an old truck for him to drive when he is 16. My friend also had something to say about letting my son have a firearm. He’s taken classes, had lots of practice, we have a large gun safe and only I have the key. I try to always support my son in his passions. I explained this all to my friend, but after thinking about it I don’t think I owe anybody any explanation or justifications for what I’m doing with my son. LN nailed it- it’s about boundaries. Just because he’s helping me out by giving my son a job doesn’t mean that he gets to play that part of head of the family (which I kind of what  I’m starting to think he wants.) 
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@libra-noir Yes, I think you're right... and, yes, he doesn't have a right to dictate, however it's framed, and however well meaning it appears to be. Re: firearms. Whilst they're banned where I am, I really can't see there being a problem with you allowing your son to follow his passions. At his request, I taught my son how to handle and use a knife safely, how to start and manage controlled burns, and how to physically defend himself effectively, all in the hope that he would rarely need to use these skills, but would be competent and safe enough to do so should ever the need arise. It's all about perspective. Kids are innately curious and will take risks, period. It's part and parcel of their journey of discovery and personal development. As parents, it's our job to choose how to manage that journey and mitigate any risks so that they are as low as possible, whilst still giving the child the freedom to discover (i.e. you being the only person with the key to the gun cabinet). With my boy, I reasoned it was far better for him to learn these skills from me, under guided supervision, rather than simply saying "no" because of any fears I may have harboured about his safety. To my mind, a "no" simply increases the risk of getting a visit from the police, or a call from the hospital one day because he'd got himself into a misadventure that was just too tempting to stay away from. Due to this approach, I've never been given any great cause to worry about my boy unduly... and I wouldn't have anyone else tell me any different! Judging from what you've said, it seems like we possess a similar mind set. I give my decisions a great deal of thought, just as you have.

Anyway, I really hope your friend sees sense and gives you the room you need to breathe. If he's harbouring feelings for you, as has been suggested, some fear may be coming from him that makes the possibility of losing you a self-fulfilling proficy. Us human beans are a funny old lot, aren't we... Either way, I really hope it all works out for you and that the home teaching yields the results you'd hope for. Like you say, under this current climate, any attempt couldn't be any worse than what they are receiving now.

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J Smile

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I find his comment really frustrating. Mainly because I understand what you mean about wanting to consider other people's viewpoints and preserve the relationship, yet something like this is undermining. He shouldn't have a say in this...nor should anyone who is not directly involved in parenting your son??

I would view this as his own baggage to carry and try to let it go. And I would put this friend "under observation," so to speak, to make sure this type of unsolicited negativity doesn't continue, because it's not sustainable long-term.

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@space-cadet Thank you. We’ve been friends for about four years. I knew pretty much right off the bat that he was not an inner sanctum friend.

 I’ve always held him at arms length, because he can be veeeery clingy (yet complained when a woman he was dating got clingy. I bit my tongue). I’m not in the habit of ignoring texts but I choose to with him because he gets addicted to any shred of attention. Other ways too: he is an extreme gossip- I don’t tell him anything that I wouldn’t want the whole county to know, which isn’t much. He just also shines too much light on me when others are around too, and makes me the focus, shares things with others that I’ve told him in private, which makes me incredibly uncomfortable. I don’t know if he can not pick up on my discomfort or thinks it’s cute or funny or something. 

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@libra-noir I'm really sorry for chipping in, but this...

"he is an extreme gossip" and "shares things with others that I’ve told him in private"...

Wow!

He's increasingly starting to sound like an utter (expletive) Muppet, to be honest. Me and him would not get on... I know that much. There's nothing less endearing than a man who acts like he's a member of a sewing circle. A real man never tells. Trust gifted in confidence is honoured with silence. No exceptions.

Perleeeease, pretty please, tell him you've found a nice man you're now getting intimate with! ?????

In seriousness, I feel for you. I understand your position is quite delicate because of your son... I can only speak for myself, but I would count the days to when I could close the door for good on this man. Perhaps my impressions are off, but I pick up on him bringing far more grief to your life than joy. You're certainly owed a lot more respect than you are being shown, without a doubt.

Oh what to do, eh? ☹️

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