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A lot of the new Republicans coming in are for the America First agenda.  That is hopeful, but we need more of them.   Its hard, but we have to try to elect them.

If you look at what happened in the recent VA governor's election, Youngkin started turning things around right after he got elected.  There was cheating of course, but so many people turned out to vote from the rural areas, the cheating wasn't enough.  We have to do that everywhere.

People are waking up everywhere thanks to the inflation, school problems, etc., and they aren't happy, they're fed up and pissed off.  The state of the economy has always driven our elections and it will drive the midterms.  Maybe new people in Congress will put the brakes on the runaway train.

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@jofrance there is no difference between old or new on either side. This is very easy to discern once the veil drops. The veil seems very thin to me but who knows. Maybe the veil will never drop in which case people like me with suffer.

I initially stated my belief, we can't vote our way out of this.  I know this to be true so participating serves no purpose outside of letting politicians know they are still getting away with their bullshit.

Hard to say how small the minority I'm in but more people figure this out every day. Point being I'm not the only one who has cast their last vote.  There is zero chance I show up to vote.  My husband also has no plans to vote and here's a shocker. Our reasons to opt out are completely different. 

 

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@elsa The amount of people who don’t vote has always been larger than those that do. If that was counted as a vote….? 

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@libra-noir I didn't mean the "minority" in regards to people who don't vote. I meant the minority aware that voting is meaningless.

I've never missed an election in my life, nor has my husband.  We were as far as you can get from being non-voters, until now. 

Anyway, I'm not going to participate so I'll step out of the discussion.

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@elsa I don’t understand this comment at all but my point was that the majority actually do not vote. I don’t think it’s a minority that think it’s meaningless at all. Not sure why that would be a point of contention but ok. 

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@libra-noir I think we are having a Mercury Rx deal here.

I believe you are telling me that the majority don't vote. I wasn't thinking about that when I wrote my comment. I didn't even know this was the case but I assume you're right.

My remark was to clarify this statement I made:

"Hard to say how small the minority I'm in but more people figure this out every day."

I was trying to say that a minority of people cracked between this election and the last. We do not think voting has an effect for one reason or the other. I am in this group, as is my husband, for independent reasons.

I am sorry I wasn't clear (twice).  Your statement is true. My statement is confusing. I apologize.

I also mean to derail the thread so I'm out.

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@elsa Thank you.

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Well, the system itself is corrupt, so its hard to change that, but the party in power means a lot.  We need to take back Congress and stop the current agenda.  We can't stop everything with new people but we can slow it down.

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@jofrance

That's true, the destruction did slow down for four years and most things improved greatly.  But that made the enemy go full tilt ever since -- perhaps it was even part of the plan.  The UN has just announced that they're "accelerating" their Agenda 2030, the WHO, the WEF, ESG, the Great Reset -- slowing it down enough to reverse the worst may not even be possible. 

We're in a global spiritual battle.  If we can't vote our way out, what can we do?

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Voting is our only good option to slow it down and derail the global agenda. Until then, there's gonna be a lot of pain.  We're all feeling it.   We need to elect law makers that will fight against the takeover of anything in our country. We're a sovereign nation and don't need the UN, they need us.  Without the US their plan won't work.

 

 

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@jofrance 

True, though our very sovereignty is in jeopardy with the WHO Pandemic Treaty and the Amendments Biden is adding to it.  May 22-26 in Switzerland.  Can it be stopped?

But to Not Vote, not even locally, for those who may be able to slow down the destruction, is equal to voting to speed it up, which makes no sense.  I'm thankful to live in a very Free State and to do my part to keep it Free.

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@warped 

It is clearly unconstitutional, but we can't stop it at this point. Biden doesn't even involve Congress in his decisions. The D's are on board anyway and the R's don't matter. He rules by fiat and does the bidding of the NWO or whoever controls his teleprompter.

A new Congress maybe could stop it with the right leadership, but we're going to have to fight long and hard to keep our freedoms in every way, and especially anything to do with healthcare.

A tough road ahead.

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I have to agree with Elsa's comment that voting won't fix it. Voting would fix it if the government was actually in control, but it's not. It only has the illusion of being in control. Large corporations have monopolized so much that they own the government. Power is so concentrated to such few organizations that they hold our government in a choke hold. Tax them more? They'll off shore. Make them pay fair wages? They'll cut thousands of employees. 

We've let them consume entire industries. I work in tech, and over the last 30 years it has been crazy how many brands that used to be individually owned have been consolidated. This is bad for both the consumer and the employee. The employee no longer has the option to leave that company and find a job at a similar competitor with better working conditions and a higher salary because there are less competitors, and less openings for that role. There are less higher ranking professional positions as they have been consolidated as well. For example, before a merger two companies have their own accounting departments. After the merger it becomes one accounting department, there are layoffs, and the remainder of employees get even more work. 

When a merger happens, the companies involved will first make a case that the acquisition will cut costs and streamline production. Although it may cut costs for the consumer at first, they will end up paying more later. When you own the majority of an industry you name your price.  A good example of this would be the cellphone carriers. There used to be so many options to choose from, now we just have Verizon and AT&T, and are paying more than we ever had for cell service.

Back in the 80's there used to be anti-trust laws that would prevent this- think the split up of AT&T when it was only telecom. But riders have undermined a lot of the antitrust laws that are in place. We actually have too many laws now, which are less concrete and more open to interpretation. I believe this has put us in the position where we are now, that it is less about the laws that are in place, and more about who is making the judgement. Anything can be argued into a circle. 

Scary part about it is our media has also gone the same route. I was a communications major 10 years ago, and everything they warned us about for consolidation is happening right now- messaging is being consolidated. Many of the media companies in power now own either, giving the false perception of choice and free speech. They also own non-media companies and have financial interest in line with them. 

The news and politics have been playing games with our heads by focusing on areas that are further divisive and force alignment so you'll elect them and buy their products. It is so much easier and cheaper to just align with some social movement then actually create a quality product or improve the economy. You can say we align with BLM, raise your prices 10%, and still see an increase in consumers. It's emotional advertising.

Only way to fix it is to not buy from these guys and shop small before it is too late and no longer an option. I know the smaller businesses sometimes cost more, you may have to wait for your product a bit longer but we all have to do it. There has to be a movement to say no to convenience in order to level the economic playing field or we'll all end up slaves to Amazon and Apple.  

 

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@mi55ey90  ^^^^^^^^ every word of this!

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@mi55ey90 I believe it is much bigger than individual corporations. Investment firms such as Blackrock and Vanguard control not just tech companies, but housing, big pharma etc. The ironic thing is that these firms manage our 401k's. So, if you have a passively invested 401k, your money is actually being used to increase their profits and control and the destruction of sovereign nations. The key word being PASSIVE...that's what has gotten us here. 

I don't think we can give up voting. Compare states like Florida/Oklahoma to California/New York to see that voting CAN matter. But, NOTHING can be taken at face value.  

I believe things will get worse before they get better but that's what it takes to right a course sometimes. People are waking up...no matter what the media portrays.

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I have studied Venezuela, and Syria for examples of what we might encounter. I dont see the powers that be treating us any different.

The big exit appears the only way "out" of this mess.

So the only other option is to go through it. 

Grateful to have spent lots of time in Mexico and Central America.Training how to live in a third world country. 

When Reagan was elected I knew my children would never have the standard of living Their father and I have had. SAD 

I would rather be wrong.

 

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I agree Elsa. I have in the past come down on one side of the aisle quite vociferously. But I no longer can do it. As demoralizing as I find it, I can't unsee it.

"Both sides of the same coin". The trillions of stimulus has obscured the real economy. The only way out that I can see might be when the economy veil finally drops and the "real economy" is revealed. We are in an EVERYTHING bubble in my opinion. Housing, stocks, crypto (despite their recent fall-- they have more, much more to go), commodities like oil and food, even gold are inflated. Globalization, off shoring manufacturing, and changing into an Information economy has really messed us up. I see a future of not alot of money and little to buy if you have any. 

This might re-shuffle deck in some...I don't know. I don't wish it, however. Because it's going to be deadly for many and painful for most. I hope there's another honorable way.

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I just wanted to point out that I didn't mean to imply the recent stimulus is the sole source of the problem. It's what's obscuring and worsening a problem the exists because of economic policy that  only applys half of the Kenesyian economics. The plan to deficit spend and print money during down turns was supposed to be paid off when the economy rights itself. Both sides typically have ignored the second half of the equation and we were already not paying things off when the c thing hit.

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Remember the hanging Chads? I left the country over that election fraud. 

The blatent censorship trickery gaslighting theatre of psychopaths, AI/CGI, alien cyborgs appears to have taken over the neurotypicals brains. 

Election fraud is old old.  Look up “bleeding Kansas”. Being undereducated, I had to learn this from astrologer David Palmer!! 

 

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