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Saturday, January 31, 2015 - 8:11 pm
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I read this…and it left me with questions (below)

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The following passages are taken from the Diary of St. Faustina and they refer to her visions of Hell, Purgatory and Heaven…

“…I saw two roads. One was broad, covered with sand and flowers, full of joy, music and all sorts of pleasures. People walked along it, dancing and enjoying themselves. They reached the end without realizing it. And at the end of the road there was a horrible precipice; that is, the abyss of hell. The souls fell blindly into it; as they walked, so they fell. And their number was so great that it was impossible to count them.

And I saw the other road, or rather, a path, for it was narrow and strewn with thorns and rocks; and the people who walked along it had tears in their eyes, and all kinds of suffering befell them. Some fell down upon the rocks, but stood up immediately and went on.

At the end of the road there was a magnificent garden filled with all sorts of happiness and all these souls entered there. At the very first instant they forgot all their sufferings” (Diary 153).

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Do these descriptions seem familiar to you?  It seems to me that we have these experiences before we die…or at least some of us do.

I asked my husband about this. He feels his life is a steady grind. But I have experienced (to what I assume is a lessor extent), an immediate release from suffering. 

I also have seen numerous people go skipping over cliffs of many kinds.

Again, it’s to a lessor degree then what she describes, but it makes this accessible.

Do you agree?  Do you see this too, or experience it?

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Saturday, January 31, 2015 - 8:41 pm
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No.  Those sound like visions confirming her Catholic beliefs that you must suffer to get your reward.  Actually that’s probably true of all Christian religions.

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My husband…

“I don’t feel bliss and I don’t think I’m missing anything. People who swing high, tend to swing low. I consider it unstable.”

I laughed. “That’s not what I’m talking about. Let’s say you were being tortured. You’re in a torturing situation – you know a lot about this.”

“Yeah.”

“You don’t feel special good feelings…like a person is in jail. It’s awful But they can transcend their circumstances. It doesn’t bother them. Do you never feel this?”

“No. I feel, I am going to rip your fuckin’ head off, the first chance I get. And shit down your neck and stomp your fuckin’ guts out.”

“I see.”

This is why I am asking y’all about this. Because I have the transcendent thing, often. It has nothing to do with swinging one way or the other. But you see my problem. I got no one to discuss this with, lol. :)

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St Faustina wrote: And I saw the other road, or rather, a path, for it was narrow and strewn with thorns and rocks; and the people who walked along it had tears in their eyes, and all kinds of suffering befell them. Some fell down upon the rocks, but stood up immediately and went on.

This is the path you are on Elsa, if that is your question.  You fall down, but immediately get up and go on with a smile on your face since you are able to transcend.

This is the path I am on also, without as much transcendence. I lay in the road after falling down, maybe too long sometimes. The road/path outwardly is less appealing, but it is the one which leads to the most growth, and my soul purpose. Yes, it’s hard work, not a glamorous life path but the path most eternal for me to follow.

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I do see this- especially now. Things are so polarised, honestly! I’m seeing some horrible things happen to some. Then some amazingly good things happening to others- it’s really extreme.

I don’t know what I believe in the end. I’m on the thorny path for sure & I hope there is something like she describes at the end of it, I guess it all comes back down to faith doesn’t it?

I wonder more & more what the alternative is? If you don’t have any faith, ya got nothing- so….

It also implies that one way or another you’re going to get shafted… have to think about that some moreconfused Where’s the middle trail?

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St Faustina wrote: And I saw the other road, or rather, a path, for it was narrow and strewn with thorns and rocks; and the people who walked along it had tears in their eyes, and all kinds of suffering befell them. Some fell down upon the rocks, but stood up immediately and went on.

This is the path you are on Elsa, if that is your question.  You fall down, but immediately get up and go on with a smile on your face since you are able to transcend.

This is the path I am on also, without as much transcendence. I lay in the road after falling down, maybe too long sometimes. The road/path outwardly is less appealing, but it is the one which leads to the most growth, and my soul purpose. Yes, it’s hard work, not a glamorous life path but the path most eternal for me to follow.

i understand this alot. it would seem that those who appear so happy, they are accused of never ever feeling or going through deep suffering and traumatic events. But everyone is different in their personality and going through their sufferings. i’m Always grateful deep down.

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If I view the wide easy road as people that live beyond their means financially until they lose everything then I can see it in the real world.

The thing that bothers me about this is, lets say I’m in the group on the rough road with tears then I suddenly find myself in the beautiful garden. Will I be walking around in the beautiful garden and then step off a precipice into hell? I have Saturn square Jupiter so I’m a little dubious of the whole thing.

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Tam said
If I view the wide easy road as people that live beyond their means financially until they lose everything then I can see it in the real world.

The thing that bothers me about this is, lets say I’m in the group on the rough road with tears then I suddenly find myself in the beautiful garden. Will I be walking around in the beautiful garden and then step off a precipice into hell? I have Saturn square Jupiter so I’m a little dubious of the whole thing.

Tam, that was one of the examples I thought of as well. $

On the other, I have just had the experience of having all my worries and burdens lifted, as if they were never there or ever mattered.

But it’s a temporary state of course….as is the person who fall off the cliff due to overspending.

In this life, they can pick themselves up and go on.  But that we have previews like this, make the idea these situation exist after death, to seem not that big a stretch! 

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It’s a blessing that you can transcend Elsa even if it is only for a short time.

The phrase that I keep hearing inside my own head since Saturn moved into Sadge is “I wish I had let myself be happier”. That haunts me. It’s one of the top things that people said as they were dying. I’m trying to make changes to allow that very thing in my own life.

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Tam said
It’s a blessing that you can transcend Elsa even if it is only for a short time.

The phrase that I keep hearing inside my own head since Saturn moved into Sadge is “I wish I had let myself be happier”. That haunts me. It’s one of the top things that people said as they were dying. I’m trying to make changes to allow that very thing in my own life.

Wow that’s powerful, Tam. heartI can relate to that too.

The times I’ve felt the most intense bliss, was when I was falling in love.

But, I feel similar to Elsa’s husband… I’m weary of those highs now. What comes up sometimes comes crashing down. These days, I don’t strive for the highs, but for peace. Peace of mind, especially (Virgo)

Eta: and I’ll add, as a Christian, I don’t think I must struggle for peace, to achieve it. Peace is supposed to be an inheritance to a believer. That’s the Christianity I’ve been taught anyway.

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yeah, I don’t desire extremes anymore, path number one feels oddly like hypo mania to me if you get what I mean.  I much rather prefer a prickly path and the end of the road, surprised to be greeted by some peace, and a mind at ease.

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I think it has to do with mindfulness.  People who are unconscious and skip along, well… plunk.

Being a mindfull person can be painful sometimes.  It ain’t easy putting your needs last in line when it is necessary.  But the mindful do it.  They also help others, and feel pain when others are suffering.  Sometimes they get overwhelmed and want to give up… or get depressed over the human condition, then have to pick up and go on anyway. 

Maybe selfish people see death as hell, because the good times are gone.  Maybe mindful people see death as peace…. FINALLY.

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I see death as peace. Finally. A mindful,  benevolent god would not give someone like me hell twice. My life has been hell with moments of respite. Maybe this is why I fall in love so hard and deep. I assign my lover Mindful Benevolent God status. “Baby, it hurts being me. Take away the thorns and cover me with an infinity of rose petals. Now! Instant Heaven!” My Neptune is terribly afflicted. Saturn mocks Neptune from the top of my chart. “So ya want some Heaven, do ya? You are going to pay for it.”

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It seems cyclical to me… one begins in “hell” and ends in “heaven”, the other begins in “heaven” and ends in “hell”.  It’s as if no matter where you go, you will find suffering and you will find happiness. You can’t escape suffering and I think a lot of people try to. I think a person can walk either path and be separate from the extreme sadness or happiness. Zen!

add on: Suffering happens… people die, we die. I mean, it’s unavoidable… but we have (I think) the ability to be conscious of our walk through suffering. We can see it, we can feel it but we don’t have to react. I think a lot of this world, myself included, are sometimes acting on a reactive autopilot…

Gosh, this excerpt is like a beautiful, intricate… ink blot. 

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