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gogol
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Hey all, I'm back to posting here...sorry for not engaging for a long time in between. Saturn return year just passed, & I finally submitted my thesis & will hopefully get my degree soon...in short, I was tied up in lots of work.

Anyways, I've been thinking about just how much of my chart is tied up with neptune/ 12th house (a list: venus sq neptune, virgo rising & stellium, moon conjunct neptune, sun & merc (chart ruler) in 12th etc etc). It occurred to me that there's rarely anyone left in my life who really "sees" me, without me having to fill in the blanks. Maybe just my mother (& even she can be confused at times). Literally no one else comes to my mind. Mom's chart (if I got the birth time right) is heavily virgo/scorpio dominant.
So for all the neptuny people out there- I got a question for you. Is there anyone in your life who's able to see through you, readily? Like, without you having to lay out every detail? Is this even possible? What's their chart like?

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Elsa
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Welcome back, gogol. You've been missed!

 

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@elsa Thank you!

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la_sirena
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Omg, I was just thinking about this. I have Neptune squaring my Luninaries. No, no they don’t. Some people are able to—other Neptunians—people who can read between the lines, sometimes do. But there can also come a lot of projection with that, both ways. 

I think my intentions are often obscure to other people, but not to myself. I have the Sun and Moon conjunct, so in my mind, I’m simple. I know what I want. I have very little internal conflict. But for others, I’m obscure. What I want is unclear. How I feel is unclear. 

Not to me. I’m very intentional. Being a Neptunian, I don’t like to be obvious because it’s boring to me. And sometimes what I feel should be easy to read between the lines is not easy to others. 

People also think I don’t see them, but I do. I just pretend not to. People who I love think I don’t see them, that I don’t know their values, their weakness— what they’re really like—when I saw all along. I pretend not to because it doesn’t matter to me. I accept others for who they are. I will change myself to accommodate someone I love before I expect them to be something different. I’m very self sacrificing. This is the only way I can be with a Scorpio btw, as I have been for 14 years… as fixed water, they’re sensitive and retreating when people try to make them change. They are just as stubborn as their opposite sign Taurus. Still water. Anyway, I digress…

Very frustrating… wish it were different. Being an 8th house Neptunian can be lonely but as always, it ebbs and flows and we just have to roll with it. 

 

 

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It’s hard to describe anything to do with Neptune… I realize I said “it doesn’t matter to me” but it does matter to me, hence why I accommodate. Other peoples values and needs take on more importance than my own. I won’t let people know that I am accommodating them. This is another thing that I think is easy to see “between the lines”.

If I really care about someone, their flaws and weaknesses and vices are not invisible to me, but they are looked past and forgiven. Neptune is unconditional love. 

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gogol
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@la_sirena Yeah thanks for confirming my suspicion. It is scary how easily people can fill in thee blanks however they want to, if I just my mouth. Sometimes I wish I was a little less slippery!

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I have Sun & Moon conjunct, plus Mercury in the 12 house/ Virgo. I feel unseen or misunderstood so many times, especially by people at work or people who are not very close.

But there are close people in my life who see and understand the deep me. There are times when no words are needed and they just read or feel me. There are other times when I have to explain, but then they just add to that explanation and enrich it or make my burden lighter or offer me a new perspective.

I like to talk, I have a full 3rd house, and talking is very therapeutic to me. It's important to me to have people who understand me, with whom I can analyze and add to my perspective. I get a lot of inner clarity by talking. 

I have a Taurus Sun in my life with a stellium inside the 8 and 12 house, she sees most of me, and her way of speaking to me sooths parts of my soul. With her sometimes I talk, sometimes I don't have to. She understands and also feels me.

I also have a Scorpio Sun conjunct Pluto in my life who feels & reads me. I just look at him and know he feels it, no words are needed, he reads my soul through my eyes. I talk a lot with him as he's my SO, I sometimes have to explain, but again talking is therapeutic to me Smile but I think no one could/ can feel me & handle me at my intense points like he does. I have many fire planets, so when it gets intense inside, it really gets intense.

I also have a very good friend Capricorn Sun with several planets in Pisces and Scorpio, whose ability to go deep to the root of everything is so impressive. She points out so many times things I'm not aware of, I love her brilliant mind and perspective. 

I think it depends on the placements a lot and also on the inner work the person has done. I guess in order to see inside others, one has to see inside himself. I say this as I've noticed that the more I worked on myself, the more I opened my eyes to unseen parts of myself, the more I could see & feel the people close to me. The more inner understanding I gain about how I am, the more I could understand others. The closer I get to my soul, the closer I get to other souls. 

All these people apart from their astrology, are very close to me and they have been through a lot of pain in their life and done a lot of inner searches and work on themselves -  and they still do... as this work is always in progress.

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gogol
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@calliope thanks, this is indeed reassuring to read.

There's something about fixed dominant people (esp Taurus & Scorp) that I find anchoring; most planets of mine are mutable/ cardinal. Whatever happens, they'll just be there.

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For everyone reading this, https://www.elsaelsa.com/astrology/presenting-a-distortion-of-yourself/
This is what I had in my mind when I made the post.

"If you don't like my defined self, I'll give you my undefined self."
What a line!

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