Oh man was I wrong about breaking free lol! Holy shit, I couldnt have grasped the depth and breadth of it, when I first wrote this. Its truly ancient, archetypal and not even personal. I just have to laugh at how easy I thought it would be. I didnt know what kind of thread I was pulling on here.
Nowadays Id never ever say that I had something licked. It was arrogance but also naïveté. Ive been humbled for sure in regards to dealing with shame. I commend anyone who takes it on in a healing fashion. Its a big dragon, older even than fear.
We Pisces can feel deep shame. A deep feeling sign.
Hmm. Shame is a feeling that is often largely influenced by culture, so outer planet interactions with the moon seem the most likely aspects to be involved in feeling shame; though, since shame is a feeling, it seems that itself would fall under rulership of the moon.
Plain and not so simple...
From what I've read in the shame book, if I understood correctly, guilt & shame are not the same.
With guilt a person feels bad about something they did that was "wrong" (according to their own standards, betraying their own values)
You could make a mistake, perhaps not be very happy about it, feel guilty, but not necessarily feel deep shame.
With shame it is the person who is basically wrong/bad/flawed (I mean, they feel that way) - no matter what they do. It's a pervasive feeling & not always attributed to a specific cause.
But I think indeed feeling guilty can lead to shame.