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What in that chart could be an indicator of an abuse?


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Can you tell me that? I don't need any long interpretations, sometimes one look at the chart gives the answer. I don't think I can be objective with my own chart - that's why I ask, maybe for someone here it would be easier,more clear...

I will be grateful, if you could tell me what is an indicator of abuse in my chart. Please don't focus on my conjunction between Moon and Pluto, I just know that...I am curious if anything else can cause that problem.

 

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Look at Mars!

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@elsa Because it is in 11th house? Scared

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@thatgirl No. It's harshly aspecting your moon, Venus and Pluto.  It's a serious situation.

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@elsa Ah, so you see aspect between my Mars and Pluto?

Most sites don't read it in calculation...

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@thatgirl I see a fixed t-square. It all gets pulled in.

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@elsa With that Mars placement I get the impression that I must fight against the whole world (Mars in 11th) in my head (Moon), Venus - Mars is not better, but with that Pluto...Wow, it's like another dimension to this, broader and heavy.

 

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@elsa Thank you.

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I'll use my chart as an example:

I have 10th Taurus Moon, opposing 4th Scorpio Pluto & Mars. My Mars is also conjunct Scorpio Saturn. My father is stifling. Very violent and abusive. He hated his father, and I was not his biological son (something I discovered just last year). My mother abandoned us, and my step-mom was a hard addict, very abusive physically and mentally, a liar and thief too.

This created a DEEP need for a mother/female figure (& father figure), so I was susceptible to manipulative, narcissistic women (men too), and ran with undisciplined kids, looking for attention in all sorts of ways.

My Moon is also squaring my Mercury. This made it hard to express what I was feeling and happening internally. I learned to just lie or disassociate.

Seems some of us, especially me, have to live our stories before we can make sense of what the planets have already put into manifestation.

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I've noticed Pluto aspecting the IC also is prominent in charts of people who have been abused. Pluto squares mine and two other people I know also have Pluto squaring their IC and have suffered abusive and traumatic childhoods.

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@purplestargirl Thank you for the reply.

I have Moon conjunct Pluto in 4th house...I've never met a person who has had a normal home/relations with family with such an aspect. Most of these (if not all) Moon - Pluto aspects are troublesome - conjunctions, squares, oppositions...Even trines are not so positive, from what I've noticed. When I see in someone's chart Moon conjunct Pluto, I know what kind of problems such a person struggles with.

It's a red flag in natal chart.

Yes, I have extremely abusive childhood, not neccesarily because of my parents, but many people around me when I grow up - school, even districts where I lived...

I think such a conditions are more a Pluto in 4th issue and not really Moon - Pluto, but who knows...

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Pluto/Mars rules your IC, which might account for your difficult childhood.

My Pluto is in the 1st house squaring the IC and all my life I've been exposed to situations that have caused trauma and I'm also a survivor of psychological abuse, among other ones. I have Pluto/Mars as a chart ruler due to being a Scorpio ASC and have read that those issues are common among Plutonians, but I can't speak for all of us on that.

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