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So what do we call non aspected synastry? For example my moon is in Aquarius and the guy’s Mars is in Gemini but there’s no trine aspect there. Is it still a positive energy regardless?

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Yes, it's positive. Compatible elements. 

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@elsa thanks

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Hello Elsa,  I hope you are doing well Smile

This is my first post !🙂

I've read posts and articles on elsaelsa.com over time, and the depth of your knowledge is astounding.

My knowledge is intuitive, so I enjoy it when I see come by your posts; I get to (and have always) marvel at your ease of expression of your comprehension of astrology. It is enthralling.

Thank you for your knowledge and sharing.

Concerning your above reply, you've touched upon something that made it's so that I had to write;

If I understand your response, planets in trine elements/similar sign family that make no aspect yield a feeling of compatibility/understanding:

My long-suffering topics of concern in astrology.

Do your answer hold, in the following situations:

  • The signs are the same element, and —instead of no-aspects— make a square
  •  Receptive/Docile"positive planet on in conjunction sign make opposing (these are just theories... long contemplated grey area)
  • The planets are of opposing sign/ elements, but make no aspects, not even with 15° generosity-overkill orb?
  • Is that therefore where parallel & contra=/ comes... how valid are parallel and con/=?
  • Polarities "masculine wave"-"female wave" planets. (ie., Sun in Libra—in no aspects—Sun or Venus Capricorns). And is this true about Modalities, or is it too much a stretch?
  • What if planets are in the same in that same sign, house with no aspects, and to make it harder in the same house but differing sign no aspects. 
  • Same sign different house placement in the overlay.
  •  At 0° of a house first point. (ie., 5th house Taurus at 0.5° and moon in a house in overlay, at 0.27°. Wouldn't it just <wisely> read for 4th instead?

Oh, my! I got started I could not stop. I am very sorry to bombardio😅. Please there is no sense of urgency. You haven't any need to answer any of these...

Astrology has many grey areas... I've always found these questions, like many other areas, to be something that can only be defined by intuition & experience. These two things, you are.

I'd be honoured if you share your opinion.🙂

- Vía

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Thank you, Elsa🥰😊🙏🏽🙏🏽❤❤❤

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Hi, Via.  I am swamped but I wanted to welcome you. Perhaps someone else can weigh in some of this. Smile

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I was just reading my questions, I think I confused myself. Let me clarify, if I may. Situations such as theses:

Planets in the same element, and instead of no-aspects,  making a square:

  • Planets in opposing signs, making no aspects, not even within 15° orb generosity-overkill. Does it still feel like an opposition?

What if planets are in the same house & same signs, but make no aspects?

  • Or, not to make it harder, are in the same house; differing signs; no aspects 
  • For example; one's personal planets, Moon/Sun/Venus in Capricorn, and another's Saturn at 12° Aquarius, sharing a house overlay no aspect)

Same sign (Libra) different house placement no aspect Overlay 10th - 11th:

  • (ie., my ♎ Venus: 18° in my 10th, to my Boyfriend, ♎ Sun: 29° in my 11th) It's just an example, but that Venus feels nothing makes sense, right?

Lastly, say

  • one has a 5th house ♉:0.5°
  • houses another's persons ♉ Moon: 0.27°, in an overlay (my mom and me as an example)
  • Would it not be best to read it as the moon in 4th?

...I used to assume based on things like these. But as I've grown, I feel like I've learned a lot about there being bigger complexities in astrology.

...Like the influence of one's natal chart on their experiences of aspects in synastry, transits & over a progressed period. Or the roles that are played by parallels and contra parallels, versus the level of maturity, it may require to even perceive the effect of such...one would, really, have to know their chart; Is that right?

...Would it not be premature to not know the self (chart) before jumping into a relationship (synastry) with someone else, and risk breeding a horrible composite chart?

I am thankful for astrology. I have not  been one for relationships. And, yes, people are like personal transit... I  have come to find that those who can not survive without a relationship, in line as those who do not know how to cope the vibrations of transits...not without the help of someone else.

Oh, my thoughts🤦🏽‍♀️

I hope this is a little bit clearer. 🙂

Best regards,

 

- Vía

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@xa-via94 Hi there, I'll do my best to answer some of these questions as I understand them, however I think a lot of this comes down to one's personal practice and experience. For example, there are some astrologers who question of the validity of synastry as a whole, not to mention the wide, wide spectrum of disagreement amongst astrologers regarding even the fundamentals of astrology. Accurate and helpful readings are conducted in all sorts of ways. 

Q1: A lot of people think nothing of out-of-sign aspects, while others interpret them exactly the same as regular aspects. Personally, I don't think they are nothing but I don't think they are the same as a regular aspect. That planets in compatible/incompatible signs are in some way compatible/incompatible, regardless of aspect, makes a lot of sense to me, though I don't think they carry the same energy as a true aspect. An aspect is an energized relationship between two planets, a harmonic flow, a perpetual sticking point, or conflict. Planets that are related by sign, rather than aspect, are still incompatible or compatible energetically, but the aspect won't be a perpetual sticking point, nor will it be a point of pure flow. There's just not a lot of interest when planets simply aspect by sign. I think of it as an acquaintance who you like or don't like. It's not really a big deal, but it can be nice or not nice, depending. You can/will walk on by, much more easily than when the planets aspect each other by degree and sign.

I tend to think a lot of aspects by sign, even considering the above is true. One reason is because aspects are derived from the aspects that houses make to one another when using Whole Sign House system. For example, angular houses square each other. A square describes a conflict which is easy to see when comparing the angular houses. The self (1H) often conflicts with the expectations of the family (4H), which can conflict with ones personal relationships (7H), which can conflict with career and public image (10H), which in turn conflicts with the self (1H), and so on. These areas of life pull at each other. So planets that aspect by sign, rather than degree, still activate an aspect by house which is something to consider. This becomes more complicated depending on the house system you use, but I use all of them just to see things like this. 

Short answer: no, it will not feel exactly like an opposition by degree. 

Planets in compatible signs that form a square, to use your example, suggest some conflict of interest in spite of compatibility, or vice versa. Like trying on an item of clothing that's your size and your usual style and color, but there's something about it that doesn't suit you. 

Q2a: Some schools of astrology call this "co-presence." A close understanding and affinity between planets, versus a total unification of energy within a conjunction. 

Q2b: I would see it as simply an emphasis of matters indicated by that house, rather than a specific relationship between planets. 

Q2c: Co-presence applies in this case. In Whole Sign House system, signs are conflated with houses. Of note: I don't know many practicing astrologers (even traditional astrologers) who incorporate co-presence in their readings, but I think it's something worth noting when looking at a chart.

Q3: This question is more complicated as it depends on the house system one uses. Using WSH, the Moon would be placed in the 5th house. Using Equal houses and Placidus, the Moon would be placed in the 4th house. However, the cusp of the house is the most energetically potent part of the house, and some astrologers will interpret planets conjunct the following house cusp as being in the following house. After experimenting with all house systems, and a lot of observation, if I use a house system that differentiates between signs and houses, I do pay attention to how close a planet is to a cusp, and will often interpret it as in the next house, especially if its an angle, though I keep it's original placement in mind. But this is another reason why I like to look at a single chart using different house systems. People are complex and it seems that each house system has something to say about it. 

Q4: Would it not be premature to not know the self (chart) before jumping into a relationship (synastry) with someone else, and risk breeding a horrible composite chart?

Take astrology out of it, and that's just life. You could ask: Isn't it premature to jump into a relationship when I don't know myself, and the other person doesn't know who they are, either? Maybe, and you (may or may not) take the plunge anyway. That's just what happens. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. We get to know ourselves through the experiences we have over time. 

I really like the analogy of relationships being like personal transits, though I don't really see the connection between those who can't survive without a relationship and those who don't cope well with a transit without other people, as some transits (many, in fact), by nature, indicate the presence of or involvement of other people. How one copes with a transit seems like a tricky measurement, since how one copes or doesn't is shown by the transit, and various natal placements involved. Some will involve others, some won't. 

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