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Something that crossed my mind tonight when I read a post about 12th house synastry.

If someone has planets falling into another person's 12th house, the house person wouldn't see the planet person's true intentions correct? How does does that work when you have a stellium transiting the 12th house? Does the house person refuse to see the true intentions of the planet person until the stellium has passed?

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I have a stellium of personal planets in someone's 12 house, and I feel like they see through me pretty well but I don't see them clearly. I seem to be struggling more than they are.  However, they also have some planets in my own 12th. I wonder if its not actually the house person who can Neptune the planet person, not the other way around. 

The feeling of I'm not sure if I'm seeing what I want to see or what is really there is something I can't seem to be able to figure out. It's so easy to see what you want to see with Neptune influences and also have blind spots... I seriously hate this stuff as a Virgo.  But this is what I get for being under a heavy Neptune transit - I keep attracting Neptune/12 house contacts.

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There is this person I care about and they are trying to pursue a relationship with someone who is very toxic and essentially destroyed the essence of the person I care about. This person is not the authentic person I enjoyed spending time with or liked when I first met them. The toxic person is very manipulative and is sucking the life out of them.

The toxic person has their Sun, Venus, and Mercury in this person's 12th house. Those of us that care see the toxic person for what they are but the house person does not. There are currently four planets transiting the house person's 12th house so I wonder if that is contributing to the blind spots and making the planet person foggy so the house person can't actually see how toxic the planet person actually is. They also have Moon in the 12th natally so definitely makes everything murky.

I see the toxic person for what they are because of my Scorpio ASC. We see the true facade of people and you can't fool us. I think you agree with that being true because if I remember right, you have the same ASC.

Now I have my Moon and Venus in their 12th house as well but unlike the toxic person, I don't manipulate and I actually give a shit about the house person. They don't see the good regarding that so the planetary energy goes both ways. I know eventually the fog lifts and everything is clearly seen but it takes time. That's my thoughts on 12th house synastry.

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Interesting...

I have my stellium in the 12 of the person who is a Scorpio Sun.  He does seem to have a soft spot for me and forgives me easily (which is not supposed to be a Scorpio strength so... that's saying something). I wonder if the 12 house person can be too soft and yielding to the planets person, gives them too many chances. He  sees me pretty well I think because he is strong Scorpio and I agree, no one sees through people better than Scorpio, they see under the surface of everything! 

I have a friend who has 3 planets in my 12 house and I have to admit I am very forgiving of them. I initially met them at work and quite a few other people didn't like them, told me to be careful that I am not seeing their bad side. But personally I do feel like I could see their bad side but I am too forgiving of their bad side or something. I have compassion for them.  I wonder if I am being too trusting and maybe I am not seeing their bad side enough... I think this is a possibility as the house person for sure, to not see the bad side enough of the planet person or give them too much faith.  

I wonder if maybe the planet person also doesn't see the house person clearly, sometimes I think the planet person is just as confused by the house person if not more.  Do you think maybe you don't see the house person clearly? Do they confuse you sometimes?

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That actually does make sense with forgiving too easily. I've screwed up a lot and the house did forgive me a bit until I went too far and they ended the friendship. I just told them the truth and they didn't want to hear it and accused me of lying.

I do think the house person is hiding something or there is something hidden about the way they actually feel. That's about it though.

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I think a lot depends on the intentions of the planet person and if they are bad intentioned they can really stab the person in the back and cause their undoing. I think all 12 house synastry you have to be soo careful who you are dealing with. I've read 12 house placements manifest as either this person is your hidden enemy, or your guardian angel.

Yes definitely when your going through 12 house or Neptune transits it becomes even more difficult to see clearly who is good or bad for you 🙁 

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There's something not right for sure. The planet person accused the house person of a whole bunch of things that weren't true, which ultimately caused the house person to become depressed and suicidal. Both my friend and I had to tell the planet person to stop emotionally hurting the house person. The house person keeps saying it's a situation we don't understand and all we understand is that the planet person needs therapy and not the house person saving them from their situation. It's not their job. I really do hope veil lifts and the house person actually sees the planet person for what they are.

The house person is going through a 1st house Neptune transit so maybe that has something to do with it.

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Wow this makes me wonder something because people who've had planets in my 12 house have also believed some really weird things about me that were not true.... they seemed to have a very skewed perception of me. To the point where it was almost bizarre how or why they would think that about me or where they even got that from. They projected the weirdest stuff and I could go from Saint to Sinner in their eyes very easily.

I think the planets person especially can imagine some very weird things about the house person that isn't true... 

This also happened with the person where I have my planets in their 12 house. I was convinced something was true about them and that they were hiding something from me but they kept insisting it's not true at all ....

Seems like frome planet side there can be a real lack of trust and also seeing or projecting stuff that's not true. Whereas the house person almost trusts a little too much to the point of potentially ignoring red flags.

Thanks for sharing your experiences with this. Even though I see they were difficult ones.

I really think 12 house contacts are some of the hardest personally. I imagine overall it's hard to sustain  with so much potential for delusion.

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I think being true to yourself helps with the delusion and with 12th house synastry. I'm aiming to become more real and authentic and to heal from my past issues.

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I don’t think a transit would necessarily work that way, it would depend on which planets of course and aspects etc.

I do think that 12th house synastry can be like you describe. I’m actually dealing with someone right now who’s Sun, Moon and Neptune fall in my 12th. It’s really strange for sure. There’s like a general feeling of disorientation and being smothered, but also a type of beauty. I never know wtf is going on lol. I don’t think they do either. They have told me their interpretation of my actions and I’m always surprised at how they perceive me  

Actually me and this person have been going around and around for ten years and just as I’m writing this, I’ve decided that releasing the need to figure it out would probably be a positive step. 

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It's weird how you can feel close to this person on a soul level, almost to the point of feeling smothered, and yet still have those wtf moments where their perceptions confuse the heck out of you. I wonder if this person will always remain a mystery in some ways.... Maybe that's what makes it  compelling, they can still manage to surprise you after years. 

Is the planet person really seeing the shadow hidden side of this house person, or are they projecting their own fears or fantasies though. 

This thread made me remember when I accused the house person of certain things and he was very confused by it... Or when I thought I heard him say something that he swears he never said and that I misheard him. And I just wondered if Im being gaslighted or are my perceptions really that off? But then I remembered that people who had planets in my 12 had some very skewed perceptions of me too. One was convinced I was hiding a secret wild side and was a drug user.  Another thought I was super pious and innocent. It made them uncomfortable not being able to "know me" but it also drove this almost obsession with trying to figure me out and get to the bottom of it. And I was just sitting there thinking... Dude it's not that complicated. I am telling you who I am, you're just refusing to believe it and convinced I'm hiding something. ?‍♀️?‍♀️

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Is the planet person really seeing the shadow hidden side of this house person, or are they projecting their own fears or fantasies though.

Well, I’ll give an example of me as the house person. The planet person would imply to me that I didn’t think he was “good enough for me”. I didn’t understand where he got that from as he was often the one that run away (not always but most of the time). But I really looked at my feelings and had to wonder if it was true, was I lying to myself etc. The thing is, it might be a projection but that doesn’t mean it’s untrue. So I looked and investigated and at this point I don’t think I feel that he is not good enough for me, at all. He doesn’t feel good enough, and that makes him not good enough but I am not the source. It’s self fulfilling. It’s that “undoing” energy of the 12th. I’ve done things too that were destructive but I think that’s a pretty clear example of how it works. 

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