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Libra Noir
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This is why I believe in keeping secrets from some people. The secrets are sacred to me but can be poisonous to the “other” depending on who they actually are. They can also be medicine to the “other” depending on who they actually are. I do think that there is a resonance thing in regards to this. People I think probably do know what’s good for them in a way. They will deny that energy that they either don’t need or aren’t ready for. The wrong medicine can hurt people. That’s why I say bye. Not because they aren’t worth my time but because I obviously don’t have what they need. They aren’t the person I need to be working with in this space and time. I’ve learned this the hard way. I’ve also learned that yin is the way to go. Those who are on my wavelength or want to be on my wavelength show up. And of course they ALWAYS offer me medicine too. 

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@libra-noir I like the language you use: sacred secrets and medicine. It may not be what you are referring to, but it made me think of the positive use of Pluto energy.

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@sophiab Good point about Pluto. I can see that too now that you mention it.

Pluto is the highest planet in my chart and conjunct my Sun so it’s an energy that I will always be learning to deal with (I’ve dona a LOT of work with Pluto).

Being in Libra it’s obviously focused on working with the “other”. The alchemical process that Pluto is concerned with seems to occur in relationship there (with fulfillment in Scorpio). 

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"The wrong medicine can hurt people. That’s why I say bye. Not because they aren’t worth my time but because I obviously don’t have what they need. They aren’t the person I need to be working with in this space and time. I’ve learned this the hard way. I’ve also learned that yin is the way to go."

Well said! And it applies to other circumstances too, where getting out (or not even getting in) is the best choice, when you have choice.

As the monkey said to the elephant : "if it don't fit... ... ...."

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@satsun I just watched this show Bloodline and one of the characters said that the secret to life was knowing when to leave. I think nine times out of ten (maybe even all the time) leaving or not offering energy or ignoring or saying no thank you or not engaging is an option. I mean- why struggle with people? (Maybe the need to struggle with others is sometimes a projection of an inner struggle trying to resolve itself? That’s kind of been my experience with my own internal anxieties at least until I reach the acceptance stage of the grieving process.)

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@libra-noir 

I agree with "the secret to life is knowing when to leave", which can also include leaving (going away, turning your back, not replying etc.) very soon, like : a few minutes after meeting a crazy or harmful person! (Mars in Libra here, I flee - if I can)

But sometimes a person doesn't realize what they're getting into & this can go on for a long time. (Me, likewise)

Not always easy or feasible to judge a person or situation at first glance, or even after a small while. And not always easy to get out, even after years of putting up with negative relationships.

I've done both. Not only do do I have Mars in Libra (in 12th), but also the big messer-upper : Venus square Neptune. Oh well...

Perhaps it was the need to resolve something. But if so, I don't know exactly what (except a lesson to keep away from freaky people? I'm more cautious now I hope). But I sure paid the price!

P.S. I always like your comments. It seems that you have a lot of wisdom!

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Yup. I have Saturn-Neptune.  I told them the unbelievable, and some believed me, but some seemed to be in denial and kept asking me about it, as if it could be salvaged in some way. I told them repeatedly how bad it was, they thought nothing of it until I spelled it out with a neon sign, they even saw it with their own eyes, and when it was proven without a doubt/became undeniable, they believed me. They gave me a stupid, arrogant person who lied about their experience, never took responsibility, and projected blame. I could tell from day 1 that they had no experience, and they were a huge (hidden) burden the whole time. And now it makes sense why the person demanded that I train them and blamed me for their inability because they lied and had no clue what they were doing. They were so happy about this person and thought they were helping me when this person was so abysmally bad it was a nightmare. Now I'm happy because they listened and hired someone who has the skills and personality this time. But it seems that since we were all traumatized by the first person, we all learned and are skeptical of the new person's skills. I've evaluated and tested them and told them that this one is good because they're experienced, smart, responsible, and humble, but they're holding their judgement until they've proven themselves. They've passed all my tests with flying colors. This person has been such a huge help from day one whereas the other person was such a huge burden from day one. They're supposed to be a help but the first one definitely was not and never was, and I didn't know this new person could be such a huge help until I was able to actually offload some work on them. It's true that you can tell early on whether they're going to work out or not.

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@teresina this sounds like a huge ordeal. Just awful.

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@teresina 

Horrible experience! I'm glad it turned out well.

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I've got Saturn sq. Neptune but I can't say I've experienced this. It's possible I've been oblivious to it but I don't think so. In fact, it's the other way around for me - sometimes I have trouble believing others' perceptions, or some facet of reality. Sometimes I can only see what I believe and not what's really true, and when I finally do, it seems so silly that I didn't see it before.

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We're still having a conversation and I realized something astounding.

There are people out there who are COMMITTED to misunderstanding me.

You too, maybe!

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@elsa That's got to be frustrating to deal with. It's one thing if it's a fluke, another if it's intentional.

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@dolce well, it's subconscious, I think.  No one wants to be wrong, also if they admit they're wrong (to themselves), they would have to make a giant apology to me, which is something people hate as well. Consequently, the kick the can down the road.

That right there is the way our society handles everything. It's really stupid.

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@elsa stupid is a very good word for it, I agree. Such a waste!

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@elsa So happy you wrote about your experience. Not to be believed; I get that a lot. But until now I could not name it. 

When still in school a teacher made the other kids laugh at me because I kept insisting not all women had voting rights in Europe. Years later I had the newspaper article to match: women in a certain area of Switzerland were finally allowed to vote as well. I was saying:'' YES, I knew it!'' the whole day through.  

I told my colleagues sugar is more addictive then coke, but I was not to be believed. I was ridiculed. Crazy Gemster, right. Years later one of them admitted I was right. I said I was not happy with her finally believing me. She should have believed me right away or, if she didn't, at least not ridicule me. 

I could name numerous other examples wherein I am laughed at or kicked down the road as a can.

Now we have the situation that our world leaders are corrupt. But people think I am the one misleading them. I tend to keep my company with a small group of people who feel the same way, as not to upset myself or others too much. Because when pressed on the subject I reveal my opinion in a shocking way, as to really drive the message home: there is no need for them to try to overrule me. I believe what I believe and that should be okay. But this gets tiresome of course, even for me.   

I like to believe people who have not had a consistent Saturn figure in their life (aka the stressful aspect with Neptune) have an easier time coming to terms with the fact that authorities can be deceitful.  

I have Neptune in the 6th as the apex of a yod with Mercury in the 12th and Saturn in the 11th house. 

A second yod has Neptune and Uranus quincunx apex Saturn.  

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I like to believe people who have not had a consistent Saturn figure in their life (aka the stressful aspect with Neptune) have an easier time coming to terms with the fact that authorities can be deceitful.  

That's a good theory.  Thanks for posting that.

It's sounds correct and the opposite may also be correct. If you've spent time with people who are honest, you're more likely to recognize the truth when you hear it.

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@elsa Thank you, Elsa. That seems to be the case the older I get.

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