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Plutolover
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My son has his Aqua Sun conjunct Neptune, conjunct his MC all in his 8th house, Equal. I've read a lot on this topic here on the blog (thanks, Elsa!) and yes, he is viewed as saint, sinner and more often, scapegoat.

My question is, does anybody here have this natally? Did you find a way to work it to your advantage? He's a 19 year old kid in his first job, and after months of being the 'poster boy', he is now being harassed, told he is the worst employee they have ever had and he's upsetting everyone.

My guess is that all this in his 8th is very unsettling for some, he is showing them their own flaws whilst being an easy target. He is just starting to show an interest in Astrology and I would really like to help him navigate this area of his chart positively! Thanks!

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Here's the tag for people who might arrive here - Neptune Midheaven.

As for the upside, you eventually comprehend your situation and learn to not invest or be impacted by the public imagination as it relates to you.  Because this a big problem. You easily merge with whatever.  

I'll be candid. At this point in my life, I see it in a "don't argue with drunks" type way. 

I also figure the people may be right about me but who cares?  It's Piscean. In 100 years none of this matters anyway.

There is sacrifice involved.  With this and my 8th house - I am going to tell you the plain fact - I think my primary value to people is to be the garbage pail; just the shadow figure.  You quit arguing after awhile and just take it on or appear to.

I mean you take it on but you don't internalize it.  That's what this means: "learn to not invest or be impacted by the public imagination as it relates to you."

You've got to develop the ability to ignore. Everywhere you go, you're a mystery so people make things up. You can't straighten anything out, ever.  It's like getting rid of fog... for how long?  Once you understand this, life is a lot easier.

He should try to find people who accept him. There aren't many, especially in this era where people tag and categorize. It's all image; dumbed down and simple.

Thanks for this thread. 🙂

 

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Plutolover
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@elsa you're welcome! And thank you for condensing this for him. I shall show him when he's back from work!

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I l've got this natally and it is working despite 6 degrees orb. People dont see me as i am, i am somehow a great target for projections, idealisations, devaluations, etc. To my surprise as my Sun is opposing my MC, media like me, I present well when filmed.

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@alice sounds typical and yes. 6 degrees will operate!

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If he is 19 - he is at or near his first Nodal return. With a Taurus North Node he is now challenged to define values that will help him establish personal power and reality. Bringing solar awareness to the NN becomes an opportunity to separate himself from the projections.

I am curious  - How does a chart show a MC/ Midheaven in the 8 th house?

 

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@don I missed that! His North Node is at 6 Gem, so I can help prepare him for that.

I'm using the Equal house system on Astrodienst. There is another Equal house option with Midheaven in brackets that puts the MC in the tenth, but I don't know if that's a more accurate one, it changes most of his chart.

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Elsa in totally on target. 

RE: As for the upside, you eventually comprehend your situation and learn to not invest or be impacted by the public imagination as it relates to you.

This is a hard lesson to learn and even harder to put into practice.  In the career arena, corporate America will just have you for breakfast, lunch and dinner.  Chew you up and spit you right back out.  They want to own your soul.

It took me years and years to find a way to rise above the pettiness, and the fear of so many managers.  I found a way to beat them at their own game.  I took my natural gift of gab and went into sales.  Turned out to be very lucrative.  The more money I brought into the company, the bigger the pay and commission checks.  The more money and sales I brought in, the more I could get away with.  After all, I was helping them keep their job and healthy paychecks.

Your boy needs to find that one area where he can just shine.  Where he is the superstar.  Where he can be the big fish in a little pond.  It's out there.  It may be hard to find, it may take going through a number of jobs.  One huge bonus your son has  --  that Aquarius Sun.  We have lived through the search and destroy mission of Pluto in Cap.  Saturn has already been cleaning house in Aquarius.  When Pluto fully hits Aquarius and brings his own form of magic, The open mindedness of Aquarius, the fully explore what can benefit mankind, and the almost twenty years of Pluto through Aquarius, your boy should come into his own. 

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@sun-mar thank you for your considered advice ❤️ These words will lift him up, as it did me 🙂

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Very useful.  I've been worried about this one.  Neptune will conjunct my MC in about 3 years.

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As unpleasant as it is, he's lucky to learn so early in adult life to never trust corporate culture.  Sun-mar nailed it -- he can hone his best skills to become successful and indispensable, or even autonomous for freedom from the corporate cage altogether.

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